this is doable

Really?
- can't see P Manning helping us to resolve our franchise QB issue. Either he's somehow (but doubtful) healthy enough to play for a few years, in which case Tannehill rots on the bench or you overpay for him and he takes up a very valuable roster spot because he can't get healthy, or he breaks down by the end of the season (most likely scenario).
- Paul Soliai? yes, agreed. Vernon Carey? really, did you watch last season? at all?

I can agree that we're a franchise QB + few other pieces away, but I don't want a short-term fix. I want the long-term fix.

 

I'll pass #6 along to Mr. Philbin. I'm not sure if he's aware that they should take that course of action.

 

I'm not sure you can really overpay a rookie QB with the new CBA ...at least not if you're saying "This is my guy 2-3 years from now".

 

my comment was meant to say "overpay for Manning"

and 23rd, to your point, I don't believe Manning at 80% is as effective as you believe. I think of Marino in his last season. let's say he was in the same ballpark, 70-80% effective. Is that really the investment we want to make? I don't believe so. Make the damn commitment to developing a QB, whether it's Flynn, Moore, Tannehill or Weeden (hopefully not RGIII).

 

Lets turn off the salary cap and we can spend as much as we want!!

 

If Manning is signed there's no way Miami drafts Tannehill in the first. Right or wrong, signing Manning would mean Miami is all in for a Super Bowl run. That being said, if Manning is signed, Riley Reif should just plan on being a Miami Dolphin. If Manning is signed then I like the idea of Osweiler being drafted in the third round to learn under Manning.

As for Solia, he's gone.

 

1) I don't see Manning having a great deal of interest in the Dolphins QB position. If he does play next year, I think it is more likely he will sign with the Jets, Cardinals, or Redskins. Tannehill is nothing but another Henne in the making. I don't see him ever being a productive starter in the NFL. In fact if the Dolphins don't sign Flynn, I think the starting QB will once again be Matt Moore next season and the Dolphins will still be looking for their future franchise QB when the draft rolls around in 2013.
2) I don't see either Carey or Soliai returning next season. Since the Dolphins appear to be leaning more toward the 4-3 going into next season, I just don't see them being willing to spend the millions Soliai will get in free agency. The only way I see Carey returning is if he is willing to take a big cut in pay. Otherwise he will be playing for another team in the NFL next season.
3)There will be competition on the line merely because you have a brand new coaching staff and they will want to see who the best offensive linemen on the team are. I happen to think that the Dolphins are going to draft an offensive lineman in the first round again this year. This offensive lineman will be the projected right guard or right tackle going into the season.
4) It would not surprise me in the least if Messam doesn't even make the team.
5) I don't see the Dolphins drafting Tannehill at all.
6) With one of the largest coaching staffs in the entire NFL, (21 coaches), hopefully they have hired a few who can actually develop players.

I hope I am wrong but I just don't see the QB issue being resolved this off season. The six wins the Dolphins recorded last season are going to come back next bite them in the butt, when it comes to getting a franchise QB this year.

 

1. Sign Flynn, Draft Reiff in Round 1 and if Tannehill there in round 2 take him, if not take Weeden or Osweiler.

2. Let Carey and Soliai walk.

3. Develop Clay as FB & TE

4. Sign Robert Mathis

 

Manning may have to have a fifth procedure. That in no way solves the QB problem.
Also I have seen a few mocks with Reiff going to the Dolphins. A RT in the top ten really? Great player or not isn't that a positional reach?

 

Gotchya - re read it and saw that implication. Was a bit ambiguous either way.

I'm with you though. I'd rather stay away from Manning at 80% and keep eyes on the future. Let the coaching staff hash out Moore/Flynn or whatever, and if they think Tannehill is a guy with enough upside - get him.

The idea of putting the bank on Manning and making a run for the next couple years worries me. I'm okay with Tannehill sitting if the staff thinks he can be their guy in a few years - given all circumstances.

 

I'd like your opinion on if wide receiver is a need
having our #2 wide receiver averaging 2 receptions a game
and 1 td this past year going 15 straight games without a td

1 td in the past 26 games doesn't lend itself well for a #2 widereceiver

Is wide receiver a need???

 

I certainly have no problem with you disagreeing with me. This is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion. I just don't see that Manning is the answer because of his many neck prblems over the last year and a half. I actually think he should retire but if he does decide play, I just don't see him signing with the Dolphins.

As far as Flynn goes. I have no idea if he will be an effective starter or not. I certainly am not advocating that the Dolphins sign him. I will leave that up to Philbin and his assessment of whether or not he thinks Flynn is the answer or not.

I just feel that there are only two franchise QB's available through the draft or free agency, assuming Manning can't play at the level he once did. Those two QB's are Luck and RG3. I don't see any other QB in the draft which I feel will be an effective long term starter in the NFL. I certainly have stated numerous times on this forum that I think Tannehill and Weeden will be nothing but mediocre starters or backups. A lot of the fans of both these players disagree with me. That's okay with me, because I don't believe either of them are first round quality players.

I like Clay but as I stated, I won't be surprised if Messam doesn't make the team. In fact the player I would love to see the Dolphins draft, if he is available when the Dolphins are on the clock is Trent Richardson. I happen to think that he is the third best player in the entire draft, behind only Luck and RG3. Unfortunately Ireland is the person making the draft decisions and that is why I expect the Dolphins to draft another offensive lineman with their pick in the first round.

I feel that the greatest need on the Dolphins is a QB. Unfortunately I don't think that the Dolphins will make the move up to try and get RG3. So without Manning and if Flynn is not the answer, I just see Matt Moore as the starting QB in 2012 and Dolphin fans having this same discussion about needing a franchise QB a year from now. I hope I am wrong.

 

I would too, but somehow I doubt that would be enough. to be honest, I'd rather spend the whole draft, seems cheaper than two 1's and two 2's as some have suggested as the price tag. trade the draft for Luck, sign a RT, pass-rusher and safety in FA and I'll be in cloud 9. Not gonna happen though, so it's moot.

 

Here's where I see a problem in this course of action....

First, Manning is NOT a WCO QB...and with a guy of his caliber, Philbin/Sherman would have to adjust their 'preferred' offense to suit Manning. Assuming Manning is released March 8th and he signs with us, will he be ready to start the offseason conditioning and preparing the offense to his liking ?? If not, how long do they wait to 'install' this jerry-rigged offense ?? How comfortable will they be in changing what they like to do ??

Second, now you say draft Tannehill (if he's even available to us, since removing Manning from the list of available QBs, someone ahead of us (Wash??) or behind us (Seattle) will still be looking for a QB...The likelihood of still being able to get Tannehill is not very good...

Third, you've adjusted your offense to suit Manning but this offense certainly does not fit MMoore's strengths nor does it fit Tannehill's strengths. Right off the bat, you've had to change 3 QBs comfort zone by adjusting the offense. Tannehill's first year (or more, if Manning lasts that long) is wasted, even it all you wanted to do was groom him the first year...

Fourth, re-signing Soliai isn't going to be easy. For us, with this new defense, he is basically going to have to be 'retrained' as a DT in the 4-3. Let's say he's smart enough to pick things up quickly, however, if I'm Soliai, I know as a 3-4 NT, especially one that has shown he can play the position and is poised to improve, I know that I can make a lot more money than what Miami is going to want to pay. A true 3-4 NT is an elite position...Soliai is just good enough to basically get whatever he wants... Placing the franchise tag on him again will cost us about $15M in cap space...is he worth that to us ??

Fifth, does Carey have anything left ?? He looked pretty spent last season. It's not the worst idea, but I don't know that he's got much left in the tank...

Messam - Perhaps that is plan for him, given this regime and how they value TEs, but can we really assume that will work out for this year ??

Sorry, 23rd...I just don't see this as a very smart plan for what we have as coaches and players..

I think that we will get a much clearer picture about things once we get to FA (or at least March 8th, since Manning will be released then).

 

Totally agree with #1 in signing Flynn...except don't need to spend 2nd round pick on QB, particularly a 29 year old QB. M. Moore will do just fine as backup. Spend 2nd round pick on BPA. Too many holes to spend 2nd round pick on a 3rd string QB.

 

I have absolutely no faith that Peyton Manning's arm strength is going to return as a result of the nerve damage in his neck. When you combine that with the fact that if you sign Manning, you are not going to be taking a quarterback in the first round. See, Peyton is in denial right now, IMO. He's like most athletes. The athlete is the last one to realize that he's done. Peyton is going to attempt to play. I just don't think his arm strength will return enough for him to play effectively. I keep seeing all these comments that Peyton at 75% is better than most quarterbacks in the NFL. Peyton at 75% is a severely limited quarterback that limits your passing offense, and Peyton's mind isn't going to be convinced that he's 75%. Therefore, I think you will see Peyton attempt and continue to attempt throws he can no longer make due to the diminished strength of his arm. With all that said, the main reason Peyton wants out of Indianapolis at this time is because he does not want them to take Andrew Luck in the first round. He would much rather Indy trade the pick for a bounty of picks that will get players that will help them win immediately. Therefore, when he goes to another team, he's going to want that team to do the same thing. In fact, I would be willing to bet that if it ever became public, which it will not, discussions about what the team plans on doing with their first round pick will be had between Manning and his suitors. Before Peyton signs, he is going to want to make sure that the team puts the talent around him to commit to winning now.

So, if Miami waits Peyton out and signs him, they are not only taking a risk on his health, they are in fact mortaging their future at this position to get his name value. IMO, that is a tremendous mistake, and it is one that could set this franchise back a few more years. If Miami is intent on signing Peyton, I'd bet dollars to donuts that Miami will very likely draft someone that can protect him high in this draft.

If Miami signs Peyton, I doubt you will see them draft a quarterback in the first three rounds.

 

Holy shet. I agree with you, 23rd.

 

There's more to it than just 'coachin' em up' unfortunately...they have to acquire more starting talent, figure the cap, address backups, adjust the schemes and then we can start to coach em up... We're a long way from that point...

 

This view that 80% of Manning is ridiculous imo...80% arm strength results in many picks and little TDs. Marino tried that against Dallas back in 99 and 0 TD 5 picks. If Manning is only 80% he should just retire.

 

I think the points that KB made are very valid in this type of injury and recovery as such. Manning isn't going to stop thinking like he's 100% healthy. He's going to assume he can make all the needed throws. 80% of what Manning used to be is not good enough in the NFL. If that were the case, Marino and Elway's minds are just as sharp as they ever were. Their physical prowess is what is missing. The difference, naturally isn't his mind and football prowess, it's his physical ability to make the connection between what he thinks and sees on the field versus what his arm and shoulder will allow him to do...

There is a very good chance that he will never be the same as he was prior to the injury. You can point to Wienke and say "Well, he recovered from it!" but he was 24 when he went thru this and not 36. He also never had the ability that Manning had...ever... There is a chance that the strength is going to come back and he'll be able to resume his career, how much that chance is the question that is unanswered and ONLY time will tell. How long do we wait for him ? How much will his physical prowess come back to ?? How long will that take ?? Do we have the time to wait on him ??

If we choose to wait on him to recover longer what will that do to Philbin and his staff's ability to get the team ready ??

The next part of your theory is whether Tannehill will still be available to us at 8/9 ?? If there are more teams that need QBs than QBs available and we take one of those QBs in Manning, will Tannnehill, under that scenario last until we pick ? My guess is no and likely whoever the pundits think is next after Tannehill (be that Weeden, Foles, Osweiller, etc)

It's a nice, neat plan and if we were the only team out there, I'd say it's a great plan...but we aren't the only team in this situation and every move we've thought of, so has Wash, Seattle, Cleveland, Indy, jests, Arizona, etc...

 

A lot less actually, Mr 23rd. Roughly 4 year/$12 million based on what Locker signed for last year at the #8 pick.

 

You can repeat it all you want but it's not true. Manning at 80% is NOT an elite QB.
Manning has had the advantage of playing in a similar, comfortable system his whole career. So, you think him moving to a completely different system at 80% capacity is going to result in an elite QB? Better than average is more like it. Which, sadly, is better thn anything we have had in almost 20 years

 

Won't happen but Mike Wallace would complete that group.

 

What makes you think Manning will support Miami drafting Ryan Tannehill if he signs in Miami when the reason he wants out of Indy is because they are taking Andrew Luck?

 

Keith I bet Peyton resigns with Indy.

 

Because Tannehill would be the project guy behind Manning.


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