Dolphns to upgrade to more athletic offensive linemen

Mike Pouncey was 9th of 35 centers, as a run blocker. 31st of 35 as a pass blocker, and tied for 14th as a screen blocker. He was 28th of 35 for penalties. Lower the ranking is worse. Over, he was 21st Center of the 35 graded.
One thing they don't measure, is shotgun snaps, and from what I could see, Pouncey is a mediocre shotgun snapper and that alone would be reason enough to move him to guard for me.

 

Murtha does not have the power/ strength or mean streak to play guard. He would be pushed around like a shopping cart at the point of attack. Been watching Nebraska football for a looooong time. Murtha , at best, was mediocre to poor and as I said, the guy has never finished a season without being injured, never.

 

I rarely watch Florida play but from all I have read and heard he was not great at shotgun snaps there either. He certainly is several notches down the totem pole from his brothers abilitiies.

 

If we pick up wells we have to put him at center and move pouncey to LG richie to RG and Jerry at RT I wouldn't mind that at all and not have to dump another 1st into online like we always do

 

Not true....made it through all 14 games of his RSo season.....but durability is a concern

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i think we definitely should move pouncey to LG to have that long/pouncey combo it would be sick

 

He played in 9 games and he was on the PAT and field goal unit. He did start three games but only because of injury and was horrible. Was there for most of the games. His sophomore year he played in most of the games but left a lot of them due to injury and finished MAYBE about 4 full games that season

 

I would be interested to see where he stood after game 8 and then game 16

 

We get it, you feel everything Ireland has done and will do is wrong. Could you stop bludgeoning us with it in every thread?

 

Overall he was ranked higher after the first 8 games. His grade at that point was +2.2. His grade for the final 8 games was -3.3. I can't tell you where he ranked at that point though.

His worst individual games were week 17, 7, 12, 14, and 8. His best games were week 2, 15, 4, and 3. His worst run blocking games were week 7, 17, 6 and 12. His best run blocking games were week 2, 1, 13, 15, 4, and 16. Worst pass blocking games were week 8, 17, 1 and 12. Best pass blocking games were week 3, 9, 11, 15, and 16.

Overall he was a better run blocker, than pass blocker, though also more up and down as a run blocker, based on the extremes of his grades from best to worst. Maurkice was the the better pass blocker, but Mike was the better run blocker.

Hope that helps.

 

Thanks Mr. C.

I thought he looked pretty good. But those numbers prove me wrong.

 

As a rookie. That might show some impatient understanding. Why move him?

 

As a rookie without an actual offseason

 

By week 17 of his rookie season he'd been a center doing shotgun snaps for 2 full seasons in a row. Still, not much improvement in his shotgun snaps. We saw many plays where we wondered why Miami isn't in the gun. It indicated to me that even toward the end of the season, the coaches didn't trust his shotgun snaps. How many years do we give him to get good at this, the most basic requirement, of a center?

 

How could it also not be that they didn't trust Matt Moore catching his shotgun snaps. As Matt Moore did drop a few that was right in his hands.

 

I never saw Moore drop a shotgun snap that was within the framework of his body. Maybe he did, I just don't recall them. The ones I do remember he couldn't handle, like the one that ended up being recovered around the 5 by Dallas, were off line. He got his hands on them but didn't control them. Sure, you could say Moore should have caught that snap, but in the NFL centers should be able to consistently keep the snaps accurate.
Like watching Baylor, and Philip Blake. The snaps seemed to always hit RG3 right in line with his abdomen. I don't think that is too much to ask from a center.
IMO, and you'll probably disagree, Pouncey could be an all pro guard. But as a center, the best he'll be is a borderline pro bowl center, like 2nd or 3rd alternate.

 

I think he could be an all-pro guard. I also think his long snaps would have been caught by most quarterbacks without a problem. I have seen Jeff Saturday give Manning much worse snaps and people consider him pretty good.

 

Every Center can have an off line shotgun snap at times. They just to me seemed to be more prevalent with Pouncey than most other Centers. Again, that could be just my perception. After all, you seem pretty pleased with the quality of his shotgun snaps. Maybe you are right, and it is a non issue. Just saying if it were my call, I'd move him to left guard and find a center who was more consistent shotgun snapping.

 

I like Pouncey but all pro guard ? The kid is a bit overated IMO. I still say put him at LG, put Incognito at C and draft this kid De Castro for RG. Out of all the Oline I saw at the combine, this DeCastro kid fills the bill for what we need. By mid season we would have the best interior in the NFL.

 

I'm no o-line guru but it seemed to me when Pouncey struggled it was sometimes due to him being distracted by getting a good snap off and having some hesitation. Snapping does not seem natural to him, but he could get better. I would love to see him at guard without the pressure of making a bad snap, I think he would dominate.

 

In all fairness like others said, the kid did not have OTAs and such to learn. But, just the same, put him at LG. They tried Incognito briefly at c at Nebraska and the offense moved. Paul Boudreau, due to injury, moved him to center for 11 games in 2006 and Jackson had his best rushing year as a pro, Bulger had his best passing year as a pro. We due to emergency, slugged him in at center last year with little or no practice and what happened ? The offense moved. It does not take a rocket scientist to see this kid is a proto type Center for the NFL.

 

That's exactly what I see with Pouncey. With veteran OL coaches like Philbin, Sherman and Turner all on staff now, I will acquiesce to their decisions on him though.

 

I don't see how Incognito stays at LG with this news. There has been a ton of talk about the possible love affair the offensive staff has with John Jerry, or Nate Garner, or Lydon Murtha. I really think the pieces are there on the line to be very solid, even with the departures of Vernon Carey and Marc Colombo which seem to be inevitable. I think Scott Wells is a target, along with some other names, maybe Carl Nicks?

 

People talk about Incognito like he is a statue or nothing more than a phone booth guy. When I focused on him, he looked well able to trap, make short pulls, combo block, get to the 2nd level, etc. What with all the other things we need, IMO, replacing him should be far down the list.
I could see us going after Scott Wells, and maybe Evan Mathis too. Depends on whether or not they decide to keep Pouncey at C or move him to G.
I'd prefer Wells, simply because I think Pouncey would make a better G.

 

Rex Hadnot did, when Salete was starting as a rookie C.

 

Sure it helps! Thanks!

Given the fact that these guys barely had a training camp, I want to see more of him as a Center. He may have worn down slightly as the season went on. Being it was his first year playing at this level.

 

Where has it been written or said this current staff has a love affair with Jerry and Garner ? There are some here that have a love affair with Garner and actually think he is a starter. He is not, nor will he ever be with the old staff or this staff. If an Olineman is a leigt starter then they start him. They do not give window dressing statements that were given to Garner. Fact is, good backup, it ends there regardless if its at guard or at Tackle of which I will tell you right now, Nate Garner will not be a starter on this Oline in 2012 with this new staff. He simply is not talented enough. Jerry ? Yep, did decent last part of the year but again, its a new year, new staff with a new playbook. All of the Oline will be starting from square one from the get go. Jerry by any means of the imagination is going to have to prove to this staff he can play the game of football well on a consistent basis.

 

Clean, its obvious that many on here know squat about the Oline and simply pick or constantly throw out names of their favorites. You at least show you know about the Oline. One good thing for Pouncey will be cutting the lard azzz named Vernon Carey. The only veteran leadership Carey showed Pouncey was how to party till 3 am in the morning and come to practice half shiiiit faced. Pouncey had better change his ways/off the field activities and practice habits this season or he will not be here in 2013 because he will nolonger have Carey to put the blame on. Vernon Carey is the biggest waste product, waste of potential talent that was on this team in 2011. He took the new kid under his wing and admittedly Pouncey liked it but just the same, Carey was and still is the worst possible example of veteran leadership there is in the NFL.

 

Pouncey did not wear down due to the game. Pouncey wore down due to the drinking, gambling and having no rest on nights that there was practice. Anyone that really really knows what went on knows this. Tony put up with a lot of crap this kid gave them. Ireland on the other hand knew about the crap and turned his head and told Tony to get it figured out. The Name Pouncey and South Beach/gambling are like bookends. What Pouncey really needs ? Is to get his assss kicked by some players that really do care. I will say it again. Pouncey does not do the dance this season he will not be here in 2013. Mark the post and keep it.

 

Where did you get this information from?

 

Does not matter. Its fact, plain fact and its known fact among the media, press and team members. Not all fans know everything that goes on. If there truly are any of those here guess what ? They know it. Sometimes its hard to accept the truth when your chosen pick in the draft is a horses assss in general. Playing ability aside, the kid needs good direction. Maukrice is no different. They both have some talent but the one that plays for Pittsburgh is oft injured why ? His workouts are non existent until they are mandatory. Our Pouncey that was drafted is a tad up the ladder on partying. Some can ignore it all they want. Fact is fact.

 

alright man relax lol I just never knew or heard of this before. You seem like you have seen this personally. I mean I think young players just out of college are going to wanna party in south beach, I understand he needs to limit himself and make sure to put the work in, but your kinda flipping out. And how does it not matter where this information is coming from if it is fact? Obviously all fans don't know what goes on in players personal lives but your kinda acting like you do.

 

if the media knew about they would report it...

 

That's what I was thinking, I feel like they would eat that sh!t up.

 

Fact without proof is hearsay or rumor.

 

It's speculation from comments by Mike Sherman. He talked about hidden talent within the offensive line. Using common logic would tell us that has to be some backup's that have seen time, but aren't starters, i.e. John Jerry, Nate Garner, or Lydon Murtha.

 

I love this. Trust me, as someone that has plenty of friends within the media, if it was a known fact that Vernon Carey and Mike Pouncey were out till all hours of the night gambling and partyin AND the media knew about it, then they'd report it.

They get very little from Dolphins camp, so they're chomping at the bit for stories. You don't think they'd publish that?

We hear of stories re: players getting on other players for not being professionals, i.e. Brandon Marshall/Vontae Dacis incident. Why would a rookie be excluded from condemnation?

And don't say it was because the Dolphins were trying to protect them, because the Greatest Basketball Player of All-Time was killed by the press for his gambling habits, just like the Greatest Golfer of All-Time was killed in the press for his extra-marital affairs once they became known. So, I hardly believe Vernon Carey or Mike Pouncey would be protected from the media.

I call BS.

 

As I recall, Sherman said hidden talent on the offense, period. The part about it being specifically the OL was speculation.

 

They busted Vontae Davis when he came into the walk-thru hungover. That said, it's still the South Florida media.