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8th Pick

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by FinsPensFan, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. Phinz420

    Phinz420 New Member

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    Claiborne, Blackmon, Kalil, Richardson, Cox/Tannehill? Hard to say where 5-7 goes but theres plenty of great prospects it seems for us.(It will be really interesting if one of those guys falls to us)

    Anyone worried about some kind of reach at #8? Maybe someone that should be a 2nd rounder is "family friends" with our new coach? :lol:
     
  2. Samphin

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    How great would it be if Philbin turned out to be insanely inept and tried to draft a player from another team, thinking it was like Madden and Fantasy drafts? I actually root for this.
     
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  3. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Kalil, Blackmon, Claiborne
     
  4. ToddsPhins

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    can you count stoopid?
     
  5. ToddsPhins

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    Exactly. If he has the potential to be a Haynesworth but without the headache, you take the kid and let him develop. To be as much of a beast as he already is, in the SEC no less, and with minimal experience at DT, that's saying something IMO. If he's got the heart, desire, and work ethic to with that insane talent, then you gotta be drooling over his potential to be a true game-changer...... and now that we're switching to a 4-3, that only makes it all the more perfect.

    Starks isn't gonna be around here after next year IMO.
    McDaniel is more of a 3-4 than 4-3 guy IMO which is why he didn't fare as well in Jax.
    Langford was drafted to be a 3-4 DE, and IMO he's better suited for that than he is 4-3 DT.
    Soliai fits either system well but is he worth the cost?

    What's that leave as far as building a quality 43 front? Odrick? IMO we need a stud DT to pair with Odrick so there becomes no discussion about "which player is better than that player and why we need to keep this and that player for $24-$40 million just so they can be part of a rotation."

    Personally look at it this way: Get a stud DT. These are our 2 guys (new DT & Odrick) for the next 10 years and the foundation of our defense. No more worries about expensive contracts for rotation guys or how we're going to make things work. Only need to worry about depth.
     
  6. padre31

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    Name Amobi Okoye ring any bells?
     
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  7. Roman529

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    So we pick at 8th instead of 9th....whoopity-dee-doo.....we might as well trade down for extra pick as we have no shot at RG3 or Luck.
     
  8. RoninFin4

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    Well, I think you can somewhat safely assume that Matt Kalil, Morris Claiborne, and Justin Blackmon will be off the board before Miami picks. Assuming they sit tight and don't move the pick, up or down, I think the players you really have to consider at that point would be, and not necessarily in this order:

    1) Courtney Upshaw
    2) Fletcher Cox
    3) Ryan Tannehill
    4) Quinton Coples - not a big fan of his.
    5) Brandon Weeden
    6) Dontari Poe
    7) Reilly Rieff - not a fan of his either.
    8) Trent Richardson
     
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  9. ToddsPhins

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    I'm really not sure your point. Akoye was a 6'02 kid at 300 lbs with little room to fill out into a monster, hence he's still 6'02 300.

    Brockers is 6'06 306, and it's obvious he's got more to go before he grows into his "man" body. Despite this, he's already playing like a big boy.
    Let's not forget the bigger, tougher, and more physical competition he faced in the SEC compared to Louisville's Big East.

    Age isn't a negative here and doesn't serve as a correlation to Akoye b/c he's already starting to play like a beast. All Deej is pointing out is the kid's best days are likely ahead of him b/c he's not yet maxed out and he's yet to reach his "man" strength.
     
  10. PhinsRDbest

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    the next dimension
    Mine:
    1. Quinton Coples
    2. David DeCastro
    3. Courtney Upshaw
    4. Luke Kuechley
    5. Ryan Tannehill
     
  11. ToddsPhins

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    IMO if I'm Cleveland I'd be taking Claiborne b/c as Haden continues to get better, it'll now be difficult for offenses to scheme away from him.
     
  12. djphinfan

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    ''John Chavis has been quoted as saying he wouldn’t trade sophomore tackles Michael Brockers and Bennie Logan for NFL standouts John Henderson and Albert Haynesworth who played side by side for Chavis at Tennessee.''

    Thats a quote that needs to be respected imo, and thoroughly thought out in terms of evaluating and slotting players.
     
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  13. RoninFin4

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    Brockers potential is intriguing. But there were quite a few guys on that LSU D-line that are all pretty damn good. It kind of almost reminds me of that N.C. State D-line coming out when they had Mario Williams, Manny Lawson, and John McCargo all go in the first round. 2 of those 3 didn't live up to the billing. I think Brockers should've stayed another year. I wouldn't mind him, but not at the 8th spot. If I'm drafting a D-lineman there, it's one of the two between Fletcher Cox and Dontari Poe. Too much "buyer beware" surrounding Brockers for me.
     
  14. dolfan22

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    Not so well after the pops in your photo !
     
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  15. ToddsPhins

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    Little is their best skill player, and he's a stud. They have some other young guys developing. IMO they can add to the offense with the rest of the draft but they wont have many chances to help build a serious strength on their team like their secondary would be with Claiborne, Haden, Ward, and Scrine.... and Sheldon Brown is 32.

    IMO you're making the mistake that 99% of the population mistakes. You're attempting to build up the weakest part of the team (offense) rather than continuing to build and establish your strongest part (defense in this case). Cleveland won't be good by working to become average on both offense and defense..... but they can do some damage behind a stellar defense, which they now have some pieces in place to become (and do so much quicker and more easily than the Browns' offense could).


    For example, Minnesota's past dominant defense did more for success than Peterson has.
     
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  16. ToddsPhins

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    PS:

    If Cleveland cant get a QB with that pick, they should be going with an impact player addition to whichever side of the ball that's closest to helping them become the most competitive. Hillis was a monster in 2010 but Cleveland was still 5-11. Without a great defense in 09 & 10, the Jets don't make the AFC Champ game, let alone the playoffs no matter who their running back was. Just sayin, if you're a few pieces away from building a formidable defense as Cleveland is, you don't throw that on the back burner just to make a crappy offense slightly less crappy. You're sacrificing too much in that trade off.

    Seriously, what's better? The current browns with Richardson (who at running back has a higher chance of injury and shorter career)..... or the current Browns with a defense that has Claiborne and perhaps a stud RDE like Andre Branch, which not only gives them a young dangerous secondary but also a young formidable D line as well.

    LDE- Sheard (22)
    DT- Taylor (23)
    DT- Rubin (25)
    *RDE- Branch (22)
    one of the best ILBs in the game- Dq Jackson (28).
    CB- Haden (22)
    Nickel- Scrine (22)
    *CB- Claiborne (22)
    SS-Ward (25)

    The only thing that would stop me from drooling all over that defensive possibility is trading up for RG3 b/c that defense would be only a few easy additions away from being a nightmare for opposing offenses. What if Reggie Nelson was added in FA? And then one of the quality OLBs in the draft? Bam, that defense becomes complete, is ready to take off, and doesn't need to be significantly addressed for years. You can then spend the entire 2013 draft trying to build up the offense.
     
  17. MikeHoncho

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    ...and we had a better shot at it too! (50/50)
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    TBH, I wouldn't make Blackmon a priority over a defensive stud while Cleveland doesn't have a QB capable of maximizing Blackmon's talent, and since no one can predict if or when they will have that QB, I'd take Claiborne who doesn't need the help of another player to reach his fullest potential on that team.

    Without a great D, Richardson's impact becomes little more than say the Panthers with Williams & Stewart. If Cleveland already had an outstanding D the way the Jets or Ravens do/did, then yeah, Trent would be a great pick to compliment that defense while searching for the QB of the future. However, IMO, it's not reflexive; meaning-- you don't aim for the running back and then try to build the D to compliment him. A great back in a mediocre offense with an average defense isn't much better IMO than it was without the back. However, the same thing cant be said about a great defense.

    The other thing to think about is turnovers, short field advantages, and points that you'd benefit from with Claiborne added to Haden & Ward and what that impact could have on a mediocre offense struggling to score points. A. The Browns would have a few more easier scoring opportunities. B. They wouldn't have to score as many points to win.... which means they'll be able to win more games in the fashion that they beat us.

    Also, Richardson IMO doesn't provide Cleveland as much of a chance to beat the elite passing teams as having a great defense does.


    To me, a poor to average defense is nothing more than 11 players all on the field at once.
    However, I view an "elite defense" as if it were one position comparable to that of a "franchise QB" in the immense impact it has on the game.
    For instance, if I asked 32 NFL GMs what they would rather have when starting a new franchise out of Tom Brady or the 2000 Ravens' D, the answer would be quite different than if I used Brady and say the 2011 entire 11 man starting Chargers D. So I look at that Browns D as being a few key players away from having the impact a franchise QB has on the game. That's why I draft Claiborne.
     
  19. Deus ex dolphin

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    :lol:

    Yeah, interesting thought. I'd take him for a "nod of the head" type. I hope Philbin sees FGs as a minor failure of the offense and refuses to be excited about them. Unless it's a game winner of course, or puts you up by 10 with 2 minutes to go in the game, then you can be excited.
     
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  20. ToddsPhins

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    OK, this is the best way I can pose it:

    Question to you all,

    Would you rather have:

    A. a poor offense that has Richardson added to it.... with an average to good defense.
    B. a poor offense..... with a defense that looks primed to supplant the aging Steelers & Ravens as the AFC's best (along with Houston).
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    Is a butt pump out of the question?























    Sorry, should probably save the advances for PM's. ______________ :whistling:
     
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  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I hope he celebrates field goals and not care what the fans think.
     
  23. Deus ex dolphin

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    In certain contexts, sure. I already gave an example of a game winning FG. However, why get excited if your offense settles for a FG most of the time? Some points are better than none? Certainly, but against the better teams FGs won't be enough without a really good D.

    Sparano got mocked because he got way too excited over FGs that actually put us closer to losing games, or maybe he thought hanging onto a FG lead is usually good enough? Not in the modern NFL.

    Some emotion is fine, but I'd rather have a mild-mannered coach that make good use of his timeouts, avoids stupid penalties, and (almost) never lets the offense feel like a FG was a job well done. I hope Philbin is that coach.
     
  24. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Sparano got mocked because fans are ridiculous. He just fits pumps a field goal and people act like he thought it was the best thing ever.

    Did you ever see him celebrate a touchdown? The guy went crazy for touchdowns. He ran down the field, constantly fist pumped and gave a high five to everyone. He was in the game. Fans were just being jerks.

    And honestly the last thing you read has NOTHING to do with each other. You can have an emotional coach that makes good uses of timeouts, avoids stupid penalties and well the last part is just stupid.
     
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  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You got it wrong. Todd probably does not want to let Soliai and Langford go and neither does Ireland. But...there is this pesky little detail commonly known as the salary cap, which will likely prevent us from resigning them. We may be able to keep just Langford, who is coming off a down year statistically, but chances are extremely slim we could fit both under the cap.
     
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  26. MrClean

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    Brockers compares more to a guy like Kevin Williams, or maybe Kevin Carter, than he does to Paul Soliai. There couldn't be a more off base DL comparison than Brockers being just another Soliai.
     
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  27. MrClean

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    NFL Draft Scout has him 8th overall, and The Huddle Report has him 11th. They have Devon Still ranked 10th and 16th respectively.
     
  28. brandon27

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    NOOO!!!!
    It can't be true!
    We're cursed!
    We have no good luck!
    We dont get any breaks!
    The football gods hate us!
    Chad Henne will toss the coin and Carolina will intercept it!
    Matt Moore will fumble the coin toss and Carolina will win!
    Marshall will drop the coin toss and we'll never know if it was heads or tails!
    Sparano will fist pump the loss of the toss!
    We will automatically have the 9th pick because Stephen Ross won't supply the coin toss for the pick!

    /end typical Dolphins fan rant.

    Wait... we won the toss? What?!
     
  29. ToddsPhins

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    Exactly, there's no doubting this kid's talent. If he has as much upstairs and in the heart as he does natural talent, he's a solid pick for us IMO.

    I wonder what Giant fans' "before and after" expressions looked like regarding JPP [immediately after his draft selection compared to his 2011 season].

    Booooo....not another DE....... yay!!! lol.
     
  30. padre31

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    Reif and Poe literally make my eyes bleed, ditto Brockers, eegads not that crap again.

    I say let Mr C take Ireland and Philbin out for a night of tequila and strippers before the draft, and that way they may do something rash and take a playmaker in a weak moment, I've heard the win in the trenches mantra for yrs now and watched the losses pile up, dumb-dumbs.
     
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  31. bran

    bran Senior Member

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  32. Deus ex dolphin

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    Yet Sparano struggeld with clock management, couldn't get his team ready for the seaon (yet somehow the Pats could come in and have no issues with conditioning?) and still gets to collect millions of dollars for the "mea culpa" contract extension he got? Was Tony given the best chance to succeed? Nope, Parcells and Ireland didn't do him many favors with a number of draft picks and free agents. Still, an OL guru like Tony had a mess of an OL at the end of four years?

    You are right though, in light of all the above, hating on Tony for his FG celebrations is kinda petty. I'm sorry you'll miss Sparano, but hopefully Philbin makes us forget the recent past.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    Whatta you talkin bout big C, haven't you seen that devastating spin move by Solai..I want to resign Solai, but if we don't, we need to replace him.
     
  34. Larryfinfan

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    It may not be in his nature to trade up, even for RG3, but I think that using those draft picks hampers Philbin even more by us not being able to fill the holes we have... Obviously, we can tell better after FA starts, but if I'm Philbin, I really don't want them trading up for a guy, even if it's RG3...where are his weapons going to come from ?? Where are the RG and RT coming from if I have no 2nd or 3rd this year and losing at least one more high round pick for the next two years... no thanks...
     
  35. Agua

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    I anticipate it won't take long for the fans to complain Philbin's unemotional. I look forward to the nicknames generated.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I will miss Sparano's passion. I will not miss his poor clock management and all of his other faults.

    I do hope that Philbin is a more successful coach.
     
  37. Aquafin

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    that is my bigest fear . but if the dolphins select Tannyhill it will be the dumbest thing they have done since drafting Eddie Moore.


    Tannnyhill isnot a good qb and the fact that Sherman is our offensive coordinator doesnt boode well for us. I hope that we bring in Manning or Flynn and then take the wr malcom Floyd .:up:
     
  38. ToddsPhins

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    Floyd's a good player, but I'm not sure if he fits into the type of offense Philbin & Sherman will want to run.

    Even if he turns out to be a bust, I'll be all smiles if Miami takes Tannehill #8. :wink2:
     
  39. ToddsPhins

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    The other thing the #8 spot does---- it puts us in a position where Buffalo can't leap frog us via Carolina for a player we both might want, perhaps Coples.
     
  40. the 23rd

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    don't know how clever an opinion this is...
    having said that, it certainly looks good to me.
    of coarse, everything would have to fall right in the draft for us to this end
    but I don't see any real reaching to achieve these ends in 2012 i.e. doable & solid

    would love to acquire a healthy & vindictive Manning @ the helm to kick off this season, with Tannehill waiting in the wings, learning from the best. it would work for me. something to think about anyway, during the NFL doldrums. it might actually work... the priority would be the double hit: Manning & Tannehill in free-agency & draft
     

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