How much does arm length play into that evaluation? I'd think that if Martin's arms were significantly longer than the top performers it'd have quite a large impact on his number of reps. That said though, I'd still have to say that sub 20 reps for any lineman, regardless of arm length, it still pretty poor
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He ran a sub-5 40 and put up 225 31 times with 35 3/4 inch arms which were the 2nd longest arms measures for Lineman at the combine.
I wonder if Miami will have any interest in Adam Gettis. Obviously there's some familiarity with the Iowa program and Gettis certainly fits the bill of a more "athletic" lineman. Could be a nice mid-round pick, which if I remember right was a hot spot for the Packers when drafting lineman. Wonder if Philbin will try and impart some of that philosophy on Ireland.
Arm length is important for being able to hold off, redirect pass rushers, and keep defenders away from their body. Arm length is much more important for Tackles though. They need to the arm length to push defenders around where the QB drops back (think; shorter arms equals a shorter distance the DE needs to travel to the QB). Martins arms were 34 inches which is about average, nothing freakish. Additionally, I found out that he is missing all the drills due to "food poisoning." That seems like bogus to me... He is probably trying to hide the fact that he hasn't been in the weight room as often as he should. Like I previously mentioned I have heard reports of him being "lazy" so I wouldn't doubt it.
first round pick.. If we sign Manning, dropping down might be the best route, use it to move back in the first, walk out with Fleener and Glenn....damn.
It's one of those important measurements for the "prototype". Personally, I believe it depends on the player. Jake Long good, but not great feet for a LT, but his production was great b/c he was so good at using his long arms. However, it can work both ways. A guy with great feet and strength might compensate for shorter arms by staying inside and holding on. On the defensive side I see a guy like Ingram get knocked for his T-rex arms, but he may end up being the better football player than a prototype guy like Coples.
Seems like a dream scenario. I would just prefer Flynn over Manning for the simple fact that I have a strong feeling that if we sign Manning we will spend a very early pick on Tannehill. I think Tannehill learning behind Manning would be another dream scenario, I just think that if Flynn's the real deal we can address the position with him and move on to other needs. Cordy Glenn could be a hell of a RT. Also I like our chances of getting a top 3 Tight End with our second round pick. Between Cody Fleener, Dwayne Allen, or Orson Charles. I think at least one of them will be there with that pick and we should take them. Another random thought, but I just have this weird feeling that Philban likes Nate Potter. He is a spread Tackle and while he won't wow you over with anything, he is very solid in pass protection and does very thing well. High floor, mediocre ceiling kind of guy similar to players the Packers would look at. Here is my dream scenario: 1.) WR Kendall Wright (after trade back with Cowboys, Chargers, or Bears) 2a.) DE Vinny Curry 2b.) TE Orson Charles (possibly Fleener or Dwayne Allen if Charles is gone. I just feel like Charles offers the compliment to Fasano and is the best deep threat in the passing game) 3.) DT Brandon Thompson 4.) OT Nate Potter If we have a draft class like this and then sign either Flynn or Manning, watch out.
shoot, if we can't get Fleener, lets hope his 40 time drops him..The guy is a great football player..
That's about what I expected, Deej. It's why I said months ago that Fleener was a better fit for what we needed (prior to all our coaching changes). However, now that Philbin's here, and if we happen to bring in Flynn, I believe Allen would be a better fit. Allen & Andre Branch go into a hat for my top 2 2nd round choices (if either make it that far). Being Clemson boys is just a coincidence.
The problem is there are 3 TE's that are better than him (Charles, Fleener, and Allen). He could be a late 2nd or early 3rd, not a chance he goes in the 1st round though.
We should have a shot at either Charles, Fleener, or Allen. I suspect they will be selected in that order... At the very least we should be able to get Allen. We could possibly target Green in the 3rd though. He only bench pressed 225 like 18 times, so while he is a threat as a receiver he won't win many blocking assignments. He is one dimensional compared to the other 3 TE's in front of him which will push him down in the draft.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=36579 From National Football Post. Could be an interesting developmental pick or free agent.
He's gonna take a little time to develop, add some size, and adjust to the level of competition. With a 1st round contract of 4 years and the lower cost of these contracts, IMO you need to take a guy who either can contribute early on or become a franchise player that you'll re-sign no matter what the cost. It's like DHB and Oakland. Sure, he might end up becoming a stud and now looks like that could be the case..... but by the time that happens, he'll be a FA and it'll cost a lot to re-sign him...... so it's like you paid all that 1st round money to develop him only to potentially lose him when you're ready to reap the rewards. With that 1st rounder, you gotta reap some immediate rewards. Since Green isn't an every down TE (and won't be for a few years), it's unlikely that a team will give a 1st or 2nd for a situational, developmental TE who wont see most of your offensive snaps. IMO if we take a TE, it'll be a guy who can quickly replace Fasano and serve to compliment Clay rather than a guy who comes in competing with Clay for our "move TE" spot leaving Fasano still the #1. However, if it's a value pick (4th round on) then I could see us taking Green. I honestly don't see him going before the 4th. He reminds me a lot of 3rd rounder Rob Housler, only Housler had a little more size to him at this stage. IMO Green will go in the 4th, possibly even 5th round.
The revolution of the TE position will allow Green to be on the field the majority of the time if he realizes his potential as a pass catcher.
He is pretty raw as a LB doesn't matter where lines up he is going to need time to develop. I think he can do some real damage as a 3-4 OLB IMO.
John Lott, the Cards strength coach. He'd drive me crazy if I had to bench with him as the spotter. I get my drive from within, a noisy spotter is nothing more than a distraction to me.
Good to see, Vinny getting love. No coincidence it's from a C-USA guy (well, former C-USA guy, haha). You got to see him the last 2 years. Unbelievable character, motor, and quickness. He'd be a great get.
He is incredible. Plays hard every down and has the skill set you look for. I'd rather take a player like him in the 2nd than a player like Coples in the 1st.
What would you guys think if we took Vinny Curry at 8? He's going to end up going top 25-30 so it's not as big as of a reach as some would think. Plus, I'm convinced he's by far the best pure pass rusher in this draft. I would honestly be satisfied if we couldn't trade down and took him there.
It won't happen. Ireland is big on value and Curry at 8 is not value. I think if we target him we will trade down some and pick him up. I think the biggest team we have to worry about in regard to him is the Steelers. He fits their mold.
