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Is this Peyton Manning throwing yesterday?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by gafinfan, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    That's not accurate, in my opinion. It doesn't PROVE or DISPROVE anything. If Peyton Manning were only capable of that velocity on game days, then yes he would be labeled a "noodle-armed" quarterback.
     
  2. DeDolfan

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    Doesn't matter one way or the other if the vid is real or not. My only question about that is, if it was real, why didn't they zoom in for a closer look and use facial recognition software to prove it? ;)
     
  3. ckparrothead

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    That one is a little tougher to gauge because it's difficult to tell exactly which route he's throwing and what the depth is. It looked to me about 20 yards in length, maybe a little shorter, at about 1.0 seconds of timing. The shorter distance dictates that the average velocity is going to be higher than on a 25 to 27 yard throw and I'm seeing that...about 40 mph where in live games 50 mph would be more common.

    All in all I see about 80%. That's the reports we've heard since January that he's been throwing at about 80%. I'm fine with that in practice but in a game he needs to be able to juice that up. We'll find out if he can. They'll release him soon and at that time he'll either be ready for a pro day style workout where he's comfortable maxing out and showing teams what's under his skirt, or he won't. Unfortunately I'm guessing he won't and it's going to be more "Yeah but in 5 months..." which makes me uncomfortable because you're plotting a progression from one point not two. None of the teams that will be looking at him in his private workouts will have seen what he was like in December or January and so they won't know if he is or is not making REAL progress. It's a leap of faith.

    I'll take that leap of faith if we're drafting Ryan Tannehill anyway. If not, no thanks.
     
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  4. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I'll take the leap as well.
    Especially if the other alternative is blowing our load to move up for RGIII.
     
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  6. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Except I think it's been pretty well confirmed by all the networks and by the Manning camp themselves, that was Peyton Manning.
     
  7. MikeHoncho

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    You could be right. Now, I'm sure there are a number of perfectly logical explanations for what we just witnessed.






























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  8. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    good point although 80% is not that bad given the reports out there earlier
     
  9. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Fine, but can we at least take into account that perhaps he was only warming up with those throws? He`s still rehabbing so I`m sure he`s not going all out just yet. Nobody is arguing the fact that his velocity is not 100% ,that would be unfair to think otherwise right now.
     
  10. padre31

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    Which is sort of the point of all of this, right now, all that can be said is he is throwing again, despite reports to the contrary earlier about never recovering etc. Where it goes from here just remains to be seen.
     
  11. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Well I posted yesterday a link that said to look for video of Peyton throwing to come out soon , as gafinfan said and I did yesterday , the naysayers wanted reports , proof , independent sources , visuals and they are getting them . Less than 1% chance he plays again right? that is what we were told , and not all the naysayers but some never took into account the player involved here , this isn't some guy hanging out in Mississippi cutting his lawn and avoiding training camp , the will to win and compete is virtually unmatched and that HAS to be taken into account. Sure the physical parts had to heal and get better but also don't dismiss that he probably has a good of medical attention as possible. Not someone I would bet against....less than 1% right?
     
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  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Don't bet against Peyton Manning. Go get him Ireland. Pull this off and I'll be your biggest fan. I'll even stop being a fan of the "Fire Jeff Ireland" Facebook page.
     
  13. muscle979

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    Because as we say in the military you train as you fight. I wouldn't think that disqualifies the guy from being him.
     
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  14. padre31

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    Maybe, he could also have a setback, this is one of the problems with either pov wanting to bury the other for being wrong about Manning, for example tossing a ball around in a helmet and pads does not mean he can do so in gm at a high level, which is why we really just wait and see how this plays out, and the Colts decision and FA are both starting soon enough.
     
  15. CaribPhin

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    Post some more. I like your....insights....yeah, that's it.
     
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  16. CaribPhin

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    ck, if we get real Manning. 4,700 yard 30 TD Manning, do you go Osweiler and impact in the first, or Tannehill as a sure replacement in the first after a trade back?

    Also, what are you thoughts on an article that came out after the 2010 season, or was it 2009. I can't remember where I read it, but it was saying that a lot of players who played against Manning were saying that somehow, he was getting better. Did you see that over the previous 2 or 3 seasons? I mean just looking at raw numbers, yes, he was becoming more prolific. I wonder if we get Manning and trade up for say Blackmon, would he go ape**** on the record books?
     
  17. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    My video card must suck. I couldn't see anything in that video that would lead me to believe Manning spinning it well or has any pace on his passes.
     
  18. cdz12250

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    What it does prove is that the folks who were dissecting the injury and saying that he could not even grip the football with the strength required to throw it are wrong.

    When I hear "noodle arm," I think of someone who has neither distance nor velocity. Those throws may not be game day frozen rope alley-oops, but they are very far from all the doom and gloom we've been hearing. When he gets to someone's camp, we'll see if he has what he once did, but those are pretty good practice throws.

    The real question is whether we should gamble and sign him, and if so, to what kind of a contract. That video made me feel better about it, even if I didn't measure the distance or velocity of his throws.
     
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  19. dolfan22

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    That wasn't the point Pads , the detractors were closing the door , said there is less than a 1% chance he ever plays again , which to be direct was and is ludicrous , but hey they can , do and did voice their opinions . It is just that ,their opinions , no internal insight , no balance , no taking into account it is Peyton Manning. The player , at least to me , and apparently to several NFL teams , means you need to not close any doors and be open to see if progress is being made ( and voila , there is ) to see if there is real reason to believe he will be able to play .

    Then we hear the nonsense , that signing Peyton sets the team back because you have to totally change your offense to cater to 18 , that hurts Miami , that somehow you can't mesh Peyton's skills and strengths with Philbin's offense , well here is Bill Polians take :

    "Bill Polian said on SiriusXM radio that Manning could fit Philbin's offense

    A dolphin fan just called up and asked Polian if Manning could fit in Philbin's offense and he said without question. He said he has no inside info but just studying philbin's offense in Green Bay and Mike Sherman's offense at Texas a&m. He said it would take him about 2 weeks to learn the offense. The only thing he can't do that Rogers could do are the bootlegs. It just dispels the notion that Manning doesn't fit the system. "

    Hey maybe I am wrong , maybe Miami should never consider the option of pursuing Peyton if he becomes available , maybe he hurts the team instead of helps them , maybe the chance or likelyhood to win is better with MM or some other option. However where Peyton is right now , and where he could be has not proved that at all . So I will stand by what I have been for , to consider the option of signing perhaps the most significant addition to this team since maybe Shula .

    Why some feel the need to dismiss the chance to have 18 in Aqua and Orange at this point I truly don't get , but nothing they have espoused as the reasons to do so have increased in probability , they have lessened. Personally I take that as a positive , which is what we are looking for isn't it?
     
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  20. Roman529

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    P. Manning is at the Duke-North Carolina basketball game as we speak.
     
  21. padre31

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    PManning has been at uke for 6 weeks working out

    I feel ya on the throwing Manning under the bus w/no evidence or information, however Manning tossing a ball around is not proof of anything either, just that he can throw a ball, so from my pov, to read to much into it is the same coin, just a different side.

    I'm mildly in favor of signing him, love that he could go Montana in KC for us and launch the franchise upwards, however the shortcut aspect to me is unattractive as we've done that very thing for yrs.
     
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  22. Ohio Fanatic

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    definitely getting interesting.
     
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  23. dolfan22

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    It is proof of some things though Pads.... it proves he has made progress , it proves he is being Peyton Manning about work and not Brett Favre and it does prove he doesn't have a "noodle" arm despite what anyone says , those throws while maybe not game ready are closer to game ready than noodle armed. It proves progress is being made , now it doesn't mandate the trend is 45 degrees upward ongoing , but it sure as hell beats not moving ahead.

    But hey people that state they are never wrong won't admit we should be cautiously optimistic , no worries. As I have been saying we haven't had to exercise a warrant for multiple millions of dollars to keep the option to possibly sign Peyton , there has been zero cost , but because someone doesn't believe Peyton will ever play again , does that mean we should hold a press conference and say 18 isn't taking his talents to South Beach because we are not open to entertaining the possibility to sign him?
     
  24. smahtaz

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    You could really see the laces spinning and judge the trajectory of the balls thrown from that video?

    I'm just asking because all I could see was a brown projectile.
     
  25. Conuficus

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    That number seems high, but considering a QB's warmup throws before practice, the throws he'll make during 7 on 7's etc, his individual throws that he'll make during QB specific drills, the warmup throws before the game and then the game itself (maybe 35 attempts give or take) and any subsequent throws he'll make on the sideline during a game,..........he might get close to that.

    On a game day, he'll make around 80 throws give or take a few. Maybe I'm wrong about it, but it may be somewhere close to that.
     
  26. dolfan22

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    Absolutely not. Not in the least . I did see enough to know he doesn't have a noodle arm though , to see that brown projectile getting across the field and down the field with enough speed to have me believe progress has been made. I also saw enough to vehemently disagree with any comment that would term those throws as noodle armish.

    I also saw enough to make me absolutely be interested in pursuing him when and if he becomes available provided Miami sees what they need/want to see when they can get more hands on details.

    I certainly didn't see a QB that had less than 1% chance to ever play again , did you?
     
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  27. gafinfan

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    Totally agree with your input. As for what pads said about setback, yes he could and yes the world could end on Dec. 21st, if we continue to base our decisions on a bad happening versus a good happening I fear we will continue to live in the same world that the Dolphins have lived in since Jan. 2000!

    Faint heart and all that ........... ! Hell I'm tired of all that BS, just roll the dice for once already!
     
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  28. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    If I'm not mistaken they have rolled the dice on Green, Culpepper and Pennington. CP10 looks good now because the wildcat won them a few games. Not so much overall.
     
  29. gafinfan

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    So making bad choices by a former Owner/GM/HC demands this Owner/GM/HC be held hostage to not making that move or that none of those you've named can hold a candle to what Peyton Manning has done or could possibly do come September? Remember we could have had Drew Brees, Too! Had we made THAT choice then this thread would be mute imvho. Sadly it was our second chance at THAT brass ring, first time shame on you second time shame on me!
     
  30. vt_dolfan

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    Thats manning I think....look at his feet....
     
  31. the 23rd

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    love that avatar! :up:
     
  32. CANEPHINS

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    Not to mention Manning was courtside at the Duke-UNC game, AT DUKE, yesterday with Cutcliff.
     
  33. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Manning to Miami

    Let it be written, let it be done.
     
  34. unifiedtheory

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    Penny looks good because we has just that, good. We was runner up in the MVP voting and had a 97 rating, the best the franchise had seen from a starter in over 25 years. Dan Marino had a higher rating than Pennington once in his career....once.

    They did not "roll the dice" on Trent Green. Trent Green was thought of as a bridge to John Beck, they gave basically nothing for the guy. Culpepper was a big gamble, we chose wrong. AJ Feeley was the biggest gamble we took, and were wrong.

    What exactly was the dice roll on Pennington? We gave him money.

    We have to keep turning over rocks to get "the guy".
     
  35. Killerphins

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    Anyone know if the Colts can get an extension on that March 8th date?
     
  36. CANEPHINS

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    Yes. Manning has to agree to it and they can extend the deadline, but from all accounts they won't.
     
  37. MAFishFan

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    [video=youtube;lytZ7fYOlgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lytZ7fYOlgU&feature=related[/video]
     
  38. Alex13

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    i think they approached him but he rejected it
     
  39. ckparrothead

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    You have to think of what this team's problem has been for the last 15 years. The problem has been their lack of commitment to fixing the LONG TERM outlook of the position. They've done plenty of short term, quick fixes. Chad Pennington was one and for a year, that worked out great...about as great as you can expect the Peyton Manning move to work. But in terms of finding someone for the long haul, they've skimped. A bunch of second rounders, also-rans, conservative options, etc.

    Signing Peyton Manning to me doesn't change any of that.

    What I don't like is this idea that because Peyton Manning is here, we can go low on the price tag of our "developmental" guy...and pick up some 3rd rounder or 4th rounder, etc. The problem is, generally speaking, you get what you pay for. It's one thing if you've done a ton of research and have come up with so-and-so as a HIGHLY underrated quarterback prospect that your people are really sold on, and so you're targeting him because you feel like you know him, know how to develop him, know what he can do, etc. That was the case with the Bengals and Andy Dalton. They weren't sacrificing quality, they were targeting the player they legitimately thought was the most suited for their offense.

    You need to cure the position long term, that means you get the best guy you can get your hands on. If Robert Griffin isn't that guy, fine. If Ryan Tannehill isn't that guy, fine. If Brandon Weeden isn't that guy, fine. But no matter what the #1 priority of this team even after signing Peyton Manning SHOULD be to cure the position long term and that means you get the best quarterback that you're sold on. If you genuinely think Ryan Tannehill is going to be a franchise caliber signal caller then you don't pass on him at #8 just because you want some immediate impact.

    I think Peyton has been at the forefront of the NFL adapting to a pass-heavy league full of short, high percentage passing plays that function as run plays. I don't know that he's been getting better. I know that his arm strength in 2010 was only at Colt McCoy's level, whatever you consider that level to be. Matt Flynn's velocity was better in 2010. Statistically speaking I think his heyday was more 2004 to 2006. I think he's become a very short-oriented passer in recent years and even if he weren't in this pickle from the neck standpoint I would worry a little bit about playing him for an outdoor team. If he's healthy, you're going to get a GOOD quarterback. But how good? Chad Pennington 2008 good? Does that get us a Super Bowl?
     
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  40. ckparrothead

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    I think your perception of "what we've been hearing" is exaggerated a lot more than what has been actually said.
     

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