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Report: Miami not interested in trading with Rams for the #2 overall

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, Mar 4, 2012.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/foot...cle_31a15698-368b-587c-ac57-a4f60ed69a44.html

    hmm, which means Maning or Flynn is probably more attractive then shedding high draft picks for RG3.
     
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  2. JMHPhin

    JMHPhin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    or with Sherman they really believe in Tannehill
     
  3. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I simply think it is a matter of not enough firepower to attain the pick....without screwing themselves high round picks for years....

    Because of the new CBA, teams know EXACTLY what they have to spend money wise on any draft pick in the 1st round...this was a problem under the old CBA, especially when it came to trading into the Top 10 and 5.....

    I think you are going to see more movement than in previous years because now it is just a matter of getting the right trade down pick wise, knowing what you have to spend on it will just be an inncentive for teams to pull the trigger on some of these trades...
     
  4. Ronnie Bass

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    Why would the Browns be reluctant to part ways with their later 1st round pick? If it means grabbing a franchise QB, it's a no-brainer.
     
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  5. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Well the Browns might actually be playing this correctly. They are waiting for free agency to see what the other teams do including themselves. If Washington were to sign Manning and Miami signs Flynn, the Browns have a chance to stay at 4 and still get RGIII since there are no other suitors left. The "mystery team" is the x factor though. If there is indeed a mystery team interested in trading into the #2 spot the Browns will have to monitor that situation closely. I'd kinda like to see the Rams stuck at #2 not knowing what to do with the pick come draft day. F Jeff Fisher. And that's not because he turned us down... but rather he played our front office for the fools they can be at times. I suppose there is a fine line between those two...
     
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  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Because if they are openly pursuing the pick, the price goes upwards

    And, reality is, Holmgren may not love RG3's potential.
     
  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I really don't think Jeff Ireland is as high on Robert Griffin as everyone else is.
     
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  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Kinda figured this would be the case. It would be only when they happen to miss out on both, that RG3 would be next in their priorities. Then when they are reluctant to meet the asking price, they'll sell us hard on Tannehill(I'll bet they'll lie and tell us he was their prime choice all along).
     
  9. CaribPhin

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    I think we might be underestimating Tannehill's desirability as a first round talent. Jake Locker went 8th overall and I don't think he showed as much quarterbacking promise as Tannehill.
     
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  10. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Good, remove my least favorite option from the list
     
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  11. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I agree. My choices for QB options rank like this:
    1. Sign Matt Flynn
    1A. Sign Peyton Manning

    3. Draft Tannehill and deal with Moore for a season or 2.
    4. Blow our load to move up for RG3.
     
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  12. SCall13

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    As well it should be. We need our picks. There is no sense risking strengthening the core of the team for someone with no guarantee that he will excel at the next level. I'd rather trade down than up. We need to think long term as far as the core strength of the team and doing what we can to acquire more picks. I think we can trade down and grab another pick or two. I'm all for that. We can't throw a bounty to move up to take Griffin. I'd be all for it for Luck. But not so much with Griffin. Luck has been consistently great throughout his college career. Griffin had a great season. Don't get me wrong Griffin's maturity and intelligence is very impressive. But would it be smart to give up a slew of draft picks to get him. I don't think so.
     
  13. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    Dead on. Totally agree. I'm with Ireland on this. I think you are too CK
     
  14. Die_Nasty

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    Honestly, I think all three options have their merrits. I think Manning would be an instant solution for a couple years while giving us setup time for the future (i.e. Tannehill, Osweiller, Weeden, Foles).

    If Philbin believes in Flynn then I have zero qualms with paying for him, you have to trust the opinion of a coach that has been in the same meeting room/practice field as a player for 3+ years.

    I think RGIII has rare talent and could be one of those players in the NFL that can surpass the game. I would be happy with all three of those options, thought I think I would lean towards Manning/Flynn due to being able to save all our draft picks.

    I've watched quite a bit of Tannehill and he left me fairly unimpressed, though I wouldnt be surprised if he becomes a good NFL player in time..but definitely not someone I would be comfortable throwing the reigns to immediatly.
     
  15. Alex44

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    I'm good with anyone except Tannenhill or Flynn. So pretty much Manning, Moore or RGIII wouldn't bother me. Tannenhill scares me. I think he needs an Aaron Rodgers type bench stint to succeed at this level.
     
  16. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    The same can be said, for the most part, about any rookie QB.
     
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  17. jw3102

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    Of course Sherman wants Tannehill. Why wouldn't a coach want the quarterback of the team he coached last year and was fired from. Of course there is always the possibility that Sherman has absolutely no interest in seeing the Dolphins draft the QB who was merely mediocre last season. I believe Tannehill is the most overrated player in the entire draft and if he is anything but a backup in the NFL, I will be completely shocked.
     
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  18. PhinPhanatic

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    Why would we want to repeat the mistake Tenn made?? Get Manning and Cousins....Or Weeden. Love that guy
     
  19. Alex13

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    good news if its not for luck, stay put
     
  20. sports24/7

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    I'll qualify this by saying RGIII would be my top choice even if you have to give up a premium.

    While I can believe the Dolphins might not want to give up what it would take to get RGIII, the writer's reasoning is ridiculous. The Dolphins aren't going after Griffen because Fisher went to the Rams? I certainly hope the Dolphins aren't that petty that they'd make important football decisions based on personal history, and I seriously doubt they are.
     
  21. gilv13

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    There's a difference between "not interested" and "not able to afford".
     
  22. pacadermng67

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    I am surprised Weeden has just fallen off most people's radars. Is it just because his age or is there something else I missed?

    At this rate it seems like he'd be a 2nd round if not 3rd round pick.
     
  23. jw3102

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    I agree that RG3 is the best choice for the Dolphins. Even if the Dolphins have to trade their first and second round picks this year and next year, he is well worth giving up these picks to obtain him. Those individuals on here that don't want to be giving up drafts picks for RG3 are going to see the error of their thinking in a couple of years, when he leading the Browns or Redskins to the playoffs and the Dolphins are still trying to find a QB who can make them better than the Bills.
     
  24. jw3102

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    Weeden is old for a rookie and he played terrible at the Senior Bowl. I don't see him as anything but a decent backup in the NFL. He is the next Chris Weinke, as far as I am concerned.
     
  25. Alex44

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    That's actually not true. There was a good post I believe a few years ago or maybe last year that had info regarding first year playing time and long term success. There was no definite correlation found for QB's drafted early on in the first round.

    However Rodgers had a very long bench stint which helped him long term. He completely changed his college mechanics because he knew they would not work in the NFL. I think Tannenhill is one of those guys who will need that time to rework his game and just learn the position.
     
  26. VanDolPhan

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    Yes. This team has too many holes that will require draft picks. They can't afford to be trading up. I'd honestly love if the Bengals would trade us both their picks to get Richardson. Then use our 3rd and 5th to move back up a few spots and grab MLB Luke (get in front of the Eagles) and maybe pair him up with Perry with the later pick. Pipe dream though.
     
  27. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    It very well could be true that Miami is not interested in trading up for RG3...but this time of year, I think you believe half of what you hear and none of what you read until after the draft...
     
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  28. sports24/7

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    Filling holes don't mean much if you don't have a very good QB. If RGIII is going to be as special as many people think he will be, then A) it minimizes the holes on your team, and B) you can fill those holes later on. In the NFL if you have a special QB you are a contender every year even with only decent parts around him (look at the Colts). If you don't have a very good QB though, you don't have a shot. Finding an elite QB should be option 1, 2, and 3 for the Dolphins.
     
  29. Miamian

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    I think that some have questioned Tannehill's arm strength on deep balls, others say that it's good. I have the feeling that he will need a season or two of grooming.

    I'm still so spoiled by Dan Marino.
     
  30. Onehondo

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    It s difficult at this point to determine what is fact or fiction. I would still think that RGIII is still on the radar, just not at the prohibitive cost its going to cost to move up and take him. Cleveland at this point would be foolish to acknowledge they would be willing to give up both of their 1st round picks when other teams are starting to hint they are unwilling to pay a high bounty to move up and take RGIII. If other teams show reluctance and Flynn and Manning go to other potential RGIII suiters Cleveland may be able to trade up for less than both of this years first round picks. I guess the main question right now is what might be considered a prohibitive cost and what is a reasonable offer.
     
  31. VanDolPhan

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    And they can go after Manning/Flynn at QB. If they blow their load by trading up I don't see how they are going to fill 2 OL, 2 DE, 2 Safety (I see Bell as cut) and a LB to pair with our current 2 high paid LB's (not to mention maybe add a TE and another WR) with only $15 million or so in cap space and very few picks. As is they will have to go for very cheap options at a couple spots and hope a depth player stands up.
     
  32. sports24/7

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    Flynn is a risk with his lack of playing time and his upside might be limited. I wouldn't necessarily be against Flynn if Philbin endorses the move, but his upside isn't near what Griffen's is. Manning's health is a major question mark and obviously his longevity isn't nearly what Griffen's would be. And like I said before, with an elite QB in tow, you don't need to fill all of those holes right away and it lessens the need to have good players at every position.
     
  33. sports24/7

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    What mistake did Tenn make that would have any similarity to the Dolphins trading up for Griffen? You're not actually comparing Vince Young to RGIII are you?
     
  34. SCall13

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    Bro I wasn't disagreeing. But how many QBs, really, are an immediate impact overall. Most of them take time.
     
  35. rafael

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    The smart choices are Fynn or Tannehill. Flynn has four years in our offense and a coach who knows how to maximize his talents. Tannehill has a similar advantage. He's raw and will need a year, but his long term potential is through the roof. The people who question him tend to focus on stats, but true evaluators look at the skills and he has top 10 talent. Weedon is less desirable b/c of the age, but otherwise hes a great talent. The other options carry far more risk, cost and/or are simply bad fits.
     
  36. Anonymous

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    I agree. They are my two preferred options with Brandon Weeden as a fall back option.
     
  37. PSG

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    The Browns could just wait it out completely. Wait for Flynn to go to Washington and Manning to go to Miami. They might not have to move up at all.
     
  38. Coral Reefer

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    Hope we continue to follow this course.
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  39. padre31

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    I really like Brandon Weeden as well, to me if you want a guy who can drop back 50 times and fling the rock, he's the most likely to do it and have a lot of success quickly, he has that sort of MMoore/gunslinger mentality that you just cannot coach into a player
     
  40. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Who cares he beat Luck, Griffin, Foles and Tannehill heads up? Must have been a fluke. Because everyone knows the Senior Bowl is everything.
     
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