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If we sign Manning...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Mar 7, 2012.

  1. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    ...should we draft a qb and groom him for a few years or wait a while? I personally would like to see hem sign a rookie qb and let him learn from Manning. Thoughts??
     
  2. Killerphins

    Killerphins The Finger

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    You sign a healthy Manning a young QB will have to go on the backburner.
    It would very much be a win right now situation.
     
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  3. Miamifan1354

    Miamifan1354 Not Good Enough.

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    I wouldn't draft a guy this year, but next year, yes. There is another great crop of Qb's coming out, and this year, you can show to Manning that you're happy with him. Knowing he only has 3-4 years left, you can draft a guy next year, and then have him ready in a season or two.
     
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  4. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    I agree, Killer...there is no room for a young gun with a healthy Manning. Obviously, we have to assume that IF they go after him, they think he's physically there or going to be there...

    One thing in his presser, Manning stated " I feel closer" and 'still have work to do'... Is an indicator that he's not there yet...not good news for us, imo. If they sign him not at wherever 100% will be for him, then what if he doesn't get there ?? I still have reservations about whether he can be the Manning of 2009....
     
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  5. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    Tbh, that's not even on my mind right now and won't be for a while if Peyton ends up here.
     
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  6. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Then as I've said, that's a failure on Jeff Ireland's part. It doesn't intrinsically make signing Manning a bad decision.
     
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  7. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Yes but not in the first round. Get someone like Cousin or Jeff Brantley in the later rounds to learn under Manning who is no direct threat to start anytime soon.
     
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  8. MikeHoncho

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    Not at the moment. God forbid something goes horribly wrong we can draft Barkley next year. That said, GO GET MANNING!
     
  9. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    First of all, I think signing a healthy Manning would be the Dolphins best opportunity of being a playoff team in the near future. That being stated, I have been saying all along that I will be very surprised if Manning ends up with the Dolphins. I tend to think that he is more likely to end up with the Jets, Redskins, Seahawks, or Cardinals, than as a Miami Dolphin. I also would not count out the Titans as a possible player for Manning, since he is loved in the state of Tennessee.

    Unfortunately if no trade is made to move up and select RG3, and if Manning doesn't decide to sign with the Dolphins, I just don't see the Dolphins being able to get a QB this year which will improve this position over the long run. I am not that high on Flynn and I don't think that there is a QB in the draft, after Luck and RG3, who will be a quality starter in the NFL in the future.

    To me, it is either RG3 or Manning this year, or it is wait until 2013 and hope there is a possibility to trade up and get Matt Barkley in next years draft.
     
  10. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I think you always have to be looking towards the future, so I would have QB prospects on my board, and would draft one if the opportunity presents itself. I seriously doubt the GB Packers had drafting a QB as a priority in '05, much less one in the first round. But, when Aaron Rodgers fell to them, they didn't hesitate. Not to mention, no one (even Manning himself) knows his future in terms of his neck injury issues. Moore represents a great back up, but IMHO this franchise still needs it's franchise QB of the future. Signing Manning doesn't change that. It simply takes some of the pressure off in the short term.

    JMHO.
     
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  11. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I don't see another Aaron Rodgers on the board after RG3 and Luck are drafted first and second in this years draft. So when the Dolphins are on the clock in the first round, they need to draft an offensive lineman, defensive lineman, LB, or safety. They certainly don't need to waste a first round pick on the QB's who will be left after RG3 and Luck are off the board.

    I have been saying all along that the Dolphins should take Kellen Moore in the fourth or fifth round. I think he will be every bit as good as Tannehill, Weeden, or any of the other second tier QB's in this draft and he certainly won't cost the Dolphins a high draft pick for his services.
     
  12. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I think you may have misunderstood the point I was trying to make. The Aaron Rodgers example was just that...an example. My point was I think it is still important to keep looking ahead in terms of trying to insure stability at the QB position. Like I said, I would have QB prospects on my board, and would draft one if the opportunity presents itself. That could be at any time during the draft (or FA period for that matter), and is not solely a first round issue. And, whether or not they sign Peyton doesn't change that philosophy. It merely takes some of the pressure off.
     
  13. DevilFin13

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    Now that it's more likely we get Manning I'm more convinced we should stick with Matt Moore. And I say that not because I think Manning won't be better than him if healthy. I think he would, at least once he learned the offense and the players. But it's a very short term solution. And while I think we would challenge for a wild card or the division, I don't think Manning makes us a SB contender. But even aside from injury, I would expect a regression in his game simply because of age.

    And if Manning turns out to be better than Moore we will be stuck with a middle to late first round draft picks and lesser odds at getting a young QB. By sticking with Moore we at least get to see if he can build off last season and become a good QB. If he stays the same we have a mid round pick to use to draft a guy, or maybe a guy from this draft who sat a year can step in when Moore is a FA in 2013.

    If you believe Manning is the final piece you are going to disagree. But I guess I'm just too worried about our lack of pass rush and inability to create turnovers to think we have a defense that can help the team contend for a SB. I think with Manning playing well we are still an incomplete team. Yeah, so were the Giants and Pats. But they had luck on their side. Do you, as a Dolphins fan, really want to gamble the next few years in part on luck?
     
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  14. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    No. Peyton Manning is going to defy age and medical facts and play forever. No need to get a young quarterback.
     
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  15. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Obviously you did not understand my point. I agree that the Dolphins should look at the QB position in the draft. I just don't feel that there are any top QB's available except for Luck and RG3. If the Dolphins can't get one of these QB's by trading up in the draft. I just don't think they should waste a pick on the likes of Tannehill, Weeden, or any of the other second tier QB's in the first three rounds.

    I figure Kellen Moore will still be around in the fourth round and I think he will be just as reliable in the NFL as any of the other second tier QB's. This also won't require the Dolphins to waste an earlier pick on a QB in this years draft.
     
  16. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I understood your point, which is why I didn't understand why you quoted my prior post. We're both basically saying the same thing...I think.
     
  17. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Peyton will make everyone on the team better. Imagine Bess and Fasano with Peyton? Or the defense finally having TDs and not field goals to protect.
     
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  18. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    If you have a QB as the BPA on your board when it's time to pick, you absolutely take him. If you don't get that opportunity by the 3rd or 4th round you may reach for a project. Really depends what they think of Devlin though.
     
  19. dolfan7171

    dolfan7171 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the comments guys!!
     
  20. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I forgot you have the 100% knowledge of his medical situation. When was it that you examined him again?
     
  21. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Doesn't matter. I've seen hundreds of others with the same condition. Unlike you, I actually see this all day, every day. I know what the end results of this problem are, and those end results aren't going to change just because this is Peyton Manning. You know what they call people who have had three surgeries for the same problem and no results? Disabled. Forgive me if I don't jump for joy over the potential signing of a player who would be considered disabled if he was in the general population.
     
  22. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    LOLOL at a guy that can throw a football 40 mph accurately being "disabled". Regardless of if you think he can play at close to a level that he was at, he is clearly not "disabled", especially in terms of the general population.

    Edit: Still laughing. That is so utterly ridiculous.
     
  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    So, how long have you been practicing medicine?
     
  24. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    First of all, your own statements refute your point by saying he has made no progress.

    It's obvious that he has made progress. You can deny that if you choose.

    Second, (again, regardless of if he attains his previous level of play) Peyton Manning can likely throw a football better than 99.9% of the population. If that is what his injury is affecting, then how can you--medically or otherwise--literally label him as "disabled"? If you are comparing him to the population, and he outperforms the population significantly, it is ridiculous to say he is disabled.

    If you are using disabled as a synonym for impaired, then yes, you could define him as disabled. But in this setting, that is giving the wrong impression because that is not what disabled means to the population that is reading this forum. If someone who is "disabled" is in the top .1% of the general population, then it doesn't really have a ton of meaning does it? Whether or not I practice medicine is irrelevant.
     
  25. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    If Osweiler slips to the 3rd round, I think he would be worth taking there...I also like Cousins.....Tannehill and Weeden will go too early. I think Osweiler and Cousins both have great potential.
     
  26. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Never mind, KB. He's a 21 year old who still knows everything, like I did at that age. Four surgeries in the same spot are enough for me to pull the plug on anything to do with Manning - specially the nerves to his RIGHT arm. Hope Ross has the brains to pound sand and realizes the risk percentage is way higher than the reward probability!
     
  27. Laces Out

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    Dude.....Peyton Manning for his whole career has had a very AVERAGE arm, but what sets him apart is his uncanny ability to see 3 steps ahead. He knows what the defenses are going to do before they know what they are going to do, and is the best in the business of making adjustments based off of that. He is also amazing at getting defenses to show their true look pre-snap as well........
     
  28. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Manning this year, trade our entire draft for Barkley next year.
     
  29. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    Also known as the ditka plan....no thanks
     
  30. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    Sigh. Great logic. I can't disagree with anyone because I am younger.

    I have not said whether I am for or against Manning, feel free to read my posts. I am simply saying it's laughable to label him as disabled, especially compared to the population. When he is 60, yeah, maybe he will be. But he isn't right now, by the majority of peoples' definitions of disabled. If you disagree, provide some rational, don't just call me a know it all.
     
  31. Firesole

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    Grant Hill laughs at your diagnosis
     
  32. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    That's not true. Average arm strength, sure. But to say he throws a football very averagely is just wrong. And an average arm in the NFL is way above the average of the population.
     
  33. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    You sign Manning ,you must still draft a QB to be groomed.
     
  34. Laces Out

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    Do you read? Or do you argue like a woman and focus on words? I never said that he throws averagely, I said he has a very average arm. Comparing athletes who do the job day in and day out to average people is like comparing apples to dog dookie.....
     
  35. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    Yes, do you read? If you meant average arm strength, I said sure to that. To me, having an average arm consists of more than simply arm strength.
     
  36. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I forgot NFL teams dont have doctors that tell them things. Apparently you are just smarter than everyone else on Earth. Maybe you should be an NFL doctor seeing as you know so much.

    For the record I know it is a very real possibility he does not recover. I just think your attitude is ridiculous. You don't know more than anyone else, and if NFL teams were being told what you are saying no-one would sign him. Obviously they aren't.
     
  37. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    That's actually pretty offensive. My point is not that I know, my point is that he does not know better than anyone else. But keep being judgemental, it's what keeps the world in the condition it's in. Thumbs up.
     
  38. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    No, it's not offensive. I was 21 once a very long time ago. And I thought I knew everything and no one could convince me that I might be wrong. Age and experience, however, did that job convincingly. Sometimes, when one has been around the block a few dozen times and has dodged enough falling bricks, one begins to know where they might be coming from. Four surgeries in the nerves of a throwing arm are not conducive to longevity in a career. NFL hired doctors are known to..... ah...... fudge some figures and facts depending on who is asking the question..... and QB's with injuries are not known to have productive seasons the first season back - Drew Brees notwithstanding. There are a whole lot more obscured by history who have tried the same thing and failed. Just because his name is Peyton and he already has his HOF ticket punched does not mean he will automatically come back with the same ability and skills. Putting the next five to eight years of the franchise's future on that gamble is not one I would make. But then again, I've be around 62 years and seem a lot of them fail,some for far more important reasons the football!
     
  39. 2k5

    2k5 I miss Ted Ginn Jr.

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    None of what you said about Manning is anything that I've argued about. Plenty of people have convinced me that I am wrong on many different issues. It is offensive.
     
  40. Dolphin1184

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    As entertaining as the usless ad hominem arguments in this thread are.... lets get back on topic.

    If we do get Manning, we definitely have to consider getting a young QB. However the question is if we should focus on strengthening our oline first?
     

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