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  1. ckparrothead

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    First off, I wrote another article about 5 Pro Day performances I'm looking forward to...

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1090940-nfl-draft-2012-five-pro-days-were-looking-forward-to

    Second, I would like to, if we can, have this thread be one where we discuss Pro Day developments.

    For instance, the best offensive lineman I saw at Shrine practice, Brandon Brooks of Miami of Ohio had a WHALE of a Pro Day showing. He should have been invited to the NFL Scouting Combine. He was not. This is a guy that I saw measure up at Shrine practice every bit of 6'5" and 346 lbs, and yet you LOOK at him with pads on and this is not at all a fat player. He carries the weight like Dontari Poe does. I watched him in practice and he was QUICK and AGILE with all that weight, and he looked powerful, too. I wasn't familiar with the guy at all but I was shocked there would be such a diamond in the rough out there. On several practice reps he would actually neutralize two defenders at once at the second level in the briar patch, one with each hand, very powerful punching. At his pro day he ran a 5.00 and 4.98 in the 40 yard dash which is outstanding. He ran a 4.58 in the short shuttle which is again outstanding at nearly 350 lbs. He did a 7.42 three-cone drill, again superb. He did 36 bench reps at 225 lbs, again superb. His 32 inch vertical and 8'9" broad jump at that size...just all the way around there isn't a single result that is not mind boggling.

    On the other hand, Orson Charles had his Pro Day today at UGA. I don't know what his other measures were, but I hear he ran a 4.75 and a 4.90 in the 40 yard dash...and that just stinks. He chose not to run in Indianapolis, yet it wasn't an injury issue as he participated in all the field drills. That puts pressure on you to run well at your Pro Day. There were winds of 20 to 30 miles per hour at the Pro Day, so many are excusing it. However, to me the wind would be the reason for the discrepancy between a 4.75 (with the wind) and a 4.90 (against the wind). Either way, this is a disastrous showing for a man that on film looked TINY and had speed as his greatest and only weapon. My guess is he bulked up big time to get up to the 251 lbs he showed at the Combine, with all that strength that let him lift the bar 35 times, but that bulk made him slow. Even so, the bulk only made him 6'2" and 250 lbs which is still small for the position. No amount of bench press prowess is going to give you ballast and strength to be an effective blocker at that position when you're a small guy. This is why Bill Walsh always explained that with offensive linemen, he's not looking for bench numbers, he's looking for what he referred to as bone girth. The bench just shows if you've been diligent about your weight room training.

    I hear D.J. Woods the receiver at Cincinnati had a good pro day.
     
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    http://www.gbnreport.com/prodayupdates.html

    At the Bearcats pro day, 28 of 32 NFL were represented including almost a full contingent of staff from the hometown Bengals who spent a lot of time with RB Isaiah Pead. Star of the day, though, was unheralded TE Adrien Robinson, who started only one year for the Bearcats, and caught just 12 passes in that season, but he turned in an eye-opening athletic performance as the 6-4, 264-pounder ran the 40 in the 4.55 range, while posting jumps of 39.5 inches in the vertical and 11-3 in the broad jump; he also clocked 4.37 in the short shuttle, 11.59 in the long shuttle and 7.11 in the 3-cone drill, each of which would have put him in the top 5 at the position at the combine. Meanwhile, QB Zach Collaros measured in at just 5-11 and 217 pounds, but posted a decent 4.73 40 clocking and reportedly threw the ball well, while WR DJ Woods (5-10, 180) ran a respectable 4.50 40 and had a 37-inch vertical, but managed only 9 reps in the bench press. LB JK Schaffer measured in at 6-0, 237 and posted a solid 26 reps in the BP, but didn't run because of an injury.
     
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    Wow, those are some pretty great measurements for Adrien Robinson.
     
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    I still can't shake the image of D.J. Woods inexplicably fumbling the football whilst not getting touched against Oklahoma two years ago. Cost the Bearcats an upset win.
     
  5. ckparrothead

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    Keeps getting worse for Orson Charles. As I suspected the disparity between the 4.75 he ran and the 4.90 was because the 4.75 was with the 20-30 mph winds at his back. The 4.90 was running against the wind. Everyone talking about how you need to toss out the 40's because of the wind, keep that in mind. Even aided by those winds which made it impossible at times to throw the football (reportedly), he only ran a 4.75.

    The lack of athleticism is disturbing but the implications are more disturbing. He made his decision to go pro very last minute, 11th hour. He showed a lax attitude at the Combine, couldn't follow directions several times, like he wasn't taking things seriously. He came in a jacked up, muscle-bound 251 lbs on that 6024 frame of his, which is way bigger than he was in college, and of course he was able to do 35 reps on the bench. But his decision to get so rocked up clearly had a negative effect on his athleticism. Just all the way around the guy is showing a questionable attitude and pattern of decision making.

    If you're going to be small, among the smallest tight ends in pro football, you'd better be fast and athletic like Dustin Keller. He wasn't the college football player that D.J. Williams was, and Williams went in the 5th round at the same size with better athleticism.
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

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    Well Orson Charles you lost some money... I'd take a chance on him in the late rounds.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    A guy to watch out for in a few days would be Northwester WR Jeremy Ebert. He popped out at me while I was trying to look at tape of Drake Dunsmore.

    At 5'11" and 195 lbs he should run into the low 4.4's if not lower. He led the Big Ten in receiving yardage per game in 2010 and was 2nd team All Big Ten in 2011. He had 564 yards and 6 TDs on 47 catches against the meat of his Big Ten schedule, Illinois, Michigan, Iowa, Penn State, Nebraska and Michigan State in 2011. His 6 catch for 147 yard and 1 TD performance against Nebraska was a big reason the unranked Northwestern was able to beat the #10 ranked Cornhuskers even though Dan Persa left the game in the first half injured.

    When you watch him you really have to admire how everything he does is at full speed. He speeds into everything and that's really good for a lot of rhythm and timing offenses that count on you to be a certain place at a certain time. He's not sudden like a Devon Wylie, so he may have trouble with tight and physical man coverage. He doesn't run after the catch with creativity, but he does run after the catch with tremendous speed and gearing. He puts on a 5th gear and then leaves the defense in the dust. The thing he does the absolute best, and it's really something to behold, is track the ball in the air and adjust on it at full speed with zero problems, putting himself in position to make the catch with soft hands. It's uncanny. You THINK he's covered, you really do. But he's not, because he's the only one really playing the ball in the air and he quickly adjusts his running and his body to get under it. This is ultimately why he may beat man coverage in the NFL, because with his speed he could get his man coverage turned and once that happens, the quarterback can just lay the ball out there, anywhere really, and Jeremy Ebert will be the only guy playing the ball in the air. That ability makes him dangerous against man, and the ability to speed into the holes in the zones makes him a natural player running routes against the zone. Because he has the ability to be dangerous against both styles, that's why I think he's an interesting late round target, especially if the Dolphins lose out and don't get hold of a Devon Wylie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7lUa0u_aVY&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML623rryw8A&feature=related
     
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    Next batch of news: http://www.gbnreport.com/prodayupdates.html

    Indiana - WR Damarlo Belcher fessed up to NFL personnel people at the Hoosiers' pro day that he was dismissed from the team nine games into the season for failing a drug test. Unheraded CB Dre Muhammad reportedly turned some heads after running a 4.39 forty.

    Georgia - All but two (Dallas and Chicago) were represented at the UGA workout, but winds gusting to 20 MPH put something of a damper on things especially for TE Orson Charles who hoped to make a statement and run under 4.7 for the 40. Instead, Charles was only able to average around 4.82 while running into the wind and against the wind. Charles, though, impressed in the bench press where he had 35 reps and reportedly was fluid in positional drills, but his leaps of 30-inches in the vertical and 9-5 broad jump would have been in the lower half of those at the combine. CB Brandon Boykin weighed in at 181 pounds and did 16 reps in the bench press but didn't run as he is still rehabbing from a broken fibula suffered at the Senior owl; Boykin hopes to hold a private workout on April 9.

    Hawaii - With the exception of half dozen or so teams, just about everyone was reresented at the Hawai'i workout where LB Corey Paredes ran a 4.55 40, while WR Royce Pollard clocked a 4.57 and LB Aaron Brown a 4.77.
     
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    More pro day updates:

    Georgia Tech - Attendance was not taken, but it is believed that all 32 NFL teams were represented at the Georgia Tech pro day where head coaches Mike Smith of Atlanta and Chicago's Lovie Smith were in attendance. And while it was as much a courtesy call for the Falcons' Smith, the Bears' Smith had to come half way across the country, just possibly to check out Yellow Jackets' WR Stephen Hill who has been rocketing up draft boards across the league after he put on a very athletic show at the combine that included a 4.36 40 clocking. Hill didn't run at the Tech pro day, but did do positional drills and reportedly caught the ball very well. Fellow WRs Embry Peeples (4.50), Roddy Jones (4.53) and Tyler Melton (4.59) did run with mixed results, while LB Steven Sylvester had a decent day posting a 4.75 40 clocking and 23 reps in the bench press. DE Jason Peters led all Yellow Jackets with 28 BP reps, while running a 4.83 40, while CB Rashaad Reid ran a 4.56 forty.

    Arkansas - After a disappointing combine that culminated a disappointing senior season, WR Greg Childs had scouts going back to tape from his junior season after a very athletic performance at the Hogs' pro day. Childs cut more than a tenth off his average combine 40 time (4.55) as he ran under 4.45 seconds today; he also bested his vertical at the combine by over 4 inches as he leapt 40-6 inches. On the other hand, WR Joe Adams wasn't able to better his combine time in the 40 as he again clocked a 4.55, while fellow WR Jairus Wright stood on his electric 4.42 time from the combine. All three wideouts then caught passes from former Arkansas QB Rayn Mallett who returned to campus to help out his former teammates.

    Auburn - No Cam Newton this year, but a couple of former Tigers who were overlooked when the combine invites were sent out had impressive workouts for pro scouts that came to Auburn's pro day. SS Neiko Thorpe, in particular, ran under 4.45 seconds for the 40, while posting a vertical leap of 38 inches and 11-5 in the BJ, although he also only managed 4 reps in the bench press. LB Eltoro Freemen, on the other hand, led the way today with 28 reps in the bench press, while posting a 4.82 40 time as well as impressive leaps of 36.5 inches in the vertical and 11-5 in the broad.
     
  10. ckparrothead

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    I'd love to get a confirmation on Josh Chichester's Pro Day numbers, hearing he ran a 4.6.

    One thing lost in the talk about the Arkansas Pro Day where Greg Childs shined, was the fact that it was Ryan Mallett that came back and threw all the passes for Joe Adams, Jarius Wright and Greg Childs.

    Nice, subtle little move by Bill Belichick, marching Ryan Mallett out in front of all these scouts to give them a reminder, "Hey, you guys remember this guy you let get into the 3rd round because of character issues, even though he throws the ball really really well? He's still here and all he's done this year for us is work hard, keep his mouth shut and participate in lots of local charities. Call me."
     
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    Any words on bama pro day? Kirpatrick and Hightower looks solid. I see the steelers trading up to grab him since IMO he would fit them perfectly

    Pain reference to Kirkpatrick
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Thought I heard that Upshaw angered some scouts by deciding not to participate in this Alabama Pro Day. I think there's a second one.
     
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    Yup...and his stock will plummet for it... I honestly don't like upshaw, physically he's a great package but I feel from watching only 4-5 bama games he gets winded quick and thinks a little too highly of himself as a player. iMO I'm a very clean cut, disciplined athlete kind of guy from higher education schools. And yes I do pay close attention to the wonderlic. I know plenty of great players don't have the brain to make Mac and cheese but are very good at football..
     
  14. Gunner

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    Every year you see one knuckle head really ruin any opportunity he has leading up to the draft. This year's winner? Orson Charles:

    Georgia TE Orson Charles, one of the top prospects at the position for the upcoming draft, was reportedly arrested early this morning and charged with driving under the influence. Charles was booked by local police in Athens and released on bail, however, it is not the kind of thing that helps one’s grade in the weeks before the draft.

    After a really poor pro day ... that was the last thing that dude needed to do
     
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    A whole bunch more pro day updates:

    Clemson - DT Brandon Thompson, who did not run at the combine posted a 5.16 40 time at the Clemson pro day. Thompson's time included a quick 1.77 ten-yard split.

    Northwestern - Representatives from 25 teams attended the NU workout where WR Jeremy Ebert stood out. Ebert, who was not invited to the combine, ran a 4.38-second 40-yard dash, managed 16 reps in the bench press and reportedly looked smooth in his route running and receiving. Ebert caught passes from QB Dan Persa, who weighed in at 210 pounds and threw the ball impressively from the pocket. Persa also ran a 4.85 40 and had a vertical leap of 32 inches.

    Washington - About half of NFL teams sent reps to the Washington pro day including a large contingent of Seattle scouts, although no one from the Seahawks front office. RB Chris Polk weighed in at 212, down three or so pounds from the combine and over 10 pounds less than at the Senior Bowl. Running indoors, Polk reportedly posted a 4.49 electronic time in the 40-yard dash, down from his disappointing time of 4.57 at the combine. On the other hand, WR Jermaine Kearse did not significantly improve on his combine 40 time of 4.58 seconds and reportedly was not all that crisp getting in and out of his breaks, but did catch the ball well. WR Devin Aguilar in at 5-11, 200 pounds and ran in the mid-to high 4.5 range, while CB Quinton Richardson, who was never that productive at Washington, measured in at 5-11, 204 pounds and reportedly ran the 40 in just under 4.40 seconds.

    Nebraska - As many as 22 teams were represented at the Nebraska pro day where DE Jared Crick, who didn’t lift at the because he was still recovering from a torn pectoral muscle, managed a decent, but hardly great, 26 reps in the bench press. Meanwhile, WR Brandon Kinnie ran well positing in the 4.45 range in the 40.

    Mississippi State - About half of the 32 teams in the NFL were present at the Mississippi State workout including the defensive line coaches for both Pittsburgh and Kansas City as well as Green Bay director of college scouting John Dorsey. The guy they were there to see was DT Fletcher Cox who for the most part stood on his excellent combine performance and looked good in positional drills. RB Vick Ballard was able to take a tenth of a second off his somewhat disappointing combine 40 time of 4.65. Running on a fast indoor track, Ballard timed in the 4.55 range and also looked solid in positional drills during which he showed good blitz pick-up skill and also caught the ball well. A couple of former Bulldogs’ offensive linemen not invited to the combine all got some long looks from NFL teams in attendance. OT James Carmon measured in at 6-6, 330 with long arms and ran in the mid-5.30 for the 40, while posting decent shuttle times for a big OL of 7.73 in the 3-cone drill and 4.80 in the short shuttle; Carmon, though, only managed 22 reps in the bench press. Fellow OT Carl Lawrence wasn’t as big at 6-4, 303, but was quicker and more athletic running the 40 in the mid-5.2 range, while posting 28 reps in the BP.

    Syracuse - Scouts from 29 NFL teams were at the Syracuse pro day where DE Chandler Jones reportedly looked smooth in positional drills for both a traditional 4-3 DE and 3-4 rush LB despite having battled the flu the past several days. Junior WR/KR Dorian Graham, who was not at the combine also impressed with an athletic vertical jump of 41 inches. The best story at SU, though, may have been the participation of P Rob Long, a 2010 grad, who is healthy and kicking again after undergoing successful treatment for brain cancer.

    Colorado - Roughly half of the teams in the NFL were Roughly half of the teams in the NFL were represented at the Buffs’ on-campus workout where RB Rodney Stewart had a solid day. Stewart, one of the top RB prospects not invited to the combine, ran a decent 4.54 40, but was quicker in the agility drills where he timed 4.01 in the short shuttle and 6.81 in the 3-cone drill, both of which would have put him among the leaders at the position at the combine. Stewart also had decent numbers in both the BP (21 reps) and vertical (36). WR Toney Clemons also showed some pure speed running the 40 in under 4.40 seconds while posting times of 4.33 in the short shuttle and 6.93 in the 3-cone drill as well as a 36-inch vertical. TE Ryan Deehan, though, wasn’t as quick as he barely broke the 5-flat mark in the 40, while QB Tyler Hansen clocked a 4.90 40.

    Utah State - There were 15 NFL scouts on hand for the Utah State pro day where RB Michael Smith put on a very athletic performance. Smith who shared carries with Robert Taubin, who was invited to the combine, ran under 4.40 seconds in the 40, had a 40.5-inch vertical and even put up 23 reps in the bench press. Following the test and drills, some scouts put several players through separate drills, such as Smith and Turbin running routes and catching passes.

    Western Kentucky - There were scouts from only to teams - San Francisco and Tennessee - at the WKU pro day where RB Bobby Rainey had a good day. Rainey, WKU’s all-time leading rusher, but was no invited to the combine, ran the 40 in the low-to-mid 4.5 range and showed better quickness in the 3-cone drill where his time of 6.61 seconds would have been the second best among RBs at the combine. Meanwhile CB Derrius Brooks likely sent NFL pro personnel people back to the WKU tapes when he ran under 4.40 seconds in the 40, posted a 38-inch vertical and like Rainey posted a quick 3-cone drill time of 6.61 that would also have been the best among all corners at the combine.

    Miami - The Hurricnes had as many bubble players not invited to the combine this year and several of those had solid performances at the Miami pro day. DT Micanor Regis measured in at 6-2.3, 304 and ran a very respectable 5.10 40 for a man that size; Regis also had a 30.5-inch vertical, posted 26 reps in the bench press and clocked 7.99 in the 3-cone drill. Meanwhile, both WR LaRon Byrd and TE Chase Ford also showed good speed for propsects at their respective positions. Byrd clocked a 4.46, had a 35-inc vertical and managed 15 reps in the bench press, but his 3-cone drill time of (7.07) was a little slow compared with WRs at the combine. For his part, Ford ran a 4.76 40, had a 33-inch vertical, and did 20 reps in the BP, while his 3-cone time of 7.34 was also relatively slow. C Tyler Horn measured in at 6-3.5, 297 and clocked a 5.26 seconds for the forty, had a 25-inch vertical leap, but manaed only 19 reps in the BP and was also slow in the 3-cone drill with a time of 8.16. On the other hand, DE Adewale Ojomo had a mostly disappointing day as the 6-3, 255-pounder ran a slow 4.95 forty, and an even lower 7.91 3-cone drill, while posting a 31-inch vertical and 23 reps in the bench press.

    Wisconsin - Badgers’ WR Nick Toon improved his somewhat disappointing combine 40 time by over a tenth of a second at the Badgers’ pro day. Toon, who was clocked in at 4.54 seconds at the combine, was timed in 4.43 at his on-campus workout Toon also improved his vertical by a couple of inches as he leaped 39 inches. CB Antonio Fenelus also improved his very slow combine time in the 40 (4.68) running a 4.51.DE Louis Nzegwu, who was not invited to the combine had a very athletic performance when the 250-pounder ran the 40 in 4.57 seconds, had a 41.5-inch vertical and a broad jump of almost 11 feet. FS Aaron Henry, one of the bigger surprises among those not invited to the combine, ran a 4.53 forty.

    Southern Cal - By all accounts, USC OT Matt Kalil turned in an excellent performance during position drills at the USC pro day, in the process confirming his status of one of, if not the top prospect for the 2012 draft at a position other than QB. Meanwhile, Marc Tyler had hoped to improve on his disappointing 4.76 40 time at the combine, but instead actually was slower clocking only a 4.81 time. The other newsworthy notes to come out of the USC pro day involve the health of DTs DaJohn Harris and Armond Armstead. Harris reportedly revealed that doctors at the combine found he has patent foramen ovale, that is, a small hole in the heart that increases vulnerability to a stroke, but Harris indicated that he has since been re-examined and was told that he's 100% healthy. On the other hand, Armstead, who was not cleared to play last season by USC after he was briefly hospitalized with an undisclosed illness last spring, measured in at 6-5, 285, but will not work out until April 9.

    Texas A&M - A&M QB Ryan Tannehill was again unable to workout as he continues to rehab from a foot injury; Tannehill, along with severl other top Aggies' prospects will work out at a special pro day on March 28. WR Jeff Fuller, who did not run at the combine, looked sluggish as he clocked a 4.65 in the 40, along with times of 4.35 in the short shuttle and 7.10 in the 3-cone drill, both of which would have been near the bottom of WRs at the combine.

    Louisville - WR Josh Bellamy ran well posting a 40-time uder 4.45 seconds.

    Kent State - Only 5 teams were at the KSU pro day, but they saw several athletic performances by former Flashes. Wide-body DT Ishmaa’ily Kitchen, for example, who weighed in at 335-pounds, did 35 reps in the bench press, ran a 5.35 forty and had a 31-inch vertical. C Chris Anzevino actually went one better than Kitchen when he did 36 reps in the bench press, ran well with times under 5.20 seconds in the 40 and 4.62 in the short shuttle and also posted a 31-inch vertical. Meanwhile, WR Sam Kirkland also put on athletic display, running the 40 in under 4.5 seconds, while posting a 44-inch vertical and a 10-10 broad jump.

    Alabama - All 32 NFL teams were represented at the Alabama pro day, although it wasn’t quite a who’s who in the league in attendance as most top personnel people will wait for a second Tide on-campus workout on March 29th when injured stars RB Trent Richardson, SS Mark Barron and LB Courtney Upshaw plan to workout. NT Josh Chapman, who is recovering from off-season knee surgery, also didn’t participate in on-field drills, but did 29 reps in the bench press. Chapman, though, does not expect to be fully healed until June or July so will not be able to workout prior to the draft. Tide players that did run the 40 today included CB DeQuan Menzie (4.61) and WR Darius Hanks (4.66) who both betterede their combine 40 times, although their pro day numbers still weren't al that good. Menzie, though, did post a pretty good time of 6.93 in the 3-cone drill. Meanwhile, LB Donta Hightower ran the short shuttle (4.68) and 3-cone drill (7.55), but both were less than impressive times that would have been the slowest at the position at the combine. One former Alabama player not at the combine who had a decent day was TE/FB Brad Smelley (6-2, 237) who ran a 4.77 40, while posting times of 4.50 in the short shuttle and 7.15 in the 3-cone drill.
     
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    From Tony Pauline at SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/tony_pauline/03/01/pro.days/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a15

    Tight end/wide receiver Josh Chichester ran times as fast as 4.57 seconds and touched 38 inches in the vertical after measuring 6-8 and 245 pounds. Finally, defensive end Greg Scruggs, who played in just nine games last season then was arrested in December for a DUI, ran in the mid 4.6s at 280 pounds. Always considered a tremendous athlete, Scruggs has never translated his natural physical gifts into full-time football production.

    And here is a local report on his pro day: http://westchesterbuzz.com/2012/03/08/west-chester’s-josh-chichester-excels-at-u-of-l-pro-day/
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    If my draft stock were plummeting so violently after I made a last minute decision to go pro, I'd be drinking too.
     
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    From mort's twitter:
     
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    Lots of really good stuff here.

    Jeremy Ebert is a guy I tabbed while watching film of Drake Dunsmore. Funny how that works out but I just couldn't help but notice this guy #11 that looks so fast and agile, like such a play maker, and I think he plays a little bigger than he's listed. I got to watching and researching him more and he was actually a very high production player, leading the Big Ten in receiver production in 2010. He had a good 2011, too. He's so fast, he stays in high gear in everything he does. What that means is sometimes he doesn't run the most sudden routes and cuts, but the speed helps him be where he needs to be when he needs to be there which is good against zones. In man he's fast enough to get the DBs pressing and then when the ball is in the air HE OWNS IT. It's his. His adjustment on the ball in the air is right up there with guys I've tabbed for that like Justin Blackmon and Devon Wylie. It might be better. It's at uncanny levels, like he's the only one playing the ball while everyone else is busy slapping their ***** around. The key is he does all this at high speed, which is why none of the guys in coverage with him are able to play the ball, they're all pressing. I've seen so many passes go right into a crowd full of defenders and it didn't matter because the defenders are all focused on Ebert and Ebert is focused on the ball. Anyway, he ran a 4.38 and that shows the speed I'm talking about.

    Michael Smith is actually a guy that caught my eye at Utah State more than Robert Turbin who was the headliner. Turbin to me is more of a Marion Barber, but more like a post-2007 Marion Barber. Turbin had a pretty decent Combine so maybe I'm not being fair on him but that's what I saw. Smith more compact, a better cutter, faster, more explosive...I just saw more NFL potential in him.

    Chase Ford running a 4.76 with a 33 inch vertical is a good result for him. The key is the guy is 6063 and 258 lbs. That's plenty of athlete for that frame and he DOMINATED at Shrine practice and even in the game. This is a guy that wasn't very productive but when I went back and watched the film I thought Miami just did a piss poor job of using him.

    Dont'a Hightower's ABYSMAL showing in the shuttle and cone drills (4.68 and 7.55) show you why I have not liked him as a prospect. SLUGGISH is the word. He has speed but it's purely BUILD-UP speed, which he showed at the Combine by running a 4.68 at 6'2" and 265 lbs. As Simon put it, in one of our initial Draft Winds pieces, he turns like a paddle steamer. I've always had him tabbed as more of a defensive end prospect than a true linebacker...but as a defensive end you wouldn't draft him before the 4th round or so. I wouldn't draft him before then as a linebacker, either.
     
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    I really like Michael Smith. He has all the tools to be successful at RB in this league.
     
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    Oklahoma State - There was a full house at the Oklahoma State pro day where WR Justin Blackmon probably didn't have a great pro day workout, but it was still probably good enough to solidify his status as a top 5-10 pick this year. Blackmon's official 40-time today was 4.46 seconds, although most teams are likely to tick that up into at least the low-4.5 range because of the fast track they run on at Oklahoma State. And that is just about what was expected from Blackmon who is not considered to have track speed. What would have hurt Blackmon would have been to run in the 4.55-4.60 area on that fast track. Blackmon also had a good, but not great 35-inch vertical and dropped a couple of passes in the positional drills. However, given his size, as well as the body of work over his college career, it would appear that Blackmon did enough today. Remember, too, that former Georgia WR A. J. Green was also only just okay as his workouts last spring, but still was chosen 4th overall by Cincinnati and went to have an excellent rookie season.During passing drills, QB Brandon Weeden completed only 41 of 51 pass attempts which actually isn’t all that impressive when throwing against air; Weeden also timed out in around 4.90 seconds for the 40. DE Jamie Blatnick ran the 40 in 4.76 seconds, an improvement over his combine time of 4.90, while WR Josh Cooper, who was at the combine, but did not participate in on-field workouts, ran the 40 in 4.62 seconds, but caught the ball. Meanwhile, FS Markelle Martin did not participate in Friday's workouts as he continues to rehab from a torn lateral meniscus in his knee that also kept him from participating in the on-field portion of the combine. OT Levy Adcock, a surprise non-invitee to the combine, measured in at 6-5.5, 320 and posted decent numbers, clocking in the 5.25-5.30 range for the the 40, while registering a 27.5 vertical, 9-foot BJ, as well as times of 4.84 in the short shuttle and 7.84 in the 3-cone drill, but did not do the bench press.

    Wyoming - Cowboys' junior RB Alvester Alexander ran well at the Wyoming pro-day. Alexander, who in at 5-11, 206, ran the 40 in around 4.4 seconds.
     
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    Pittsburgh - Pitt CB Buddy Jackson, who started one game in 4 seasons and never intercepted a pass, turned in one of the more athletic performances of the pre-draft process as he reportedly ran in the low 4.30-range in the 40 with at least one team clocking him unofficially as low as 4.25; Jackson also had a remarkable 11-9 broad jump. Meanwhile, both DT Chas Alecxih and DE/OLB Brandon Lindsey took up to a couple of tenths off their disappointing 40 times of 5.41 and 4.93 respectively.

    Tulsa - WR/KR Damaris Johnson was back on campus at Tulsa where he worked out well with his former teammates, but probably felt more pressure answering questions about an incident that got him suspended for the year after he and his girlfriend were charged with felony embezzlement of merchandise from a department store that she worked in. There will also be questions about Johnson‘s size as he measured in at only 5-7, 171. Johnson, who became the NCAA’s career leader in all-purpose despite not playing as a senior, ran well, clocking under 4.50 seconds in the 40-yard dash, had a vertical leap of 30 inches, and managed 13 reps in the bench press. Meanwhile, QB G.J. Kinne measured in at 6-1, 223 and ran a quick 4.60 40, while Canadian OT Tyler Holmes tipped the scales at 6-4, 307 and ran a 5.40 40 while posting 23 reps in the bench press. Unheralded DT Tyrunn Walker showed some surprising athleticism as the 6-4, 298-pounder ran under 5.00 seconds for the 40.

    Texas Christian - Approximately 14 NFL teams had scouts at the TCU pro day where CB/KR Greg Jones reportedly ran just under 4.50 seconds in the 40 and had a 38-inch vertical, while WR Jonathan Jones had a 40.5-inch vertical.

    Florida International - All 32 NFL teams were reportedly represented at the FIU pro day where T.Y. Hilton, who didn't run at the combine because of a quad injury, showed some speed runnning the 40 in the 4.40 range with some teams getting him as low as 4.35. Hilton also posted a 7.06 clocing in the 3-cone drill, while QB Wesley Carroll measured in at 6-1, 202 and ran in the 4.70 range.
     
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    Let's start looking at wrs...
     
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    Florida - Attendance wasn't takenm, but it appeared to be far from a full house at the Gators' pro day with only one NFL head coach - Jacksonville’s Mike Mularkey, a former Gator who works just down the road - in attendance. WR/RB/KR Chris Rainey, a former track star who was considered to be one of the fastest players in the country, but who only ran a 4.50 forty at the combine, was reportedly closer to the expected 4.3 ark at the Florida pro day. Meanwhile, QB John Brantley ran in the 4.8 area and reportedly threw the bal well after working on his mechanics and footwork the part couple of months.

    Toledo - Scouts from roughly 17 NFL teams showed up for the Rockets' pro day where ultra-productive WR Eric Page ran the 40 in the mid-4.50 range, a modest improvement from his disappointing 4.60 time at the combine. Fellow WR Kenny Stafford ran even better running in the 4.40 range for the 40-yard dash.

    Western Michigan - WMU WR Jordan White ran the 40 in just over 4.60 seconds which isn't vey good, but at least slightly better than the rather pedestrian 4.69 he clocked at the combine.
     
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    I sense some bias in these reports. Some scouts had Blackmon's second run as low as a 4.39 but no mention of that, just a 4.46 with a note that it'll be revised up to the 4.5's. Yet with T.Y. Hilton, there's a note that some scouts had him in the 4.3's. Also talking about Weeden's 41 of 51 completions against air without mentioning the 6 drops is a little irresponsible.
     
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    Michigan - An estimated 25 NFL teams had reps in Michigan to watch the Wolverines' pro day. That crowd included a full contingent from Pittsburgh including head coach Mike Tomlin and G.M. Kevin Colbert who were there likely to have another look at NT Mike Martin, who stood on his combine numbers, but was reportedly very quick and explosive in positional drills. In fact, most of the Wolverines' top prospects stuck with their combine numbers. CB Troy Woolfolk, who was not at the combine, though, did a full workout. The 5-11, 195-pound Woolfolk ran the 40 in the mid-to-high 4.5 range and had a 31-inch vertical, neither of which was particularly impressive, but managed 20 reps in the BP and had better times of 4.19 seconds in in the short shuttle, and 6.77 in the 3-cone drill. Meanwhile, DT Ryan Van Bergen, a 291-pounder who looks to be best suited to play a 5-tech DE at the next level, did 31 reps in the BP, while running as low as the low 4.90 range for the 40. Unheralded WRs Martavious Odoms and Kelvin Grady both ran under 4.5 seconds for the 40. TE Kevin Koger was not able to run a 40-yard dash due to a tweaked hamstring. Unheralded TE Steve Watson, who shifted from offense to defense throughout his UM career, did run and drew some attention when he ran the 40 in the low 4.6s.

    Louisiana Tech - LBs Adrien Cole and Jay Dudley both had pretty good days at the Louisiana Tech pro day. Cole measured in at just 5-10.5, consideredably shorter than NFL teams generally like their MLBs, but he ran reasonably well, posting times of 4.70 in the 40, 4.22 in the short shuttle and 6.99 in the 3-cone drill, each of which would have been among the top half of inside backers at the combine. Whereas Cole is a squatish LB, Dudley, who measured in at 6-4, 226 is longer and leaner, but also posted pretty good times of 4.72 in the 40, 4.25 in the short shuttle and 7.13 in the 3-cone drill. At the same time, DE Matt Broha (6-4, 255) ran a 4.82 40, while clocking decent times of 4.50 in the short shuttle and 7.26 in the 3-cone.

    Virginia - All 32 teams were represneted at the UVA pro day where DE Cam Johnson stood on most of his combine numbers, but did particiate in positional drills and reportedly didn’t look out of place when asked to take part in LB drills. CB Chase Minnifield, who did not run at the combine as he was recovering from ankle surgery, was only able to run in the mid-4.6 range and then sat out other drills complaining of tightness in a hamstring. The consensus appears to be that Minnifield stock was already slipping and his pro day efforts aren't likely to stop the bleeding.

    Oklahoma - Best news of the day at the Sooners' pro day was that star DE Frank Alexander, the Big XII's defensive player of the year this season, was simply able to play after he was forced to sit out last month's combine with a heart problem. So it was icing on the cake for the 6-4, 271-pound Alexander who had a pretty decent day running the 40 in 4.76 while posting a 34.5-inch vertical and a 9-9 BJ. Alexander's shuttle times, though, weren't as good as only timed 4.57 seconds in the short shuttle and 7.55 in the 3-cone which would have been near the bottom for the position at the combine. At the same time, OG Stephen Good lived up to his name and had a good workout. The 6-5, 291-pounder did 34 reps in the BP, while running a 5.13 forty and posting jumps of 30inches in the vertical and 9-4 in the BJ. SS Sam Proctor (6-0, 220) had an athletic 36-inch vertical and a 10-4 BJ, but only timed 4.67 seconds in the forty and 7.23 in the 3-cone, while he had a decent time of 4.23 in the short shuttle. Perhaps the most athletic performance of the day though was turned in by LS James Washington, a 6-3, 210-pounder who had a 38-inch vertical and a 11-5 BJ, while running the 40 in 4.58 seconds and posting good times in the agility drills.

    California - An estimated 25 teams were represented at the Cal pro day where scouts were treated to several athletic performances. LB Mychal Kendricks, who had one of the most athletic performnces at last month's combine, for example, was able to add to those credentials when he posted a time of 6.70 in the 3-cone drill; that's a full two-tenths faster than any LB at the combine. Meanwhile, safety D.J. Campbell posted a solid all-around performance with 22 bench press reps that would have tied for first among safeties at the combine, while he ran a quick 4.51 40-yard dash and had leaps of 38-inches in the vertical and 10-7 in the BJ, each of which would have been among the leaders at the position at the combine. The most surprising reslts at the Cal pro day, though, may have been recorded by WR Michael Calvin, who only caught 20 passes this fall, but made the all-workout team when the 6-2, 215-pounder ran in the 4.35 area for the forty in windy, rainy conditions, while posting leaps of 40.5 inches in the vertical and 11-1 in the BJ.

    Florida State - For the most part, FSU combine invitees Nigel Bradham, Zebrie Sanders and Andrew Datko stood on their efforts in Indianapolis. Other former Seminoles who did work out included WR Bert Reed, who ran a solid enough 4.46 40, but had relatively slow clockings of 4.32 in the short shuttle and 7.21 in the 3-cone drill; the 5-10, 183-pound Reed also had a 34-inch vertical and a 10-2 BJ. In fact, there wasn't a whole lot of speed at the FSU pro day where safety Terrance Parks (6-2, 215) ran a 4.65 40, while RB Jermaine Thomas (5-11, 192) ran a 4.62 and had times of 4.72 in the short shuttle and 7.46 in the 3-cone.

    Marshall - Pro scouts that trooped to the Marshall pro day were curious to see if star DE Vinny Curry could improve significantly on his near disastrous combine performance where he barely broke the 5-flat mark in the 40. And by all accounts, Curry indeed do much better at home running the 40 in the mid-to-high 4.6 to low 4.7 range. Curry also improved his vertical three inches to 35 and did 28 reps in the BP in which he did not participate at the combine.

    Michigan State - All 32 NFL teams were represented at Michigan State's pro day, including Pittsburgh head coach Mike Tomlin, where QB Kirk Cousins reportedly threw the ball very well. Meanwhile, former QB Keith Nicol, who now plays WR, ran in the 4.6 range for the 40, while posting a 39-inch vertical. RB Edwin Baker also reportedly ran under 4.5 seconds after timing 4.53 at the combine. TE Garrett Celek, who was not at the combine, ran better than expected when the 6-4.5, 250-pounder clocked in in the low 4.7 range for the 40, although his shuttle times of 4.39 in the short shuttle and 7.23 in the 3-cone weren't as quick.
     
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    Did Marvin Jones work out at the Cal pro day?

    Also just curious as to why your name is Gunner... I have wondered it for a while actually. In college Gunners are terms for those students that like do everything to get an A.

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    Even though I am in college, it has nothing to do with my ID ... I was a Gunner in the military for 20 years. Now I am using my GI Bill to get a degree ... and could care less whether I get an A ... I'm thrilled when I get a passing grade :lol:

    As for Jones: http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/tag/_/name/marvin-jones

    Former Cal players punter Bryan Anger, wide receiver Marvin Jones, offensive lineman Mitchell Schwartz were in attendance at pro day but did not participate in any measurable drills
     
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    Oregon State - WR James Rodgers, who was clocked in a disappointing 4.67 seconds for the 40 at the combine, reportedly improved his time at the Oregon State pro day down into the low-to-mid 4.5 range. Rodgers also ran the 3-cone drill in 6.93 seconds and the short shuttle in 4.19, although neither time was particularly good, especially for a smallish wideout who is going to have to make it at the next level largely on quickness. On the other hand, CB Brandon Hardin, who was not at the combine, put on an athletic show; a big corner who could also project to safety in the pros, ran in the low-to-mid 4.4 range for the 40, while posting 24 reps, more than any DB at the combine, in the BP. At the same time, FB/HBJoe Halahuni weighed in at a slimmed down 240 pounds, ran the 40 in under 4.80 seconds, and had a very quick time of 6.70 seconds in the 3-cone.
    Tennessee - DT Malik Jackson may have been the biggest story, both literally and figuratively, at the Tennessee pro day when he weighed in at 290 pounds. Jackson, who played as an undersized DT at under 270 pounds and weighed 284 at the combine, is hoping to show NFL teams that he can carry the extra bulk and figure as a full-time DT rather than a situational type. At the same time, FB Austin Johnson, who was not at the combine, impressed as the 6-0, 241-pounder ran well posting a 4.72 40, while recording 25 reps in the BP.

    Arizona State - Nice day for former Sun Devils' CB Omar Bolden, who did not play in 2011 after suffering a second torn ACL in his career last spring, but was able to run the 40 in under 4.5 seconds. Not so nice a day for MLB Vontaze Burfict who followed up a dismal combine, which included a pedestrian (with a 400-pound gorilla on its back) 40 clocking of 5.09, with a dismal pro day effort in which he managed only 16 reps in the BP and looked slow in positional drills.
     

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