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I agree if you are going with pure heavyweight guys WWE has more believable wrestlers that fit that mold. However if you are talking about guys in the physical stature of a Cody Rhodes (A guy who could be a champion but isnt a muscle head by any means) I think the split would be more even.

This is my 20, based on ability not so much their character.

CM Punk
Daniel Bryan
James Storm
Bobby Roode
Aj Styles (Hate his personality but he has RIDICULOUS ability)
R-Truth (Most underutilized wrestler in WWE)
Matt Morgan (Never really seen a seven footer move the way he does)
Austin Aries
Zema Ion (Hate his stupid pretty boy personality but he is talented)
Kofi Kingston
Dolph Ziggler
Sin Cara (Head scratcher, but he is my third favorite wrestler and would be ridiculous in X Division)
Big Show (Not a talented pure "wrestler" but he is just fun to watch when allowed to do his thing and not look like a wimp)
Justin Gabriel (Based on TALENT not merit of what he has done)
John Morrison (Can I still draft him even though he was released? Worst character ever but man he is talented)
Rob Van Dam (Age catching up but he can still put on a great match)

Women

Mickie James
Velvet Sky (I just like looking at her, and she is still a better wrestler than almost every WWE Diva)
Tamina
Victoria

So out of the 16 men I chose off of the main rosters we see, ended up with 9 WWE to 7 TNA and of the remaining women (I really ran out of guys I wanted, you can keep Cena, Orton, Sheamus, Henry so on. Cena and Orton bore me and Sheamus while a good wrestler I don't enjoy his style at all. Henry was the only one I considered taking just based upon his physical stature and badass-ness.) I ended up 3-1 on TNA.

I agree with production value, but after watching it every week it no longer irks me. I kind of like it now. I agree about the tag belts, though if the womens roster were a bit bigger I'd love it.

 

Only way I might like the HBK thing is if something like the following happens.

They have a long match and HHH is down, Taker gets up and is going to put him away but HBK hits him with the sweet chin music and puts HHH arm over Undertaker for the pin. HHH wins the match and gets up before taker. He gets in HBK's face and they argue, HHH hits him with a pedigree and screams out that the match is not over. He will not win that way, he needs to win cleanly. He calls for a new referee to come to the ring. Meanwhile Undertaker has gotten up behind him, and when HHH turns around Undertaker hits him with a Tombstone and gets the win.

 

Won't happen. The Undertaker isn't going to lose, if he loses, even if they reverse the decision it would kill/taint the streak gimmick. Adding HBK to the mix is to try and put more interest in the match as to whether HBK will call the match down the middle or not.

 

I agree 100%. Also what is the payoff if HBK does that? He is not going to be around after WrestleMania and is never going to wrestle again. No payoff makes it even more pointless

 

So let me get this straight, Zack Ryder starts out 2012 as US Champion, then gets absolutely destroyed by Kane every week, then has Eve turn on him and now he comes back, Eve kisses him and he smiles? So not only does he get beat up a lot but he's a total chump. And how is this helping his character?

 

woo woo woo, you know it.

 

Not only that but what does Triple H gain if that happens? He's not going to get more over from that. Like you said it's not going to lead to an HBK vs. Triple H or HBK vs. Undertaker match in the future and even IF it did the money generated from one of those matches won't come close to any future money on the Undertaker's streak gimmick. Just won't happen. I'm sure HBK might tease helping Triple H or The Undertaker during the RAWs leading up to WM but at WM Undertaker is going over clean.

 

Newest rumor is that The Rock/Cena will be a Best of 3 Series with The Rock beating Cena at WM, leading to a rematch at Summer Slam with Cena going over, leading to another rematch at WM29.

 

The whole HBK thing is stupid no matter how you slice it or what happens is my final conclusion after really thinking about it. Even though I didn't really like the angle, I thought the match could be a good one. Now I'm not looking forward to a match I was.

 

As much as I love The Rock, the last 2 weeks worth of promos by him and Cena have been pretty weak. Cena especially has been pretty bad. The build up between the two guys have been pretty blah.

 

Agreed even though I did enjoy his History Lessons promos tonight, really the first one was great, other were meh. Rock did get owned by the crowed tonight, and seemed to be thrown off by it with the "toothfairy" chants

 

I didn't watch tonight, but anytime HBK is involved, I tend to have more interest than if he wasn't. Adding HBK to Wrestlemania as a guest ref is a complete crowbar of a move, but he adds that much more star power to a completely stacked upper card. I have no problem with it.

 

I agree, I think having HBK as ref adds more intrigue to the match.

I just wish the WWE put more time into the title matches, I wasn't a big fan of having that tag team match. Keep Jericho/Punk and Bryan/Sheamus away from each other so when they do finally fight at WM it makes those matches feel special.

And good for Santino for winning the US title last night. The belt is meaningless but at least he'll make it fun for a few weeks before losing it.

 

I hate the way everything in WWE has to be about what is good for business now. **** that s***.

I would love to see Undertaker lose at Wrestlemania or something unexpected happen. What ever happened to the days where WWE kept you on edge? Where you had an idea who MIGHT win, but it wasn't blatantly see through so that seven year old Cena fans can follow along.

Screw the business. They have enough money, which is why I will never pay to watch a PPV (watch them all anyway, different story). Maybe if they start to put out a decent product again their PPV sales would increase. Do something UNEXPECTED and maybe your ratings will go up. Im just so sick of hearing things can't happen because it doesnt make sense from a business standpoint.

If you want Undertaker to beat HHH clean that is the exact same thing we saw last year. Boring. Every single person on Earth knows Undertaker is going to win. I don't see how any ref can add intrigue.

 

The WWE is and always has been a business so making money is obviously beneficial to them and everyone (even the wrestlers included) involved. Again the main selling points of WM now is the event itself (which is way it's held at stadiums now) and the Undertaker's streak. His streak is now much more important than World Title matches (whether or not that should be the case is a different story all together). But having The Undertaker lose just to shock people makes zero sense and frankly as dumb as the WWE is at times even they realize how bad that would be for business. The WWE can have The Undertaker wrestle 1 time a year at WM until he can't move anymore and keep the streak alive and would make them so much more money than ending the streak just because.

Look everyone knew The Undertaker was going to beat Shawn Michaels those 2 times but the matches were still 5 star classics and everyone knew Triple H was going to lose to him last year but they still had the best match of the night. And even though everyone still knew the outcome it still had the fans on the edge of their seats and the matches were intense. Especially compared to I don't know The Miz vs. John Cena match at last year's WM where no one knew what was going to happen but was just a crappy match.

You want the WWE to do something unexpected or different, yet weren't you upset that Sheamus won the Royal Rumble instead of (the expected) Jericho win? Again knowing the outcome of the match before hand means little it's how the match itself is executed. It's the journey and the ride that makes it so great not the outcome. I know I was upset that Jericho didn't win because even if it would have been the predictable thing, it made the most sense and if done in a creative way would have made for a better story.

The WWE's problem isn't about doing something unexpected it's that their storylines are so sloppy and their focus seems to change day to day that it's hard to get into certain storylines when they won't be any pay offs to it. Trust me if people were continuously getting 4 or 5 star matches at each PPV but knew who was going to win beforehand they wouldn't be complaining. It's when you're getting bad matches that people complain about.

 

I don't get it. So it was expected that Cm Punk and Daniel Bryan would be the top two champions going into biggest event of the year?

The sword cuts both ways. When the WWE swerves and does something off the wall and unexpected, they get accused of hotshotting and having no future planning. Yet, when they plan something out and have it play out over the course of a year (Rock-Cena) or months (HHH-UT) then they are accused of zero creativity and boring. Perhaps, people just complain for the sake of complaining. I will never understand that.

At some point, I encourage people to just turn off the inner critic and just enjoy the stuff in front of you for what it is. If it isn't enjoyable...then I guess...change the channel?

 

Found a funny site with some awesome wrestling references. Anyone who has some history of certain phrases/wrestling related movies/etc. will like it.

http://barbershopwindow.com/overstockbin.htm

 

this. exactly.

 

WWE.com just announced a 12 man tag team match which will be Team JL vs. Team Teddy Long. The winning team's GM will have control of both brands. The 12 man haven't been named yet but it won't take a genius to guess at least 10 of the guys.

While it's nice 12 guys will get a WM payout it's still kind of sucky that the WWE couldn't think of something better to do with guys like Dolph Ziggler, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, Mark Henry etc. Especially Dolph and Henry who have really turned the corner in their careers and deserve more than just probably being stuck in a tag team match that will get 5 or 6 minutes. Both of those guys, along with Zack Ryder, deserve to have a singles match or a higher profile one.

So by my count you have Rock/Cena, Triple H/Undertaker, Bryan/Sheamus, Jericho/Punk, Rhodes/Big Show, Orton/Kane, The 12 Man Tag Team Match. That's 7 matches so that's probably your WM card right there, unless the WWE remembers that they have Tag Team titles or want to run a comedy match with Santino for the US title or want to waste time with a Diva match (most likely going to be included if I were to guess). Hard to complain too much about it though, it's a solid card for the biggest event of the year.

 

Maybe one or two more matches. Remember, it's four hours long. They typically have exaggerated entrances which take a bunch of time, the HOF ceremony recap and probably tons of promos/video packages which will kill at least an hour of the show. The card is top heavy in terms of superstars/main events so I think you are looking at perhaps, one more additional match and there you go.

The GM battle hase actually been pretty entertaining for me and opens up for some storylines going forward for whatever side wins. And even for the losing team's wrestlers too. Logic tells you that Johnny Ace's team will win, but who knows?

 

Funny site with fake wrestling news. Think The Onion for pro wrestling.

http://www.kayfabenews.com/

 

Kane to stand trial in long-delayed Katie Vick case
I loled!

Edit:
Mae Young’s baby hand all grown up now

 

Even with past WMs that were 4 hours long they usually only have around 7 or 8 matches on the card. I think this year is going to be different as I think they want to give a lot of time to Rock/Cena, HHH/UT and Punk/Jericho.

I have to admit Johnny Ace has started to grow on me. I don't find him nearly as annoying as when he first showed up. And yes it makes too much sense for Ace's team to win. How long (pun indeeded) has Teddy Long been the GM of Smackdown it seems like forever.

 

How lame was the Jericho your father is an alcoholic promo? Like it seemed so corny. They couldn't think of a better way to do that?

The thing I don't like about the Johnny vs Teddy is that by having it at WM you exclude potential storylines. You're telling me Punk wouldn't want to fight on team Teddy to get John L out? Except he can't because he is fighting Jericho for the title.

 

I agree about the straight edge stuff coming up in the Jericho/Punk feud. Why can't you have two guys fighting each other to try and prove who's the best? What's wrong with that?

Also besides Zack Ryder who's had a worse year between Mark Henry and Dolph Ziggler. Both guys have turned into complete jobbers since Henry dropped the title and Ziggler was in the Rumble main event.

 

Seriously. I'm supposed to believe Punk is going to lose the title and what become an alcoholic somewhere under a bridge? I almost feel insulted.


Also I have to say Ziggler. Sure Henry has lost a couple matches, but at the end of the day he is still an imposing force and his time will come again. They made Ziggler look weak at the Rumble, he was never a threat in that match to cleanly win. Punk man handled him and then Ziggler was left as nothing but a filler for elimination chamber. So I say Ziggler simply because Henry will get another push, but will Ziggler?

 

Oh I think the WWE has big plans for Ziggler but right now they just don't have anything for him. Remember Ziggler has a lot working for him, he has a great look and he's home grown (which is something the WWE LOVES). Ziggler is going to be the next star but it's going to take time since again right now the WWE has no clue what to do with him.

 

The Rock still has his fastball. Just pure gold. And the best part was you could tell Rock was having fun. One of the best ever on the mike. No one on the current roster has even a third of Rock's charisma.

 

The part about nailing Cenas mom. Vintage.

 

Looks like HHH is going to end takers streak, as the Undertaker is going to show up April 21st and HHH will win by forfit

 

That was my favorite part, the fact that he was having fun! like you said, pure gold

 

I laughed when undertaker said the 21st of april then hesitated for a second and then just kept on going. mike mooneyham who is in the know and writes down here in charleston sc says this will not be the end of the undertaker streak even if he wins and goes to 20-0. The WWE is going to try and make lesner and undertaker for WM29 if they can work something out with lesner and dana white.

 

Why would Dana White matter?

 

Special Ref?

 

He may be retired but he's still under contract.

 

for how long?

 

that idk.

 

Apparently CM Punk (and others) doesn't like The Rock because "he isn't one of the boys" and "doesn't hang out or say hi to everyone else in the back" and is "too Hollywood now". The amount of jealously towards The Rock is almost funny at this point, everyone single guy in the back would glady trade in their wrestling career to have Rock's movie career and the financials that come with it. I wonder if all the guys that are mad at The Rock will refuse the extra WM payout they're going to get because he's wrestling.

 

I thought he had one fight left before Overeem, could be wrong though. I wonder if it's just TV/PVP's that he cannot do, and real fights of course. Lesnar working house shows exclusively! That'd be funny. Rampage did movies instead of fighting. I haven't really paid a bunch of atention ot Lesnar, or the terms of UFC contracts.

 

If Lesnar does return to the WWE it would be for a limited time or maybe a match or 2 a year. One of the biggest reasons why he quit the WWE in the first place was all the travel time so there's no way he'd ever work house shows exclusively, I'd be surprised if he even appeared at one unless it was in his hometown or something, plus with the way the business is nowadays there's almost zero money to be made at house shows for the wrestlers anymore (they make their money via merchandise and PPV pay outs now where as in the 80s it was almost the complete opposite). Most likely Lesnar will have an Undertaker type schedule, where he'll show up for 3 or 4 RAWs leading up to WM for promos, wrestle at WM and then disappear until the next time they come calling for him.

I'd be shocked if he ever came back to the WWE full time, but obviously would love it if he did. But it's not like the guy needs the money anymore to work a full time schedule.