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Is your glass half full or half empty?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by OkiePhin, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    Half full: Manning is a diva and 1 hit away from retirement and only good for 1-3 years *IF* he has recovered (doubtful). Flynn obviously wasn't the answer or else Philbin would have made it known and we would have made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Duh! Smith sucks and we interviewed him to throw the league off of our original plan to pick up a great value QB and draft our next franchise QB!

    Half empty: Couldn't land Manning, Philbin obviously though Flynn was our guy since we brought him in as soon as we suspected we were out of the race for Manning but Flynn was turned off by our FO and felt more at home in SEA. Wanted Smith as our 3rd choice but once Manning decided on DEN we couldn't draw him away from his playoff team. We settled for a value QB because now we are in panic mode and hope to draft someone who can compete or learn behind our two #2's.

    Mine is exactly half. We couldn't get what we wanted but will be ok anyway. Not near the playoffs but will have some good wins and some excitement followed by letdown.
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, the way I see it:

    -signed a good Qb
    -added a FS the guru types like

    Lost:

    -starting LDE
    -starting SS, who tbh, couldn't cover anyone anymore
    -#1 Wr
    -#2 sacks

    Losing Marshall and Taylor in the big picture is what will hurt us unless they are replaced, as for Manning, he turned down other teams as well, that is how it goes, for those a bit slow on the uptake, this is not the NBA with an elastic salary cap.
     
  3. Tone_E

    Tone_E Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

    Moral of the story, optimists, lower your expectations and we will all be sunshine and roses. Pessimists.....who cares really. LOL. :)
     
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  4. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    My glass looks to be full of ****.
     
  5. MikeHoncho

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    Half full. Like MB's, being a Dolphan, it is most likely partly filled with ****.
     
  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I wanted and still want Alex Smith. Garrard was never a "good QB" He had one great season and the rest were mired in mediocrity the highest degree. I'm always an optimist. I don't think our team aside from the QB and WR position needs that much upgrading aside from the offensive line a bit. However right now I have no confidence our glaring holes will be filled and if we trade for Tebow or draft Tannenhill I might gauge my eyes out.
     
  7. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Based on your definition, I would say my glass in nearly empty in regards to the Dolphins. While you appear willing to settle for a little excitement, a few wins, no playoffs, and an eventual letdown. I see absolutely nothing okay about that scenario. To me, this team and FO office needs to get their act today immediately and start contending for Super Bowl titles or else the owner needs to sell the team to someone who actually knows how to run a professional football team. This new owner should fire Ireland before the ink is dry on the sales contract. If the players now on the team can't do better than just providing a little excitement and a few wins, the entire team needs to be blown up and the new owner and GM should start from scratch again.

    When all this takes place, I am sure my glass will be entirely full.
     
  8. DOLFANMIKE

    DOLFANMIKE FOOTBALL COACH 32 YEARS Luxury Box

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    Normally I am 99% of the time half full type philosophy. Right now my Miami Dolphins out-look is that my glass is 100% full of crap.
     
  9. ukdolphin

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    My glass is half-full, though my definition of it isn't quite the same as yours. I'm always optimistic.
     
  10. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    Nope, I'm with ya bud. By "ok" I mean I don't think we will have a 1 win season. I'm not happy at all. Not getting.g Manning, ok. But to not be able to land Flynn? Embarrassing!
     
  11. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    My glass is drier than Joan Rivers' vagina.
     
  12. NJFINSFAN1

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    I'm ok, I really didn't want Manning. Flynn I would have taken, but my guess is Philbin sees Flynn on equal terms with Moore.

    Garrard if healthy is a good QB, I see this as a prelude to drafting a young QB that will sit a year.

    We got Soliari back at a good price, Marshall to push Smith was a good pick up.

    The Marshall trade does not bother me, it leaves a hole for sure, but gets rid of a headache.
     
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  13. SCall13

    SCall13 ThePhins QB

    After over a decade of mediocrity at best...I need a whole new glass.
     
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  14. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    Mine is half full at this point. If we go through the draft and don't select a qb then I'll be more of a half empty guy.
     
  15. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Asking the wrong question:

    The question is, relative to the Dolphins chances of winning a SB, is your glass 1/8 full or 7/8 empty? At that point, it doesn't matter. And that's where Miami is. Even if they go after a QB and land one in the draft, by the time he's ready to compete - the D will need to be rebuilt. (as well as a need for WR's and other older players replaced).

    They should either do a complete rebuild - and tell the fans that; in which case they should get as many draft picks as possible.

    Or they should get aggressive (which they simply are not).

    Playing a mediocre game with a 6-10 team is stupidity gone to seed, imo.
     
  16. sws84

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    :lol: Sometimes, I feel like that too, but most of the time my glass is half-full. The struggles we have endured are going to make winning the Superbowl all the more sweeter when we do.

    Steve :)
     
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  17. Makados10

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    Half Empty, which has nothing to do with the QB situation.

    I wanted Manning but I wouldn't count that against us. As said, Manning could only go to one team. I was lukewarm on Flynn and I expected Matt Moore starting next year whether we draft a QB or not.

    I hate the Marshall deal. Not because he was traded, but we got considerably less compensation than what we gave up to a perfect fit in the Bears and I have to hear about it non-stop on ESPN as the most lopsided trade of the offseason.

    I just read a "Dolphins are a joke" column from Adam Schein today, which really hurts since Schein was one of the few who routinely gave a shout out or picked the Dolphins as a wildcard darkhorse before last year.
     
  18. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    There is no such thing as a glass.
     
  19. DOLFANMIKE

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  20. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    Keep cutting/trading players and there won't be a glass to hold any water.
     
  21. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Half full.

    Matt Flynn: The choice to not desperately overpay for a QB whom we and the rest of the league obviously didn't value as much as the fans perceived was a smart move. Flynn commanded nearly a third of what Kolb did last year, and just b/c he's enticing enough to sign to a less significant contract, it doesn't mean you enter a bidding war or pay more than you value him when other quality options are still available. Kudos to Miami for having the restraint here.

    Alex Smith: Smith's heart is obviously in San Francisco, period. It could've ended BADLY for Miami to offer a contract Smith couldn't refuse during a period of emotional confliction where shortly after Alex has seller's remorse once those brewing emotions of rejection calm. It's just like any relationship. One argument etc doesn't mean you're splitting up or left hating each other, especially when it's recently been a great relationship. Hence, Smith feeling hurt did NOT mean "I want out", it meant "I love you and wanna stay, so show me some attention and appreciation so I can feel good again. Validate my feelings.". As soon as that happens his heart is back to belonging to the Niners. That is not a player we want to sign a multi year expensive contract to. Kudos to Miami again for not over pursuing here.

    Manning: we missed out. So did a lot of teams. I don't think it helps that we play Brady twice, and I don't think the heat and humidity are appealing considering his physical issues.

    Bell: Cutting a 34 year old who saves us 4+ million in cap space? This is bad why?

    Soliai: resigned him at great value. More important to our defense than Langford; however, we paid less for him as a starter than we would have for Langford as our backup. I call that a win.

    Langford: we let a 2012 backup in our new scheme walk who would've cost us $24.0M. The problem is what? It's disturbing how many fans repeatedly ignore financial costs as if we could've re-signed Langford for the same peanuts contract we paid him as a rookie. Mind boggling really.

    Marshall: we got 2 3rds for a $9.0M/year guy whom Urlacher fears might miss games this year; meanwhile Houston gets a 4th and swaps 3rds with Philly for stud LB, Ryans. Philbin's direct involvement in one of the most productive offenses in the NFL leaves me not wanting to criticize this move and rather take a wait and see approach b/c it's highly unlikely Philbin wasn't first consulted.
     
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  22. Phinastic

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    Not even half empty. Completely empty.
     
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  23. bran

    bran Senior Member

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    when it comes to the team IE the players im half full i think we have some really good talent on this team, but the problem is now we have a huge hole at WR,OL
    we need another pass rusher and we havent really done anything to help these concerns
     
  24. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    You just made me feel like his rebound that he ends up leaving for his ex =(
     
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  25. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    :lol:


















    :console:
     
  26. ToddsPhins

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    that's likely all it was TBH. He was flirting with us to make San Fran jealous hoping it calls them into action to show some love and make him feel special again.

    If his jealousy attempt failed, it would've led to anger & contempt and thus would've been fine for Miami to purse heavily b/c his feeling of "take me back, San Fran" would've quickly become "I'm gonna make you pay, San Fran, and prove you made a mistake.". Too bad that didn't happen.
     
  27. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I just hope everything turns out right. I'm not the type to be gloom and doom. I really hope we have a solid draft and fill in a few gaps with free agency. I'll be happy if we look good on the field.
     
  28. Bulldog

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    My glass if full of facts and reality. Those sharing a drink with me here know those facts and live in reality!


    Cheers!
     
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  29. AdamC13

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    I would agree with most of the rest of your post, but this is the one part I find to be ridiculous.

    Ireland declares he is going to be BOLD in upgrading the QB position. At the time, Flynn is clearly the TOP QB that is going to be available in FA. Manning is under contract and no one knows if he is going to be healthy enough to ever play again.

    Yet, based on Denver's contract Ireland was willing to give a 5 year $96 million contract to Manning who is 36, had quadruple neck surgery and still isn't fully healthy by his own admission...BOLD? Yes.

    Flynn knows Philbin's system inside and out. Seattle did not offer Flynn a break the bank contract. It is reported that Miami offered less than Seattle's. Flynn is the "one" QB in FA that had a realistic chance to allow Miami have a shot of making a playoff run. $10 million is a "fair" offer for an average QB in the NFL today. Flynn could probably of been had for $8 million and dependent on incentives...$10 million guaranteed DOES NOT put Miami in salary cap hell if it doesn't work out. BOLD? **** NO!!! STUPID? **** YES!!!

    How can anyone take a stage that Ireland is being financially wise when he signs R. Marshall to a $5.33 million a year contract? A nickel CB or perhaps a FS if he wins the job. And Art Hicks gets $2 to $2.5 million per year...WTF? Financially wise? A financial idiot more like it.

    Soliai's signing is more "luck" than Ireland being a financial master. Soliai could have easily have shunned that offer and gone elsewhere. Soliai wanted to stay in Miami. Miami could easily have lost Soliai and Langford is Soliai put $$$ above desire to stay in Miami? BOLD...no, LUCKY!

    And btw...signing Flynn basically would have come with getting to spend the #8 pick on a talent that could have helped Miami at another position. Now Ireland is almost forced to draft Tannehill, who is way OVERVALUED at #8, b/c he has to justify his inability to get a legit QB signed to make a playoff run.
     
  30. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    All of that is based on YOUR evaluation of Manning, Flynn, Tannehill, and R. Marshall.

    Like the media and the other esteemed members of the chicken little brigade, you want to hold Ireland responsible for your opinion on players he's done more work on then you have. You assume Flynn was high on our list, just like the media assumed we were #1 on Mannings list.

    So basically what I'm saying is.....do you work for the media?
     
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  31. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    The only thing I really didn't like so far was trading Brandon Marshall. I understand it, but it leaves a hole at a position that we were set at.
     
  32. ToddsPhins

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    You're just proving my argument.

    If Seattle offered Flynn a non break the bank contract and we offered Flynn even less, then apparently we thought even less of Flynn than the team who signed him to a non break the bank contract, and since Philbin knows Flynn better than anyone, I'll trust our decision to not overpay for him with the draft still to come. The NFL did not think as highly as highly of Flynn as you did. It happens. Does that mean he won't become great? No, but it means teams have no reason to treat him as the next Aaron Rodgers when they don't perceive him as such. If Seattle signed him for a franchise worthy 6 year $70.0M and we stingily went to 68, then you'd have a point.

    Unfortunately,
    3 years = "We're not sold on him as a definitive answer so we're not committing long term".
    $26.0M = "We're not sold on him as a definitive answer so we're not paying him as such, and it's low enough of a financial commitment that we can either walk away or pursue a more enticing prospect should we feel the need."

    I'm not even gonna debate this with you any further b/c it seems you have an agenda here.
     
  33. Puka-head

    Puka-head My2nd Fav team:___vs Jets Club Member

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    Who needs a glass? It's straight out of the bottle by now.
     
  34. Vinny Fins

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    I'm pretty ****ing depressed by this team at this point, honestly.

    I just don't see anything to be optimistic about.
     
  35. Laces Out

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    Despite any upset ranting I may have gone on, the glass is still half full. Gotta let the full offseason play out. See what picks are made, how the teams picks up the new system and finally how the staff handles early season action.


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  36. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    To play devils advocate.. Isnt that what all this is based on? Our evaluation and perception? My evaluation is they brought in Flynn as soon as they thought Manning was a no-go due to Philbins high praise and requests. Why bring him in at all if Philbin doesnt think he is the answer? Ireland didnt believe Philbin and/or didnt want to take the risk himself despite Philbins recommendation.

    So basically what I'm saying is.....do you work for Ireland?
     
  37. jdang307

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    Philbin knows him. Does Ireland?
     
  38. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Nice conspiracy theory. Admirable? yes. Believable? no.




    Your evaluation doesn't match up to the dollar amount Flynn signed for, nor its duration. That's the flaw of your argument, that and the fact we already signed one of Philbin's connections, Sherman. It's convenient of any Flynn advocate to blame Ireland throwing a massive monkey wrench into it all as the reason Flynn is a Seahawk. Ireland might be the GM, but Ross holds the checkbook; therefore if Ross's shiny new head coach recommended Flynn as his QB of the future, Ross would've signed the check. We obviously liked Flynn to an extent, just not the extent he was hoping to be paid for. If any monkey wrench happened in that scenario, it's via Philbin to stop Ross & Ireland from overspending on a QB while in desperation mode to make a big move. Philbin is more the voice of reason where as Ross & Ireland are the most likely of the 3 to make a rash QB decision b/c they're the ones who've endured the pressure the most (and longest) considering Philbin came from a team that had no pressure to find a solution.
     
  39. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Half full or half empty is relative only to your opinion of Joe Philbin.

    Been saying this over and over regarding Jim Harbaugh as a first year coach taking the SAME 49ers to the NFC Championship game.

    If you believe Philbin was a GOOD hire, then our glass is half full. If you believe he was a horrible hire, then our glass is half full.

    If you beleve players matter more than coaches, then you have no glass...only a handful of water which is leaking between your fingers.
     
  40. OkiePhin

    OkiePhin Well-Known Member

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    Lets hope thats the case. I dont believe you know any more then the rest of us but I wont dismiss your opinion as quickly. Like I said, we are all speculating and drawing our own conclusions right now, which is fun. I dont see why they would bother interviewing someone if they didnt have confidence in them to begin with but hey, no NFL owners are knocking down my door for an opinion either. I am hopeful but it may be true that Ross & Ireland are just nucking futs.
     
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