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"There is a monumental weakness in the organization" - Buoniconti

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Itsdahumidity, Mar 21, 2012.

  1. Can those of you who are happy with Ireland give me some examples of the dynamic moves he has made that seperates him from being anything more then an average GM.

    FTR I do not think he has been a bust of a GM and I think he had a full plate when he took this job but so far over his tenure he has not done much to impress me as someone who stands out. He plays it pretty safe and he has had an average record of hits and misses, IMO. I think hits and busts alike most reasonable people would agree that they were reasonable gambles to take. I would also say that this is a better team then what was left behind by Cam. I think the perception that he has missed on some big signings that the organazation was percieved to of had interest in looks bad but I dont judge on that stuff because without insider knowledge its impossible to know if Ireland did bad or not. What I do know is except for a few isolated aquisitions Ireland has not wowed me with his job performance as of yet.

    For me this season will say a lot about his talent as a GM. How Philibin does is a biggie for me. He was gooid credentials but he has no HCing exp. He could be a future HOF candidate or he could be another Cam Cameron or Norv Turner. Obviously I am hoping he is the former. I have been disappointed by the Dolphins over the last decade far too many times to give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
     
  2. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    yes. but THIS TEAM is the one that is inflicting all this pain on us. It is cursed.
     
  3. The Shula curse lives on thanks to JJ and WH.
     
  4. Bulldog

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    Why did you enlarge the text you did? Do you think it's incorrect?

    Because that's how you spell his name and Nick played tackle in college. He was drafted as an o-lineman by Boston and they switched him to linebacker.
     
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  5. Bulldog

    Bulldog New Member

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    He was drafted as a tackle.
     
  6. Wulf

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    Following that line of thought, winning the big one is THE goal! That means that we're no worse than the other 31 teams who didn't win the Super Bowl last month...
     
  7. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    He played in the NFL and was a hall of famer as a linebacker. Who cares what he was in college.
     
  8. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    If you're not first you're last. 2nd place is the first loser. Winning is the big goal, and that's not going to happen by maintaining mediocrity by trotting out mediocre QB's.
     
  9. Bulldog

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    I care. I follow college football as much as I do the pros. I was just pointing out a fact about a Hall of Fame player that I'm assuming most here didn't know.
     
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  10. Wulf

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    I seem to recall that Trent Dilfer has a SB ring though...
     
  11. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    and YOU THINK HE KNEW THAT?

    He played Linebacker as a pro, and made the hall of fame as a Linebacker.

    WHO ARE YOU?
     
  12. Bulldog

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    I like how you spun out of that one. So, I guess the Dolphins were as good as the Pastriots last season? Neither won the SB.
     
  13. Wulf

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    Funny thing is that I didn't say that he PLAYED on our OL, I said that he "knew how to play O Line in the 70's"...
     
  14. Bulldog

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    That's probably why he mixed up the positions. I'm not sure how old he is, but if he watched Nick at Notre Dame I can understand the mistake.

    I'm Bulldog. You can tell by my screenname.

    And you're Section126. I can tell by yours.
     
  15. Fin D

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    Dynamic? It depends on your definition.

    I view it like this, hes had one full year (until this year) to do HIS thing and not Parcells thing. I haven't seen a plausible argument yet, that goes against the notion all the moves Ireland made while Parcells was here were based on Parcells mold of a player. I think Ireland had free reign...to get the type of players Parcells wanted. That to me is the issue here. It wasn't Ireland's job to improve the team. It was his job to get Parcells players. I think that based on what we know about Parcells ego and some of the players Ireland grabbed last season (Bush, Clay, Gates, Moore) who are not Parcells style players.

    I think the 2 biggest problems that have kept this team from winning are QB play (75%) and coaching (25%). When we had solid QB play we went 11-5 and ended last year on 6-3. When our coaches were being intelligent and adapting to the players they had they went 11-5 and when they allowed the players to be lax they went 0-7. It seems we are addressing both of those issues this year.

    Now, if after this year we are worse from an overall talent standpoint, then yes I think it will be time to ship off Ireland. I think two years is enough time to see what he can do without being forced to use Parcells blueprint.

    It is possible that I'm completely wrong about how it worked when Parcells was here. Maybe he did give Ireland free reign to draft/acquire who ever he wanted based on his own criteria and not Tuna's. That is completely plausible.
    But so is what I'm saying. Neither are outlandish, both are reasonable, so the only way to be sure is to remove a variable and see what happens. Bill removed himself. So we have Ireland for the rest of this year plus last year will give us a solid idea where we stand with him.

    But for anyone to say they know for a fact Ireland is crap at this point, is just being an emotional basket case. They don't know it for a fact. they believe it, and those are two VERY different things.
     
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    Just using the "logic" that was presented to me, and pursuing it to that conclusion. I was the one who said that 6-10 was better than 1-15...
     
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  17. Clipse

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    I seem to recall that Trent Dilfer had one of the greatest defenses of all time, and a 1,400 yard rusher to carry him to a ring. We have neither.
     
  18. Bulldog

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    Most Super Bowl winning teams had a great run game and defense.
     
  19. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Where did I say that? Both teams failed at achieving their ultimate goal.
     
  20. Clipse

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    Yea, back when that meant something. Feel free to step into 2012.
     
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    Actually, it's not. Being mediocre is worse than being bad, in nearly every pro sport.
     
  22. Fin D

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    You said if you're not first you're last. Don't wuss out. You said it you meant it.

    Both the Pats and Fins didn't win the SB therefore they are both last place and are the same. Its your stupid logic, don't back away from it.
     
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  23. Bulldog

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    So now winning the Super Bowl doesn't mean anything?

    WHY DIDN'T ANYBODY TELL ME THIS!
     
  24. Clipse

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    That's right. They both finished last at their goal. Luckily for the Pats, they'll have a great chance at completing that goal this upcoming season while we'll be hoping to Fall Flat for Matt.
     
  25. Clipse

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    No, back when having a great running attack and defense meant anything. No QB, you're not winning **** anymore.
     
  26. Bulldog

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    What? Why do you think the Pats didn't win the Super Bowl? Why do you think the Pack didn't win the Super Bowl? Saints?

    Those three teams have the league's best QB's and by a pretty wide margin. Brady hasn't won a Super Bowl since 2004. Why?

    Granted, today's NFL is slanted for scoring points. Ergo, teams score a lot of points and good QB's score more. However, if you look at the past 5 Super Bowl winners you'll see the reason they won wasn't because of their offense, but because of their defense.
     
  27. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Yeah, a guy who was on Inside the NFL for 20 years and is a Hall of Famer couldn't possibly have any sources.....
     
  28. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    If you don't even know what position Nick played, you probably are not qualified to discuss his football knowledge.....
     
  29. Bulldog

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    If he has inside sources why is he parroting the same things the media is saying?
     
  30. Bulldog

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    Nick played Oline in college. So, I assume that he knew how to play online in the '70's.
     
  31. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    Because the media is correct?

    I love it, Nick was one of the smartest players on the smartest team in NFL history, and his bona fides dwarf the qualifications of anyone in the current Fin organization.

    And people on a message board question his knowledge and right to an opinion?
     
  32. Bulldog

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    You think the media's correct? lol...So Harbaugh is the Dolphins coach? The media said he was, once. Manning is a Dolphin? The media said it was a sure thing. I could go on and on.

    I could ask Stephen Hawkings his feelings about the Dolphins too. Him being pretty ****ing smart has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Nick was a great football player. He's one of my all-time favorite Dolphins. However, he really doesn't know more than the average fan about the Dolphin's FO at this point.
     
  33. Alex13

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    i wish these former players would just shut the hell up and move on with their lives, he still can meet with his buddies to do that stupid chamapgne fest, if all teams are finally defeated and the unbeaten streak stays on for another year, but why does these former players have to open their mouth about things they have no idea anyways.
     
  34. Clipse

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    The last 9 Superbowl winners had Franchise QB's. 18 of the last 21 had franchise QB's. 28 straight Superbowls were won by QB's with a pro bowl on their resume. You need a Quarterback. Everything else is irrelevant if you don't have a Quarterback. You need defense, but defense without a Quarterback is getting you nowhere. Nowhere at all.
     
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  35. emocomputerjock

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    He played oline in college in the early 60s, so I'd say he knew how to play oline in the 60s.
     
  36. Bulldog

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    You googled that, right? Nick was drafted in 1962. I don't think he played any games as a pro as an o-lineman. However, he played for the Irish (ha!) both ways..tackle and LB'er. So, in 7 years time he forgot how to play the position? I doubt it.
     
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    this debate is so hard for me. I think ireland sucks but then the fireland crew says stupid **** like jake long wasn't worth his pick and LT's don't win super bowls etc.


    who would be matt ryans LT if we drafted him here? we would have no oline and our o line is one of the worst in the leagues as it is outside of two key pieces we picked up in the first round. I can defend our FO on this all day. If you don't think you win championships based on the trenches then go talk to the pats (best pass blocking o line nfl history for how many years now to go along with a nasty front 7 and the giants who ave the best pass rushing d line ever in the history of the NFL)

    where i won't defend ireland is on moves like columbo, jake grove, brandon marshell (what we gave up for him and then what we got back) drafting odrick even though it fits the mold of what wins by position, he isn't exactly tearing it up.
     
  38. Bulldog

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    Look at the scores for those last 9 winners and tell me if you can see it.
     
  39. emocomputerjock

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    Well, he played for 14 seasons and spend 20 more on Inside the NFL, so now he's not qualified to comment on football matters? What, did he forget?
     
  40. GreysonWinfield

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    Nerd fights. That is all.
     
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