"There is a monumental weakness in the organization" - Buoniconti

So you think we can just trot out a defense with Matt Moore at QB and win something. Good luck to you with those false hopes.

 

He's speaking on FO matters and he's doing it on reports we've all read. He isn't basing it off inside information. A lot of us have made a case for those reports being conjecture.

This is not rocket science.

We've all been breathing our whole lives, are we all qualified to speak about air quality in regards to our respiratory system?

 

The great teams sure have no problems finding LT's for their Quarterbacks. Wonder why? Oh that's because they can be easily found outside of the 1st round and FA. Having a 10 million dollar left tackle to block for a 2 cent quarterback. Yea that makes sense.

 

It's not that he forgot. It is that when it comes to front office decisions he never knew.

 

I don't see where he made a single statement that required him to have intimate knowledge of Ireland's plans, nor do I see where he's not in contact with folks inside the Dolphins organization. I do see a lot of folks attempting to discredit him because he said something they don't agree with, however.

 

You are all saying that Buoniconti has no inside info, well that may be so, but read the topic of this forum! It is oh sooooo true, so where is the weakness? I don't give a crap who likes Ireland bottom line is he is the one cancer we have as a team. I truely believe that some of if not all the veterans on this team feel that way about Ireland and do not want to see any of these FA guys come into a ****ty situation like there is now. None of us are qualified to be front office or we'd be there on Ross' doorstep applying, but a freakin monkey could do as good if not better job that this assclown is.

 

The folks inside the Dolphins organization support Ireland so obviously that part isn't true and/or makes no difference. Secondly EXACTLY he didn't make any statements that would require him to know what the plan is. That means that he is giving a piece of opinion based upon who has and hasn't been signed and is simply talking out his *** like half of this message board because he isn't happy.

Does working on the assembly line at a toy factory for thirty years give you any right to comment on how the CEO of the company manages his business? It doesn't.

I pretty much lost all respect for him with this "opinion" piece and think he is an idiot as dull as about 3/4 of our fanbase.

 

Not a problem. Just want you to admit your bias.

 

^^ Still waiting.

 

Explain to me when that ever happens for a GM? What player came out and defended Polian?

 

Peyton Manning had plenty of nice things to say about Bill Polian.

 

That's not the same thing as defending him.

Peyton is a classy dude, he wasn't trying to leave Indy with a **** you after all those years.

 

So it didn't happen then. Awesome, thought so.

 

What does any of that have to do with the article?

 

No; "actually," here is what is accurate:

Buoniconti was a defensive tackle out of Notre Dame who was drafted by the Boston Patriots, but considered too small to play on the defensive line, so he was moved to middle linebacker. He made AFL All-Star with the Pats six times and was traded to the Dolphins, where he was the heart of the No Name Defense during their three consecutive Super Bowl appearances, was MVP three times, went twice to the Pro Bowl, and was elected to the Hall of Fame. After his Dolphin career, he practiced law in Miami and represented NFL players, and during the 70's and 80's he was CEO of U.S. Tobacco Company, where he had hands-on experience in management. He was a broadcaster-analyst on Inside the NFL until 2001.

I would say Buoniconti KNOWS football as well as management. He has dedicated his life to football, played it at the highest levels possible, and stayed around it. By comparison, you aren't even sure what position he played.

A little respect for Buoniconti, please. Older does not equal less informed.

 

The article is about Buoniconti's opinion. My post is about Buoniconti's credentials that lend weight to his opinion.

 

jeez were going out of our way to slam dolphin legends now this is what these forums have come to sad times.

 

Nothing about his credentials have anything to do with his opinion on this matter.

The entirety of his opinion is based on what he read in the media. Same as the rest of us.

You are attributing knowledge to him he doesn't have. Realizing he isn't being different than any other fan with that article is not an indictment or insult of his greatness as a player.

 

What did Jeff Ireland do to earn this loyalty?

Is it just because he's Phins GM? If he had the same exact track record the last 3 years (7-9,7-9,6-10), and was Cleveland Browns GM, he'd be universally panned as a ****ing idiot on this board, IMO.

 

I would think the opinion of a man who has been a part of championship teams and has seen what winning organizations look like would carry some weight. What possible reason would he have to just fabricate things in order to bash the Dolphins? It is amazing the lengths some want to go to to deny the idea that Jeff Ireland's reputation around the league is hurting the Miami Dolphins. It puts the organization in a bad position every time a free agent player or coach comes to town because they come in with a negative image in their heads. People are defending this GM to the bitter end for what? Because he's a pretty decent scout? That would be great if he were simply scouting. He is one of the faces of the Dolphins and right now it's a face few around the league want to look at. That is not good for business. He better be a great scout because at this rate he's going to have to build the entire team through the draft.

 

Chad Henne’s contract was up and was heckled by fans. Has he forgotten about the “We want Orton” chants? Matt Moore had a better season as a Dolphin than Henne ever had. David Garrard is a vet backup that is familiar with the WCO. I don’t see any way he beats out Moore but he seems like a better option on the surface than Henne.

Carl Peterson was the GM/President for KC from 1989-2008. They reached the playoffs 9 times total and 6 years in a row from 1990-2006. Prior to Peterson’s arrival the Chiefs made the playoffs 1 time in the 70’s and 1 time in the ’80. What that tells me is that a coach can make a GM look good (Vermeil) or bad (Edwards). Am I to believe he just lost his mojo?

Now this is something I would support fully. Nat would be a great addition as the face of the front office. Ross could go back to doing whatever it is he does and Ireland can concentrate on the scouting/player acquisition side.

It looks like Nick is just as frustrated as many of us are. But”monumental weakness” is a bit of a stretch to me.

 

Truth. If Mark Sanchez or Tim Tebow were the Dolphins QB some of the same folks who passionately defend Ireland would be their biggest supporters. The underlying root of all major debates on any sports message board is those who unquestionably support a team's players, coaches, officials versus those who question the effectiveness or talent of a team's players, coaches, or officials.

 

I know I am not one of those "some" because I did not and do not think Chad Henne is a good quarterback.

This is a cop out argument. Basically you are saying that because someone disagrees with you, then they are just someone who is going to support the Dolphin employee without question.

 

It's not a cop out because I said "some". There are absolutely fans who tend to support players/coaches/other regardless of performance. Look at the QB debates that have raged on these boards. You'll find common threads between Jay Fiedler, Daunte Culpepper, John Beck, Chad Henne, just to name a few. Not everyone who supports Ireland falls into this category. I don't think it's necessarily a terrible thing for there to be fans who unquestionably support their team. It's part of being a fan. And it absolutely is responsible for the majority of the major debates on this board and others.

 

Actually Mike Holmgren is (5-11,4-12) in the past 2 years with the Browns. Calling him an idiot would be idiotic.

 

It is a huge generalization that does not stack up. There are people who support Beck who didn't support Henne, and some who hated Fielder and loved Culpepper. It is rare to find someone who likes all four of those quarterbacks.

 

His track record as GM is one of the reasons I am happy that Ross did not bow down to Fisher's demands.

 

I think he'll be fine. I believe coaching is much more important than the the GM. Most of these guys can play ball at a high level if properly motivated and correctly taught to do so.

I didn't want Fisher on any level. So I'm very happy they were able to find an impass.

 

Who cares who says what?

The team hasn't won a playoff game since 2000 and has 2 winning seasons in 8 years...anyone can see there is something wrong with the organization.

Nobody can say the organization is moving in the right direction until they actually win a playoff game or string together 2 winning seasons. Right now they're in the dumps though.

 

Dear god this is getting trying.

No one is saying Nick made anything up. All were saying is he has read the same things all of us have read and he is reacting to that same news. Nothing he said in that article is based on any inside info of Ireland, it is all based on the news.

 

LOL,really sorry I'm late to the party and couldn't respond sooner.You did respond first tho,so.
What makes you think he has no inside information? 10 peeps who fist pumped you seem to believe what you said...
Spill the beans,what you got? I'm here to learn.

 

I don't usually side with the Ireland lovers - and I feel kinda dirty doing it - but I don't think there is anything groundbreaking in this article. It's just one HOFers opinion. I don't think it is based on any kind of insider information. I don't think it should be taken too seriously.

 

You skew reality every time you get into "defend Ireland mode."
And then everything turns into why nothing is Ireland's fault and everything is Parcells fault. Or Ross' fault. Or whatever excuse/reason you come up with.
Which is fine, you're entitled to your opinion, but don't pretend like you don't do it. Because you do. We all do.

 

One thing I can say without a doubt Finascious D, if I ever get fired for incompetence, whether I am incompetent or not, I will seek to hire you as my lawyer!

 

Be honest, forget how you already feel, and tell me what part of what I'm saying is so effing crazy. Don't argue me, just take an honest look and tell me what's so off or impossible.

 

You never said he did a good job yet you blow off anything negative that comes out about him. As if everything negative that comes from all of these sources is just a cruel conspiracy against him. The guy is a douche. That many people will not accuse you of being a douche unless you are a douche. Having a douche for a GM makes it harder to sign coaches and free agents. We've seen that over the past year or so even though you always insist we are the ones rejecting these coaches and players. Stop feeling sorry for this man.

 

And I believe we do know whether Ireland is a good GM or not.
But every time I, or someone else says so, you go crazy defending him.
I'm not too thick-headed to listen to you, I just don't agree with you. Doesn't make me thick-headed, it just means my opinion differs from yours.
I don't even hate Ireland, I just think he's an incompetent GM. He has zero personality or people skills. He is, however, a good evaluator of draft talent. I'd have zero problem seeing him fired as GM but kept on as head of college scouting or something.
Dude just shouldn't be the face of the franchise.

 

I have not blown off everything negative.

I have said over and over that he can be fired after THIS season if we don't have better talent.

Before I crucify a guy I want proof. That's not an extreme position, or it shouldn't be. Why do you guys believe so easily, that the moves he made while Parcells was here were not based on Parcells blueprint? I've asked that question a hundred of times, and I never get a real answer. I get, "So Ireland was his lapdog?". That's not an answer. That's not a fact I need to respect. That's not proving the Fireland crowd to be correct.

I never said Ireland was a nice guy, but I also haven't heard a decent reason why the GM needs to be ****ing nice. GM's have a cutthroat job. I honestly could give a **** if our GM is nice. Its not relevant to me.

There has not been one fact given as to why Manning isn't here, or Flynn. Not one. Every reason anyone comes up with is speculation...that's for both sides. Nor is the off season over yet. None of that is me being ridiculous.

 

Now that was some funny **** right there.

 

You're thick headed because you keep saying I'm the one skewing reality. I'm asking for facts. Facts are reality.

If you cannot prove how much Parcells had to do with his moves while he was here, with facts, you cannot correctly gauge the effectiveness of Ireland's tenure. Or at least you can't to such a degree that you are so sure you can argue with someone about it and have Fireland logos on your posts.