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NFL Draft:Value or Reach?

Discussion in '2012 GM League Forum' started by BuckeyeKing, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. AshyLarry

    AshyLarry New Member

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    He didn't play too much man in college and struggled at times when he did, but he did do very well in zone coverage (which UVA ran a lot of)....definitely not the best CB in the draft, but I like the pick.
     
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  2. alen1

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    I'm no Billy Bean, but that's what I do and have been doing here for a while now.
     
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  3. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree with this, but I have Kuechly in my top 6, and I don't think I'd have gotten him had I traded down much further.
     
  4. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Probably not, honestly. There were two players I would have moved up for if they fell and he was one of them.
     
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  5. Stitches

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    I'd have taken Kuechly at 9 if he made it.
     
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  6. Fin-Omenal

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    I've drafted who I wanted over someone else's BPA every since I've been in this league....sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Just like the million dollar "experts" who are wrong a high % of the time.

    I'm sure many thought my pick of Green was too early or a reach....but he's who I targeted and who zi was going to get. Even if I wasn't going to be able to trade out of 48 wich I did...I was ready to take him then.
     
  7. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Round 2 is over so here we go again.

    Value
    38. Denver Broncos - Devon Still, DT, Penn State
    41. Oakland Raiders - Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
    45. Dallas Cowboys - Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
    62. San Francisco 49ers - Amini Silatolu, OG, Midwestern State
    63. New York Jets - Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson


    Reach
    33. New York Giants - Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
    43. Seattle Seahawks - Zach Brown, LB, North Carolina
    46. Pittsburgh Steelers - Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
    51. Houston Texans - Juron Crider, WR, Arizona
    52. St. Louis Rams - Ladarius Green, TE, UL Lafayette


    We'll see come draft day if I'm right.
     
  8. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I don't think Zach Brown is a reach.
     
  9. finsbuck719

    finsbuck719 New Member

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    I watched a few games from his 2010 season and a few from his 2011 season and although they didn't run strictly man 2 man, it seemed like he was locking his men up everytime they played him in man. I think he has the skills to play both man and zone in the NFL.
     
  10. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I think he is solid but a bit high. Probably wrong but we'll see.
     
  11. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    though I don't like Brown much, I don't think he'll turn out a reach, based on draft day value.
     
  12. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Denard as a reach? Have you gone mad? He's a consensus top 45 pick everywhere I've looked.
     
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  13. Laces Out

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  14. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I think Dwayne Allen was probably a reach, but Dennard is an interesting case because of system fit.

    Then there's also the definition of reach. What do you call a reach? 10 pick difference? IMO no. 30 pick difference? Perhaps but again system fit.
     
  15. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    Taking a 28 yr old qb in rd 1. I call that a reach. :shifty:

    Edit: 28 going on 29.
     
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  16. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I liked Prince coming out. Then again, I like a lot of their secondary players because of how well they're coached.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    Don't see how that is a reach. He's a first round talent, and he's a QB. That seems right to me.
     
  18. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Well, I think the disputed part could be 1st round talent.

    I am, however, fairly certain he is, in fact, a QB though.
     
  19. Anonymous

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    I can accept the fact that you don't view him as a first round talent. I just think the age thing is so overblown.
     
  20. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    Me specifically? I didn't say he wasn't. Just saying it could be disputed.
     
  21. Laces Out

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    They were, until Sanders had to leave. And now USC has a fantastic secondary coach


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  22. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Not a huge fan of Dennard. I feel like he is more Safety prospect. I don't think he is ever going to be a shutdown corner at best I think he is a nickel corner.
     
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  23. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    In a man scheme you might be right. Luckily Im playing zone where his instincts and hands are cash money dude. :)
     
  24. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Well in that case it might be a pretty solid pick.
     
  25. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    BK, you're slacking.
     
  26. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    :lol: From the round there a far more solid value picks than reaches.
     
  27. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    someone once told me by Rd 4 it's a cluster**** anyway, and there really are no reaches.
     
  28. alen1

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    Was talking about round three.
     
  29. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Weak sauce.
     
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  30. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Chill i got this.

    I wrote this in all caps : /
     
  31. Mach

    Mach Cap Dude

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    And I wasn't talking about you, so there!
     
  32. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Value
    67. Minnesota Vikings - Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
    72. Indianapolis Colts - Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
    82. New York Giants - Jared Crick, DE, Nebraska
    94. Jacksonville Jaguars - Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (Ohio)
    C3C. Tennessee Titans - DeAngelo Peterson, TE, LSU

    Reach
    65. San Diego Chargers - Keenan Robinson, LB, Texas
    69. Atlanta Falcons - Tommy Streeter, WR, Miami
    85. Cincinnati Bengals - Ryan Steed, CB, Furman
    84. Green Bay Packers - Russel Wilson, QB, Wisconsin
    96. New York Jets - Chris Rainey, RB/WR, Florida


    Okay so I had to limit the value list a bit. I really liked Schwartz and Crick picks. They are 2nd rounders for sure. Robinson went a bit too early for my taste everyone else I felt was taken a round or 2 too early.
     
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  33. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think theres a strong case for Crick being the best value pick in this entire draft. I had him on my board at 31 but the fact I had 10 DL on my roster already just made it seem idiotic to take an 11th. It was very difficult to continue passing on him. To me the guy is no question a top 40 pick and the fact that a 3-4 team didnt jump and grab him is crazy. Hes the best 3-4 end in the entire draft and I know some of these 3-4 teams need a pass rushing end.
     
  34. Laces Out

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    I have watched Crick and Dennard the most, and I think that they were both extremely undervalued in this draft. I am genuinely curious as to why? I can understand Crick being a little lower in the draft due to the Pec injury, but in looking at testing numbers, he put up 28 reps on the bench, which isn't too shabby coming off the torn pec


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  35. Boik14

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    What I have found the last couple of years is that the more frequently talked about players tend to go higher. So players that are generally thought to be in play for Miami tend to go higher. Crick and Dennard really havent been mentioned much so they flew under the radar. Just like Osweiler. On the contrary people are familiar with players like Streeter and Rainey and I think at times it leads them to be overdrafted a bit (even though I love Streeter's size-speed combo)
     
  36. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    I thought(no offense meant to anyone) people were just trying to outthink the room, but yours makes a lot more sense.


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  37. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I was thinking you might want him why I asked to trade down :lol:
     
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  38. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It crossed my mind, I just couldnt justify it. I needed receivers badly. I only had 4 entering the draft. Adding Marvin and Dwight Jones (not together obviously) were two of the receivers I targeted. I needed height at that position as well.

    If Alshon Jeffery had been there at 24 it would have been a coinflip to trade down or just take him or Mercilus. When Jeffery was taken at 21, 3 picks in front of me, I was confident I would get one of my other two targets (Mercilus and Gilmore) at 31
     
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  39. Sean

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    I know my Streeter pick was a reach, but with the right QB he will be pretty solid IMHO. Couple 1,000 yard seasons here and there, like a much taller Chris Chambers type.
     
  40. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It may have been a slight reach but size-speed combo players like that never last. I love Streeter's size-speed combo and no I am not Al Davis. If a WR runs routes well enough to support that combo then its a less risky pick imo.
     

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