"There is a monumental weakness in the organization" - Buoniconti

And some people just like to talk out of their ***.

 

Over the past 5 seasons Belichick ranks in the bottom 1/3 of the league in regards to starters drafted.

 

Those two TE's are better than most WR's in the league. I'd take either one over any TWO WR's we have on the roster. I was pissed we didn't get Gronk at the time, EVEN MORE PISSED we didn't take Hernandez. And while their defense isn't great, his schemes are. And yeah, funny how when you have a Franchise QB, it makes up for a lot of things. Go figure.

 

I never said he wasn't a good coach. He is a pretty great coach. He is a pretty medoicre to bad drafter.

 

Brady, Gronk, Hernandez, Spikes, Light, Mankins, Mayo, McCourty, Chung, Wilfork, Edelman, Green Ellis (UDFA) (That's off the top of my head, I'm sure they have a couple more)

Conversely, the Dolphins currently have: Odrick, Smith, Davis, Long, Pouncey, Hartline, Bess (UDFA), Jones, Misi, Gates, Clay, Soliai, Jerry(?).

I put a '?' on John Jerry because he only started 3 games last year. I didn't list Daniel Thomas because Reggie Bush is the starter. Either way, there's a pretty huge disparity on talent there with regards to starters drafted by both teams. If Belechick hasn't drafted well, what the **** have we been doing? Mind you, with the exception of Soliai, every other starter was drafted while Jeff Ireland has been GM.

 

ummmm ... here? the post I quoted to begin with?

 

I amdefending Nick all the way on this , we have a sucky wr corp the continuing revolving door at qb so I dont see us in any way are improving . and for the record if some of you were to ask other former dolphins they may tell you the same.



rule of thumb if the media , other fans and coaches and gms can see it but fin fans cant or wont see it then that that denies miami will beleft behine.

 

I'll admit, my response to your first post can be confusing.

Basically it went like this, when you asked:

I responded with:

To get you to clarify what your definition of dynamic was, not because I was going to answer that question.

The rest of my post was a response to the rest of your post (which seemed separate from your question about dynamic).

So I see the the problem this time, and I apologize for my part in the confusion.

However, everything I said about the FO i still think and I also think you should define what you think dynamic is. Because people can't even a agree what "elite" means.

 

A. You're posing a loaded question that can't be fairly answered, but nice try.

Your question is no different than me asking you in 2002 for evidence why Drew Brees is a great NFL QB.
There was no actual evidence at that time b/c it was his first year as a starter after previously watching from the sideline.
In lamen's terms, Ireland is a 1 year starter heading into year 2. It was Parcells' team prior with Ireland essentially a GM in training, hence Parcells saying upon his departure that he felt Ireland was ready to hand the reigns over to.


B. You seem to be trying to get reasons from FinD to show "why" we should keep Ireland.
Ireland's not guilty until proven innocent; he's innocent until proven guilty.
Therefore, if any fans believe he should be fired, the responsibility lay on them to prove VIA FACT that he deserves such action rather than on FinD to prove why he doesn't.

 

Franchise QB and Elite WR's. The days of Marino, Duper, Clayton, Moore, Jensen are long gone. Just shows how having all the jigsaw pieces in place to have a powerhouse Offense are soon forgotten. Its almost like have forgotten the yrs that made us what we are. If we had the same team now we would be the Packers and then some. Seems that whatever advances we make on Defense we take a step back on Offense.

 

Dont get mad at Ireland b/c Parcells ran the draft and appeared to not give a crap about the TE position and would rather have a Joey Haynos that Hernandez.
And don't get mad at Ireland that Parcells didn't seem to give a crap about our WR position considering we only drafted 2 in 3 years, one of which his wonderful Patrick Turner.

 

Todd, just curious...are you taking old Chad Henne posts and just plugging Ireland's name in?

 

nope

 

Just curious, was that a jab?

 

Nope. Just getting de ja vu reading your Ireland defense posts.

 

When I use the word Elite in terms of a position, I mean top 5, when I use it as a term to describe measurables, like athleticism, once you reach a certain level, it doesn't get much better...Coby Fleener has elite athleticism..

 

sorry to disturb your intense thread here, but I really want to know what y'all are gonna get me for being in the cool 1000 rep club, which you guys are not at this point?? shall I give you an address for gifts?

 

Following the 2009 season were you screaming for Henne to be replaced?

 

I'm gonna send you FinD's ex girlfriend to give you herpes.

 

Top 5 playing or Top 5 all time or Top 5 of current era? Define athleticism.

As a graphic designer I run in to this kind of thing all the time. A client says I like blue, use blue. I say, define blue. Blue like NY Giants? Blue like UNC? Somewhere in between that? Just "blue" is too generic.

I think that's why I want specifics when dealing with Ireland. He drafted players. Define that. Did he draft his players or Parcells players? Etc.

 

I think unless you specify differently, current era, top 5 at position would be elite in my book.

Define athleticism??, without getting to clinical, I would say that when you put elite in front of the word athleticism it means the player has dynamic/explosive movements combined with coordination, the ability to contort the body into positions that most could not..So if I say for example say a guy has elite athleticism, it doesn't mean he's top 5 in that dept, it means he's able to reach certain levels of athleticism that only few have..

Its kind of like musicianship..You may not like all styles of music, but elite musicianship is achieved in all styles of music..

 

My question is not meant to be loaded. I would say the Bush trade was a pretty decent deal orchastrated by Ireland and the Marshall trade to the Bears was a pretty bad trade. I see Ireland as a very average GM. Unlike some of you I do count everything he has done here including when he was under BP. I do not think Ireland should be fired just for the sake of getting rid of him but I also think Ross should be looking around for a better GM and be prepared to make that GM an offer if such an opprotunity arises.

For the sake of discussion this is why I think Ireland should be held accountable for things that happened while BP was here too. Lets say Bill tells Jeff go get me a pass rusher and Ireland brings in Wake. Why isnt it fair to give Ireland credit for filling BP's order? Now in a case like Pat White If Ireland said no way and Parcell's overode him and drafted the guy anyway, Ireland should get credit for going against BP on that and he shouldnt be held accountable for that pick. A player they both agreed on like Chad Henne I think they both deserve equally blame/credit for drafting. IMO that is a reasonable way to evaluate his job performance so far.

The reason I asked the question I did is because I wanted to steer the conversation towards people presentiung concrete evidence of why they had faith in Ireland being or becoming a strong GM. It was not meant to be loaded it was meant to be constructive.

 

Basicaly your telling us that its not just here that your a pain in the butt your also one in the real world too. Thats sure good to know

 

I think the main problem with the Dolphin's front office is they try to "play it safe" all the time. When have the Dolphins taken any chances by drafting a QB in the first round? It seems like they would rather take "ok average" players who won't become busts, but they have very limited upside. So as a result, we always seem to win 5 to 10 games, and we never are lousy enough to be able to draft a franchise QB, but we are never good enough to be a consistent playoff team. I would rather take some chances, and if we fail, we fail, but at least our offense wouldn't be like watching paint dry.

 

really? All the time?

 

His first season "In Charge" and we have a laughable coaching search and then extend a dead coach walking to make amends? It was a national running joke and you think coaches didn't look at the job differently after that? He either initiated the failed search or let Ross push him around and either way thats not the guy you want running a franchise. Its very rational to think he should be fired after that disaster, the people that make excuses for it are being very irrational, its not how business is done and its bush league. And it failed, you fail and rationally you lose your job. A GM's job is to get talent and a coaching staff that wins games, we have no franchise talent we have a losing franchise, its very rational to expect results from the GM.

 

So if your boss tells you to do something, and you do it, then your boss is pushing you around?

 

Good point. Philbin's failing 2012 season is definitely grounds to fire everyone.

 

Except for Pat White, yes.