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Ross reaches out to fan talks about Marshall and other issues

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    More than likely he recognized a dysfunctional team member who, no matter how talented, by past and recent action has proven he cannot manage himself in a mature fashion. Oh, he also has a bad case of the end-zone dropsy for a 45 million dollar wide receiver. Think Ryan Leaf at wide receiver. Or Terrell Owens lite (all the calories, less talent!)
     
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  2. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Todd, what in the name of pluperfect purgatory are you doing up this time of the day.
     
  3. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    :lol: getting ready to go to bed. :shifty:
     
  4. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    :lol: I see what you did there. [​IMG]



    Nice post, too.
     
  5. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    13-19 kinda says so, granted the AFCE tends to be a tough division, however by yr #5 of the parcells great dolphins robbery, we should have made some improvement by now.

    If one flashes back to the aftermath of 2007, and think about our issues then:

    -Qb
    -OL
    -no #1 Wr as we traded Chambers
    -Defense had gotten old

    Aside from youth on D, which is about to hit FA, we have the same issues, this after 2 #1's on the OL. In this case missing on Henne really really hurt this franchise, miscalculating Brandon Marshall's state of beingness also hurt us, as did missing on some draft choices on the OL.

    This is why I went from being a big Ireland fan, to being dubious about the job he is doing, don't hate him just think he has to do better to keep his job.
     
  6. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    There are some on here that feel season ticket sales don't matter. Obviously Ross doesn't agree with these individuals since he took the time to call a fan who has purchased season tickets for the last 20 years to offer an explanation of what has happened recently with the Dolphins. The fact Ross took the time to speak to a season ticket holder and not the media, shows quite clearly how important Ross feels season ticket holders are to the Dolphin organization. Season ticket sales continue to diminish because of Ross's decision to retain Ireland and the feeling of many former season ticket holders that this FO just doesn't have a clear plan of how to turn this organization around.

    Two years ago, Ireland traded two second round draft picks for Marshall, who was a head case for his former team. While Marshall was obviously somewhat productive on the field, Ross made it very clear that Marshall was a major problem off the field and in the club house when he stated that the Dolphins would have cut Marshall if they had been unable to find a trading partner for Marshall. Ireland was the GM who made this trade two years ago and it failed because it cost the Dolphins two second round picks and even with all the catches Marshall had over these two years, he also led the league in dropped passes and he certainly didn't help the Dolphins win games since they were 13-19 during his stay in Miami.

    Ross just doesn't yet get where the real problem with this team is, but I do believe he to wants build a winning team in Miami. Perhaps after the Dolphins have another unsuccessful season in 2012, Ross will realize that it wasn't all the coaching or Parcells that were the problem, but the man responsible for player personnel decisions who has been the problem all along. Unfortunately it will cost Dolphin fans at least one more sub 500 season for Ross to see the truth, but hopefully this will be Ireland's last year as the teams GM and Ross will actually hire a new GM after this coming season who has a plan on how to turn the Dolphins into a winning organization once again.
     
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  7. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    I can understand much of what you have said, and to some point agree. My problem is that I don't know how much of the 13-19 is based on the ingredients on the field or the chef doing the cooking - to borrow the Parcells aphorism. A great chef can make a good meal out of absolutely nothing. A lousy cook can take the best groceries and make an inedible and indigestible disaster. There have been some flops in filling the pantry, to be sure. But that happens in every NFL kitchen. But when the favorite menu item was a field goal souffle for the past three years, and the main directive was to not drop the toast while running to the dining table and don't get burnt in the deep fryer instead of fire up the grill and throw some thick passes... well.. not a satisfying meal, is it? :pity:
     
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  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, for me, the same thinking behind moving Brandon Marshall out of town applies to Jeff Ireland, when you see the same things happening over and over, the reasons behind them happening become less excusable and the results matter more and more.

    When your chef has to have the most expensive ingredients to make the simplest of dishes, you probably need a new chef as the one you have is not efficiently allocating their budget, when you wind up with sirloin steak because they bought 20 dollar a pound organic potatoes, you cannot afford to keep them b/c they are not producing a good product on the plate. Most want premium steak, the potatoes don't really matter.
     
  9. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    I'd rather have had him admit that he and Ireland screwed up. Everyone else knows it, denying it just compounds the embarrassment.
     
  10. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    While Ross making that call can be twisted in a bad light by some, I think it was a solid move. It shows that he is at least paying attention to what is going on down in Davie. Unlike Many, I believe the guy wants a winning franchise and I don't think he is the big meddler that he is portrayed as. The only things you can really pin on him is the misguided pursuit of Harbaugh and retaining Jeff Ireland this offseason and I'm not certain that the latter is a bad thing.
     
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  11. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...urrently-at-Dolphins-HQ&p=1729635#post1729635

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...urrently-at-Dolphins-HQ&p=1728620#post1728620

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...-going-hard-after-Flynn&p=1719223#post1719223

    http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...s-12-Minutes-29-Seconds&p=1698042#post1698042
     
  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    ToddsPhins: BLUB BLUB. Chad Henne is as good as Peyton Manning! Here's some stats to prove it!!!!
    [Chad Henne not resigned]
    ToddsPhins: BLUB BLUB. Jeff Ireland is a great GM!!!!

    :shifty:
     
  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The major problem you have is you assume they still thought of Matt Flynn as a starter.

    They didn't. Ross said so. But you want to believe it sooooooooooooooooo bad for some reason, you think things like what Flynn said about SEATTLE are an indictment of Miami. So you are not basing your opinions on facts.

    FACT: We didn't think Flynn was a stater.
    PROOF: 1: Ross said so. 2: We offered him a non-starter contract. 3: He accepted a starter contract with Seattle.
    CONJECTURE ON YOUR PART: We wanted Flynn to be a starter. Ireland was talking about him in those quotes. Garrard was a last ditch effort to sign a starter, even though he received a one year non guaranteed contract.

    How do you read that and not come to the conclusion you're being irrational and emo?

    You are actually arguing against drafting and grooming a franchise QB (you know the way its done) because they didn't sign a FA franchise QB when there weren't any. Do you understand that, your desire for a FA franchise QB does not equal Matt Flynn being one. Do you know more about Flynn than Philbin?

    Yes, Ireland is happy with the QB situation at this juncture. He has Matt Moore, a successful veteran for a backup and a real chance to draft their guy in April. What is their not to like?
     
  14. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    Odd isn't it FinD? Politically you and I are cut from two different strips of wood. Couldn't see eye to eye if our lives depended on it, but this....

    You and I are right there brother. I called it way back then when everyone had that Viagra hard on for Flynn...that if Philbin wanted him, I'd go with his opinion, but if he didn't, then let it go...

    But people STILL won't let it go. It's as if these Monday Morning Armchair Quarterbacks know Matt Flynn better than the man who coached him the last what, 3 years in Green Bay?

    :pity:
     
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  15. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    I think it was a nice gesture to reach out like that and answer 'the' questions like he did..
    I'm sure everyone here knows he doesn't have to answer to anyone.
    Thumbs up to Ross.
     
  16. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Personally , I appreciate the fact Ross reached out to a fan and cleared the air about a few things. Of course its all here say unless he puts a winner on the field but at least he discussed some moves from a fans point of view. Some people are going to stay negative no matter what but would you have liked it better if Ross said " No, I`m not speaking to any fan about organizational matters. I owe the fans no explanation at all for our moves. This is my team and my business and I`ll run it the way I see fit ".

    He would be buried if he said those things but he - for what ever its worth - tried to at least level to the fans and he still gets bashed.


    We have a new coach that I actually believe in so I choose to wipe the slate clean ( again ) and see what kind of draft we have and what product we field next year.
     
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  17. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    I like how you cant see past the obvious spin.
     
  18. Califin

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    Ross mentioned "Peyton Manning wasn't comfortable with the Dolphins"

    The only reason that has ever made any sense to me, that would preclude Miami from even consideration, has been for the simple reason that this is "Dan's" town.

    Although perfectly understandable, such a reason would not be best served by revealing to the fans, but one merely out of personal respect for a friend, and former division contemporary/rival who never championed the league, but instead championed a city.

    Fresh off his own emotional stage having departed Indy, after witnessing first hand his own legacy under seige by Luck, driven out from the town HE clearly intends to retire with,
    I can easily assume Peyton realized the legacy that exists in Miami.

    Rather than preempt whatever slowly diminishing acclaim Dan still enjoys, I suspect Manning simply removed it from his list of options.
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Lol. You're right, Matt Flynn just hates Ireland, and instead of being reunited with his coach his hatred was for a guy he'll never have to deal with was so strong he went to Seattle for less money. That is so much more plausible.

    And if there were other teams that wanted Marshall who were they and what were they willing to spend?
     
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  20. ToddsPhins

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    too bad for you you're making your BLUB BLUB story up while mine is accurate. true story.
     
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  21. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    I think Bush could be the perfect running back for this new offense. He is decent out of the back field and good in the open field. With the check downs we are going to have we are going to see a lot of Bush.



     
  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    [video=youtube_share;YWshbNTYVqg]http://youtu.be/YWshbNTYVqg[/video]
     
  23. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    As opposed to signing in Elway's town?
     
  24. Sethdaddy8

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    One thing I'll say is, this is an epic argument, and the reason message boards exist, other than streamlining and sharing info.

    There's just the right amount of taking it personal and keeping it on point. We will talk about the Irish off season years from now.

    And I picture FinD typing away as his house nearly burns, and I rebut through my grandpa goggles right after eye surgery. This is a classic for all.

    Ps. You Irish nut huggers are still crazy.


    Sent from my iPhone
     
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  25. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    While I understand the sentimental reason you give, for me it's safer to say Peyton didn't feel comfortable coming to a team that has a new head coach and having to go through the growing pains the entire team would endure with the new offensive system.

    At least in Denver, he'll be on a team with the same offensive unit that's played under the same offensive system and within themselves are a cohesive unit. We'll have growing pains in Miami which, had Peyton signed in Miami, could have translated into severe neck pains for Manning.
     
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  26. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Why would Manning not come to Miami, where Marino never won any Super Bowls, yet have no problem going to Denver where Elway won two Super Bowls. I don't think the ."Marino factor" had anything to do with him not deciding to play for the Dolphins.

    Manning met with Ross, Ireland , and Philbin, and according to Ross, Manning didn't feel comfortable enough with the Dolphins to sign with the team. It is obvious from this comment that these three men did not provide Manning with the same feeling of competence which the Broncos FO and HC were able to convey to Manning. It appears to me that the Dolphins FO and HC were not able to convince Manning that they have a clear plan going forward to turn this organization around. It was the responsibility of these three men to convey to Manning why the Dolphins were the best team for him to sign with. The fact he felt uncomfortable with the Dolphins is a direct negative reflection on the men Manning met with.

    To go after a future HOF QB in an attempt to upgrade the position and eventually having to SETTLE for a QB which was cut from his previous team before last season even started, shows how far this organization
    has fallen over the last few years.
     
  27. Fin D

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    Manning never wanted to come to Miami. He was convinced to meet with us and we did meet with him. Those are facts.

    Saying he didn't come here cause he didn't like the way the organization was run, is not a fact.

    Now, that could have been his reason he said he wasn't comfortable. It also could be that he didn't want to go to 6-10 team with a brand new HC when a team that went deep into the playoffs was available. Both of those are plausible. We do not know which of these was the reason.

    Also, its ridiculous that you think the Manning and Garrard moves were related. Basically Manning was playing the lottery and Garrard was a savings account. Their plan all along was to have Moore, a vet backup (like Flynn, Garrard) and draft a qb. If Manning becomes available we go into a contingency plan that supersedes all other plans. If we don't get him back to our original plan. Is that fact? No. Do I evidence? Yes.

    EVIDENCE FOR MY STANCE: We offered low non starting type contracts to Flynn, Smith & Garrard. We haven't gotten rid of Moore. Ross said the FO & Coaching staff feel those three guys were no better than Moore.
    EVIDENCE FOR YOUR STANCE: Matt Flynn said something nice about the Seahawks, so clearly that was a swipe at Miami. You already think Ireland sucks, so this has to be further proof he sucks.

    Any rational, non emotionally vested person would see that my evidence is 10 fold more compelling.
     
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  28. slickj101

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    I agree to an extent. I think he's great in that receiving role and in space, but I don't like him running between the tackles at all.

    That and I really doubt he could hold up to that kind of use all season.
     
  29. djphinfan

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    Depends on who we prefer at Qb in the draft, if it's Weeden, Fleener, Wright, or Floyd could replace Marshall's dynamic.
     
  30. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    $96,000,000 in salary.
    $50,000,000 in cap to spend.

    Voila!!
     
  31. jw3102

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    The problem with your explanation is you seem to think that the Dolphins are planning to draft a QB in the 2012, which you and the FO think will solve the issue as to who will be the Dolphins long term starter. If they had moved up in the draft to the second position and selected RG3, I would agree with you. Unfortunately I just don't think that Tannehill, Weeden, or any of the other QB's in this draft, except for RG3 and Luck will ever be anything but mediocre starting QB's or backups in the NFL. My view is that no matter what the Dolphins do in the draft this year, they will still be looking for their future starting QB when the 2013 draft comes around.

    I agree that Flynn and Smith were not worth large contracts and I'm not upset the Dolphins didn't overpay for them. I wanted Manning because I saw him as the only chance of this team being relevant in the next 3-4 years. Obviously he decided not to come to Miami. I think the people running the organization had a lot to do with this and you don't. As far as my view of Ireland goes, I don't think he sucks as a human being, and I don't dislike him on a personal level since I don't know him. My problem with him is that I don't think he is a good NFL GM.

    You feel differently regarding Ireland, but as you stated, "any rational, non emotially vested person", can look at the 20-28 record of the Dolphins over the last three years and clearly see that the players selected by Ireland aren't able to get the job done. Of course you want to blame it all on the coaching. So to you, Ireland can do no wrong and it was all Sparano and Parcells fault. I blame all of these men for the failures of the Dolphins in the last three years and since Sparano was fired and Parcells left the organization, I just don't understand why Ross has decided to stick with a GM who has done a very poor job of rebuilding this team over the last four years.
     
  32. jw3102

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    That makes sense, I will admit that. Of course it was Ross who stated that he would not be outbid for Manning. So I have to assume he was willing to beat that $96,000,000 offer.

    All I have read on here prior to Manning signing with the Broncos was now much more talented the Dolphins were than the Broncos and how Manning would be dumb not to select the Dolphins roster over the Broncos roster. Well Manning obviously isn't dumb because he just received a $96,000,000 contract after many questioned if he would ever play again. He also must must have looked at the rosters of both these teams and felt that the Broncos are a lot closer to being a Super Bowl contender than the Dolphins are.

    I don't blame him for selecting the Broncos, I think Colorado is a great play to live and I would rather work for Bowlen and Elway than Ross and Ireland too. I was just hoping he would come to the Dolphins and he didn't. Now we will have to wait until 2013 and hope there is a QB in the draft or in free agency who will be this teams long term solution at that position. With Manning in Denver and Luck and RG3 set to be selected by the Colts and Redskins, I don't see any hope in filling our, "QB of the future" need with what is left in the draft and free agency this year.
     
  33. Fin D

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    You are arguing two different things now. First you act like we gave eve4ryhting we could to Manning (we didn't), to Flynn (we didn't), to Smith (we didn't) and had to sign Garrard to fill the role Manning would have had. I think I've proven that to not be true. In the face of the proof I provided, you're now making this about you don't think any QB in the draft is worth anything (minus Luck/RGIII). That's a different argument and one I'm not qualified to have, because I'm not a scout or guru. I don't know enough about any QB to make a judgement call like that.

    I have never said I think Ireland is a good GM. If Ireland had been in control for 3-4 years and that was our record over that time, I'd agree with you. He wasn't though. Combat that with something other than he had the title of GM. and we'll talk.
     
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  34. What do you think Ireland did while Parcells was here, bring him coffee?
     
  35. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    But he called collect...:hi5:
     
  36. Fin D

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    That's just stupid.

    Is it beyond the realm of possibility that Ireland was forced to pick players that fit Parcells mold?
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    Thanks Red, that's mighty nice of ya..Just didn't think the dude had the upside to sacrifice other options for our future..

    Rivers, hmmmm, not gonna do it, not at this juncture..
     
  38. slickj101

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    While watching fupa piss away a 2nd on Pat White probably.
     
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  39. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Two fair points Sec but neither one has anything to do with our owner..
     
  40. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    I would guess he focused primarily on scouting. Well, that and foraging around oak trees, of course.
     

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