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Research Report: Ryan Tannehill

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dolfan7171, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    The comparison isn't for size or speed. It is purely for how they play.


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  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Size and speed are big variables on how people play
     
  4. rafael

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    This is not a move made out of desperation. I was saying that I would take Tannehill above RG3 a month ago. I based that on his demonstrated skills. I'm actually more worried that he'll be gone before our pick. IMO most scouts have Tannehill up there in the to 10, but the fans and media who focus more on stats are behind. This reminds me of Rivers and his "rise up the boards". I was posting that he was worth a first round pick when the media had him as a 3rd rounder. I was sure that the scouts who evaluated his skills would have him in the first round. Reality is that he never moved up the scout's board. He was there all along. I see Tannehill the same way. His skills have had him in the top 10 all along, but media (and fans) haven't figured it out yet.
     
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  5. Laces Out

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    Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Colt McCoy and Ryan Tannehill play the game similarly and McCoy has less arm strength. Is that clear enough for you now?


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  6. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    I think that's a great analysis. I disagree on not calling Tannehill raw though. His footwork and mechanics are not raw. He is either incredibly natural or he worked on it a ton in H.S. Maybe he just had excellent coaching at that level. His feet and shoulders are consistently in near perfect position. He throws on balance most of the time. There are, however, aspects of his game that are still raw. I don't think he sees the field well enough when his primary read is taken away. He moves around well in the pocket to buy time, but ends to wait for the receiver to be open rather than anticipating where/when he'll get open. I also think he hasn't developed the ability to throw a receiver open. He shows flashes of it though, so I think it's just an experience thing. I think that if he's a given a year to watch and learn, that he could potentially be every bit as good as Rodgers in our offense.

    I do put a great deal of emphasis on what a QB does under pressure. IMO that's what separates the franchise QBs from everybody else. That's where I see Moore as limited. I think Moore has great arm talent, but slow feet. I don't think he's good enough when pressured. I don't think he has the physical ability to escape the pocket or enough pocket awareness to move around in the pocket and buy time. I see him as a guy who we can with and can get us to the playoffs, but would need a lot of help for the team to get beyond that.
     
  7. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I liked the write up, but I agreed with most of the write up, but there were a few things I saw differently. Most notably his throwing mechanics. At times he has good mechanics and at others they get sloppy. This is the sign of someone that hasn't been coached up a lot or hasn't thrown a ton of balls over and over again. It makes sense though because he did play WR for couple seasons. With some coaching in the NFL this should improve and fast; he has the proper mechanics at times, but he just needs to keep repeating them over and over again to always throw like that. Additionally, I haven't really seen a great amount of arm strength. When I say this I am not talking about how far he can throw the ball, but how fast he can get the ball from point A to point B. On a couple short crossing patterns I have seen him throw the ball so slow that the CB has had time to jump the route and pick the ball off (when the CB was trailing the WR before the throw). Now whether this was him "throwing his hardest" or trying to "throw a easy, catchable ball" I don't know. I have seen him throw the ball far, but I haven't seen that many plays where he just guns the ball in there on shorter routes. I, personally, think that he has the ability to gun the ball, he just was trying to throw catchable balls since his WRs had a crazy amount of drops. Another nit-picky thing is his ball fakes to HBs are not great, they could get dramatically better in my opinion.

    Some pros I saw are pocket awareness, throwing on the run, scrambling while keeping his eyes down field, feel for the game, but the most impressive thing I have see by far is his ability to go through his progressions. You watch him on plays and can see him going through all the progressions which is so impressive for a college QB. I saw one play were he went through all 5 progressions and then started back at his first one (he had all day in the pocket, but still).

    As far as I am concerned, he has all the intangibles to make it in the NFL; *IF* his arm is good enough. His arm in my opinion is the biggest question mark. Most QBs coming out of college its their intangibles and can they handle a different NFL offensive system, but Tannehill is a different breed. I am not sure that he has the necessary arm to make it in the NFL. I wouldn't bet against him, I am just saying if he fails in the NFL it will be because of his arm. I just would have like to see more consistent accuracy from him in college. We have to hope that can be fixed by improving his mechanisms and getting them "set."

    I think there is a real chance the Cleveland Browns take him, but if he makes it to our position I am fairly confident saying he will be our pick.

    If you want to watch some good tape on him watch the LSU game from last year. He is going up against Morris Claiborne, Patrick Peterson, and Honey Badger.
    [video=youtube;oXDEzCf3C7Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXDEzCf3C7Y&feature=related[/video]
     
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  8. ToddsPhins

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    most fans: Ryan Mallett = 1st round franchise QB b/c his stats & media say so and b/c he throws it 90 yards. {this isn't directed at those who liked him b/c of his film}
    Scouts & NFL: Ryan Mallett = 3rd rounder
    Fans & media: "NE just got the steal of the draft"

    Fans: Ryan Tannehill = 3rd round QB b/c the stats & media say so and b/c he used to be a WR
    Scouts & NFL: Ryan Tannehill = 1st rounder
    Fans: "teams are just desperate. We'd rather have Mallett. Miami is stupid. Belichick is a genius."
     
  9. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Yes, just meaningless. Especially since arm strength also changes the way a player plays the game.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

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    He spent time at WR in high school too IIRC. I forget the ratio but I thought it was something like half-half.
    To me he seems like a natural passer who picks up on stuff quickly or takes to coaching easily.... or likely both.
    I liked his feet and shoulders as well but I came away believing his delivery lacked consistency (and not in a bad way, just in a need more coaching & repetition way). Thoughts?
     
  11. Laces Out

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    Todd, there are a lot of scouting profiles that have Tannehill as a low 1st-high 2nd pick. There are a lot that have him as a sure fire 1st. Opinions are all over the board on this guy. I personally don't like him as a QB due to inconsistent mechanics(which may or may not be correctable, depends on which team he lands on and how much development is allowed). I will say this, I still think he would make a better WR like Brad Smith.


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  12. Laces Out

    Laces Out Well-Known Member

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    Then put something meaningful out. Impress me. I made what I think is a fairly appropriate comparison, and all you want to do is play the semantics game.


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  13. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    He does have good mechanics though. They just are inconsistent, one one play they look great then on the next they look completely different. This is typical of a QB that hasn't played that much. Tannehill has only been a QB for like 2 years in college. With repetition and practice in the NFL his mechanics will be fine. They are good now, they just need to be more consistent which happens with reps.
     
  14. Laces Out

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    You're better than this post. Read mine again. I said inconsistent mechanics.


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  15. alen1

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    Many disagree but Tannehill's value is round 2 IMO.
     
  16. fins4o8

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    Mayock agree's with you on, Path to the Draft.
     
  17. bakedmatt

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    So true.

    And I liked Mallet.
     
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  18. bakedmatt

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    Where do you think he ranks with Jake Locker and Christian Ponder?
     
  19. alen1

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    Have to admit though, Mallett has some talent and I never claimed to be his biggest fan. He can throw, but his issue is pressure + decision making. And of course drugs.
     
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    I think he's more accurate than Locker, but I think Locker was more fundamentally sound. Ponder was more sound than both of those I thought, but had less physical talent.
     
  21. ToddsPhins

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    Nice analysis, and I agree with all of it except the bold. IMO his arm strength/velocity is one of the traits that excites me. The deep out (even from the far hash) that not many QBs can attempt w/o fear of a pick, Tannehill can make those look easy at times IMO.



    8:01 mark below: this should be all the reassurance needed. Pass gets to McNeal in a hurry. Impact sounds like a hit from a defender.
    [video=youtube;9BATjEpA6nA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BATjEpA6nA&feature=related[/video]

    All game long you can hear the "pop".
    Down the seam to Swope at the 6:10 mark was quite nice, too.


    ***I laugh when I hear people say stupid stuff like "well maybe if Tannehill were better Sherman would've been fired". If Fuller doesn't slip and allow an INT and easy Ok St points and Kendrick McNeil doesn't fumble the big pass play down the middle, A&M could've very easily won that game. Despite the stats (INT column) this was a great performance by Ryan IMO.***




    [video=youtube;C2heGLAjiDc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2heGLAjiDc[/video]
    -2:45.... you can hear the thud as it hits Fuller
    -...and the 2 plays after it
    3:51....15 yard dart into tight coverage
    4:46... flicks a cross the body throw 17 yards with ease & on the money.
    5:00... some mustard on this one
    5:22... more mustard
     
  22. rafael

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    I thought his delivery was pretty consistent. I really think most of his mistakes came from issues seeing the field. I didn't know he played WR in HS too. Apparently, he's really smart so he could be just picking things up quickly. But he does things like dipping his shoulders to protect the football as he avoids pressure that generally only come from coaching and a ton of reps.
     
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    Oh no, I agree. I wasn't alluding that if it sounded that way. That was more a knock on vocal arm chair fans who go by stats, media, and combine throws alone.
     
  24. ToddsPhins

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    Good point.

    Maybe I'm not conveying myself right regarding "consistency", or maybe I'm just wrong which is entirely possible, too. lol. I'm not trying to say he's inconsistent in the sense that he's frequently sloppy & unsound. I meant inconsistent in the sense that IMO he's not yet fully consistent, that he has some room to improve in this area b/c there are times where he seems to push the ball, and some of his "pat throws" seem to occasionally get his upper and lower body out of rhythm b/c of the hesitation involved which allows his lower body to get out in front leaving his upper body hurrying to catch up (which you already know happens). I didn't see it every time, just occasionally. So for me, I consider the patting as part of "inconsistency" b/c IMO it needs to be coached out of him if possible.

    IMO, occasionally his delivery appears slightly more elongated than others and leads to some errant passes but to me that's just about lack of repetition.

    I also believe his deep ball mechanics could use a little work b/c they don't seem to have the consistency that his other throws possess (like the deep out), but that's likely due to lack of repetition b/c I think Sherman's smart enough to know that he can't develop every aspect of a raw QB's game in such a short period of time. So rather than splitting practice & rep time between all the throws, I think it's likely Sherman chose a few areas to develop soundly in order to give Ryan & his offense some strengths, right?..... because if Sherman had Tannehill split the time evenly wouldn't that be like making him a "jack of all trades, master of none"? So personally, I'm not worried about the downfield issues that others criticize.
     
  25. ToddsPhins

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    Call me crazy but I'd rather have Tannehill than Rivers (if he were in this draft), especially from the neck up, his demeanor, and what comes out of his mouth (or doesn't).
     
  26. djphinfan

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    Something keeps telling me to trade down and get him, there's a lot to like, but the progressions are hanging me up a bit, he seems very focused in that first option, are you seeing any concerns there?
     
  27. alen1

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    You're not moving down to get him IMO. You take him at 8 or you miss out. I'm just saying, his true value to me is second round; that doesn't mean he's oing there. Sometimes he does on first read but in terms of first read, no concerns there. It's overall. I think he needs a clearer picture when he's throwing.
     
  28. alen1

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    I wouldn't say that. I'm just another guy here on the boards, I've always said that and viewed myself that way. The badge or whatever is there, but I don't really care about it nor do I really want it, honestly. That will never change. I have respect for the others as well as the one's who work on that alone (i.e. Kiper, McShay, etc.). I don't necessarily read their opinion, actually don't at all now that I think of it, but they've been doing it for a while.

    You're right on Moore, but wouldn't say I love Weeden. I think he has talent, but I think there's issues.
     
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