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Ross reaches out to fan talks about Marshall and other issues

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Mar 23, 2012.

  1. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    The only thing comparable in FA to replace him with would be Vincent Jackson, who is was not exactly an great community citizen either, lol. Maybe the plan is to get one in the draft? We only traded Marshall a week or 2 ago. Whats to say we dont nab Blackmon or Floyd?
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think that's fair Blitz, I recall Todd defending Henne because of very poor coaching, the fact that the Qb in question had his offensive coordinator, head coach and Qb coach fired wasn't such a stretch to show why the Qb failed..

    I criticized Henne, but then defended Henne's play as well after I realized he was in a no win situation

    Win some you lose some, name of the game, be right more often..
     
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  3. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    This is the answer, Floyd or Blackmon.
     
  4. Is it beyond the possibility that Ireland liked the players he picked
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Nope it isn't. Both scenarios are plausible. Which is why I'm not sure anyone can make a definitive decision one way or another. Which has been my point all along.
     
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  6. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Pretty sure that makes you an Ireland-lover.
     
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  7. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    Exactly, TDK.
    It's a potential disaster having 2 alpha males on the same team who both want to run the offense their way.
    Philbin has likely been working on his new offense from the night he signed with us, meanwhile Peyton's idea of what he wants might call for coach Philbin to scrap everything he's been working on.


    **Peyton most likely was apprehensive about Miami for 2 main reasons:
    1. Will the offensive minded Philbin allow Peyton to run the offense to his liking?
    2. If Peyton is allowed to run the offense his way, will it cause a rift or tension between himself and coach who knows one reason he was hired was for his offensive prowess?


    (I can only speculate, but the logic makes it by far the most likely of ALL reasons.)
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Mainly Jeff Ireland is genetically incapable of drafting a Wr with a high draft choice, the souless ginger in him cannot allow that to happen.
     
  9. jw3102

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    You feel that Ireland wasn't in control as the GM while Parcells was with the organization. I just differ with you and feel that Ireland had a great deal to do with the players selected in the draft and in free agency for all four years he has been here. Therefore I do hold him responsible for the teams record over the last four years.

    I just find it perplexing that there are individuals on here who want to credit Ireland for the the draft picks and free agent signings they liked while Parcells was with the team, but they want to blame Parcells for all the draft picks and free agent signings they didn't like. If I only thought Ireland was responsible for the time since Parcells left the organization, I would probably be more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    I just don't feel he was as powerless during the time Parcells was here as you do. Therefore that is the reason I hold him responsible for the teams failure during his entire time as the teams GM.
     
  10. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    probably.... and scouting duties in accordance with Parcells' mold of what HE likes in a player. That and learning the duties of GM just like most people do while grooming for a position, hence Parcells saying that he felt comfortable turning the reigns over to Ireland when he left.




    January 17, 2008 RealFootball365 article by Joe Mays (award winning writer): "Cooking with Bill Parcells"
    http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/dolphins/7509
    You can either accept it or I can hand you a shovel to dig an even deeper hole. :wink2:
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    There are two minor issues I see with Ross doing this:

    - You're essentially pinning the decision to pass on Matt Flynn on Philbin.
    - You're somewhat sharing draft plans.

    I do think that going public on Marshall was a smart move, even if he was just making it up
     
  12. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Not if you already know you can win a SB with Matt Moore. :lol:

    I say that in joking, but watch us not land Weedon or Tannehill and there'll be riots.
     
  13. Fin D

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    I don't feel he was "powerless". I feel wasn't allowed to bring in the football players he thought were good. I do think he was given free reign to bring in football players Parcells would think were good.

    EVIDENCE FOR MY THOUGHTS: Parcells notorious and well documented ego. Last years' haul from Ireland after Parcells was gone. The steady march of Parcells-type players (Henne, Turner, Marshall, Fasano, Long, etc.).
    EVIDENCE FOR YOUR THOUGHTS: .................? Nothing I can see other than Ireland sucks, it must be true.

    Like before, either one of us could be right. At most there is not enough info/data to be sure one or the other....yet you choose to fire the guy.

    FTR, in case that is where you're going with your last paragraph, I never credited Ireland for the good pick ups during the Parcells era.
     
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  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    This is why this sucks.

    - The media tells the world we're the favorites for Manning. We aren't and the media was lying, but we get held responsible for not living up to the media's lie.
    - The media tells the world we're gonna sign Flynn as our starter. We aren't and the media was lying, but we get held responsible for not living up to the media's lie.
    - Severe fan backlash ensues from the first 2 events. Ross tries to quell the rage. He gets accused of throwing Philbin under the bus and giving up our draft plans.

    Sigh. The world is a toilet and **** is getting deep.
     
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  15. Take your condescending attitude and shove it. When your ready to have a rational conversation, get back to me.
     
  16. Califin

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    A very plausible reason, and one that makes sense when balancing what both teams have to offer. What I had trouble with however, was Peyton's reasoning to overlook the Dolphins entirely.
    Why didn't he consider even allowing Philbin the opportunity to present a plan, or to address those potential concerns? It struck me as oddly out of character, to ignore our interests altogether, and require us to follow him to Indy. Whatever it was, had already eliminated us from any hope of consideration, both sight unseen, and sales pitch unheard.

    As for why he would play in Denver in lieu of the same reason its Elway's town? Aside from the fact it was Elway himself who was inviting him there, presenting the pitch, and rolling out the red carpet. Considering his perspective, as a positional iconic peer, both cities were pivotal in this respect, but Elway, solidly entrenched with two rings, and now building further upon that achievement, to win a SB WITH Manning supports his choice.
     
  17. jw3102

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    I know you think I hate Ireland but I certainly don't hate him on a personal level. I am just not convince he has what it takes to turn this organization into a winner.

    That being stated, I would love nothing more than for Ireland to prove me 100% wrong about his abilities as a GM. What I want more than anything is for the Dolphins to once again be one of the top football teams in the NFL. I wouldn't care if the Devil was the GM, if that meant that the Dolphins were once again contending for Super Bowls. I also understand that for better or worse, Ireland is still the teams GM and he is the individual responsible for selecting all the players in this years draft and signing all the players in free agency. Since I don't have confidence in his ability to select top tier talent, it concerns me that with him as the teams GM, the Dolphins will continue to remain just another mediocre team in the NFL.

    As I said though, I issue Ireland a challenge of proving me wrong. If he does, I will gladly come on here and admit that I was completely wrong about him. As of right now though, I just don't have the faith in Ireland some people on here do.
     
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  18. djphinfan

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    I don't feel like anyone with half a brain is doing what your saying in terms of crediting draft picks..WHat is more plausible is taking into account certain variables when both arrived..

    What I find perplexing is folks who think a former scout was making decisions over a hired president of football operations taking over a 1 and 15 team...

    Jake long, Justin smiley on the first day of free agency in the first year, jake grove, earnest wilford, if your the owner and you just hired the future hall of famed, paid him millions to do so to rescue your franchise from hell, and you find out that he is defferring to his new first time Gm who's droppin 10's of millions of dollars on free agents, ummmmm, you wanna talk scandal, shoot..

    I'am just not sure we have enough proof to villify, but I will say that this year is his make or break year, and I have no problem with that..

    I believe the #1 job of the Gm is to make decisions on talent, there is some evidence that he has a very good eye with great work ethic and is very meticulous, who's not in it for any other reason but the love of it, even though he's a Real doucher..

    I just wanna give him this draft and see what he does..

    Ps, I didn't see what Todd just posted, but yeah, that...we're talking about tens of millions of dollars, not monopoly money
     
  19. ToddsPhins

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    you base this on how many drafts with him running the show?
     
  20. ToddsPhins

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    that's rich coming from the guy refusing to have a rational conversation to begin with hence the nature of my and others' posts.

    So what you're saying is you now have nothing to say? That seems convenient.
     
  21. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Hey's guys, before it's get ugly in this mother grabber, just wanted to let you know that i'am now part of the cool 1000 rep club, and man is it cool..

    If you would like to roast me go ahead...
     
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  22. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I certainly understand where you are coming from. While we may not agree on Ireland, I do agree that he has to be given one more opportunity to show what he can accomplish as the teams GM, since Ross decided to retain him as the teams GM for this season. I don't have a lot of faith in Ireland's ability as an NFL GM and I'm sure your aware of that.

    As a Dolphin fan, I would love to see him prove me wrong, as I stated earlier. For now I have decided that I will just lay off condemning him anymore until I see how he does in the draft in a few weeks. I guess I have just let my anger at the entire organization affect my comments on this forum and since I see Ireland as the one constant in the organization over the last four years, he certainly appears to be the easiest target.

    If you see me knocking Ireland again in the next few weeks, I have no problem with you calling me on it. Of course I won't promise that if I am not happy with the Dolphins draft , I won't go back on the Ireland attack once again. I hope for the best but the last decade following the Dolphins has prepared me for the worse.

    So for now I will just avoid negative comments regarding Ireland, Ross, Philbin or anyone else associated with the Dolphins and wait to see how their plan for the future of the Dolphins develop over the next few weeks and through the draft. Hopefully I never feel like I have to make another negative comment about Ireland or anyone else in the Dolphins organization.
     
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  23. Fin D

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    This is all completely fair. I have no issue with any of this.

    To be fair, though, its a shade different than what you've been saying in the past. In the past, you've been much more sure and definitive in your assessment of Ireland. Which is all I've taken issue with.

    Willing to be open minded but skeptical, is perfectly rational. Thank you for finally expressing your thoughts that way.
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    imo JW, most of this debate is about protecting the image of the club, and trying to discern a reasonable pattern of time given to each individual who works, or plays for the team before harsh criticism is insued and logical, and while doing so, creating a good environment for them to be most successful...I want the players to want to play for their fans, cause I feel strongly that if they don't have that, if they can't tangibly feel that, you will not get their best in the longrun.

    So in Irelands case, I think he is caught in the middle of a storm that that POS Parcells left him in, and I don't have enough proof that he made decisions while that POS was here, not enough to just want him fired, all I really got is last year..

    So for me personally, because I know he has brought some special players to the table as a scout, I wanna see what this dudes eye is all about, cause Like I said, thats whats most important in his role..

    Its not a right or wrong situation for me, I'am not saying he's got that eye, I am saying I don't have enough proof that he doesn't.
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yup..I think what happens with all of us is, when we have an instinct about something or someone, and not a lot of facts to back it up, we want people to just trust us when we say it..Ive done it personally where I feel really sure that my instinct is right and all I do is piss some people off about it..Hopefully as we all get old together here, and the record shows what those instincts told us all, respect will be earned..
     
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  26. padre31

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    Pat Turner...'nuff said!

    :lol:

    Seriously though, since 09, Ireland has not messed around with Qb or wr w/a high pick.

    Knowing him, what I expect is maybe one of the #3 picks, and then a late rd pick, then a slew of UDFA's that go about 6'1ish, 190ish, for what Philbin wants IDK if Pruitt and Wallace are good fits, they were more the large Wr template rather than the GB template.
     
  27. Fin D

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    Again, I don't honestly care how someone FEELS about Ireland. I just don't understand wanting to argue about feelings against people just asking for more info before they make a judgement. Especially to the point where they have to go to every thread and post the same vile crap over and over and over.
     
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  28. ToddsPhins

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    And you know he was Ireland's choice over the czar in charge how? just asking.
    Again, could that perhaps be b/c Parcells ran the draft, especially the high pick portion, and considering his choice of Henning as OC? Choosing Henning as OC doesn't seem to equate to someone wanting to use high picks on WR since Henning underutilized them and we had QBs who were chewed out for throwing jump balls to one of the games most talented?

    And why do you assume it was Ireland's choice when it was Parcells' show and Miami has more than 1 scout?

    After just one year of Ireland drafting, I personally can't say how I think he does or doesn't priority WR in the draft.
     
  29. I have plenty to say, just not to a person so full of themselves. The nature of your posts is obvious, your self-centered and conceited, no big mystery that you need to explain. LOL I just noticed your post count, You must really think your oppinions are worth repeating.
     
  30. Bulldog

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    I agree with your sarcasm. People with borderline personality disorder, are often anxious, depressed, self‐harm, in crisis and are difficult to engage in treatment. If BM has this it's most likely the reason for his behavior.
     
  31. Bulldog

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    Like your p's?

    Just messing with you! I couldn't resist.
     
  32. Bulldog

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    FinD, how are you feeling? Lol

    Great post.
     
  33. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    Well that's not very nice to say about someone. :wink2:
     
  34. ChrisKo

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    Welcome to 5 months ago!
     
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