Do we honestly feel that there is a definite Franchise Quarterback left in the draft, especially picking in the 8th spot? I know there are some who like Tannehill and some who like Weeden but are either one worth the 8th pick? I noticed Ireland commented that they were comfortable with the quarterbacks on our roster, I wonder if that was an indication that they don't consider any of the next tier of Quarterbacks worthy of the 8th pick. They could still take either of those two in the second round if they fall that far but I just don't know if either will. I am just kind of Leary of them throwing away another 2nd round pick on another 2nd round quarterback after Henne and Pat White but maybe the 3rd times the charm if Weeden or Tannehill fall that far.
Really? You're REALLY going to say that? Gee, I guess if New Orleans would have had a better quarterback, they would have been in the Super Bowl Gee, I guess if Green Bay would have had a better quarterback, they would have been in the Super Bowl I guess if New England had a better quarterback, they would have WON the Super Bowl, seeing how they lost to an average medicore Eli Manning One day, some of you guys are going to learn that football is the ULTIMATE team sport and that one man isn't the entire team. Now some of you are going to jump right into Peyton Manning and the Colts dissmal season. You go right ahead. The obvious counter to any of your arguments isn't that the Colts lost because they didn't have Manning. They lost because they never groomed a back up!!! They didn't lose because they didn't have Manning. They lost because they didn't have a quarterback at all!!!
Yes I am saying that. Smith was decent, but nothing special. Only 1 team can win per year, the fact that the Niners didn't have a better QB on what otherwise was a good team bit them in the *** and prevented them from winning. The QB puts you over the top. You really think a decent backup was going to save the Colt's season? Let alone one that could come close to matching Manning's productivity?
Just of the top of my head, mind you, it would seem to me that the defensive side of the ball has a lot to say with the final score. I don't recall quarterbacks playing on defense.
I didn't give two ****s about Flynn. "Sign him or don't" I believe was my quote. But, if you sign Matt Flynn, and say your happy with the QB position? Fine. You got your guy. But don't tell me that after signing a backup QB who didn't play last year. It's insulting the intelligence of your fans.
When did they say they got their QB? They've consistently said "we'll continue to look to upgrade the QB position". They think Moore is decent. They think Garrard can compete with Moore. They still would like to get better options. I'm not sure how much more clear they can make it.
Like I said, this comes to Flynn. You think they felt Flynn was a franchise player and they dropped the ball. If their plan all along was to get a vet to be a back up to compete with Moore, while drafting a QB, then would they be upset so far? You are not making any sense.
Hardcore, I want you to take pause for a moment and really truly consider the question I'm about to pose before you answer it. Don't you really truly think, with all your heart and soul, if Joe Philbin REALLY wanted Matt Flynn, we'd have him? Joe Philbin coached this kid for cryiing outloud. If ANYONE knows Matt Flynn, it's not you, me, FinD, Yoda, Google...it's Joe Philbin!!!! Consider. You're Stephen Ross. You just hired Joe Philbin as your head coach. You LIKE his product, having produced one of the more prolific offenses in recent history. You WANT what he did in Green Bay offensively. If the man you just hired says, "Mr Ross, we've GOT to get Matt Flynn. I NEED him", what IDIOT is going to tell your new head coach no? Hell, if there's a quarterback out there that KNOWS Philbin's system inside and out, it's Flynn. But as I stated in another thread...there's a REASON Aaron Rodgers was the starter in Green Bay...and a REASON Matt Flynn was the back-up. Bottomline, Philbin didn't want Flynn, not THAT badly and in today's day and age of instant information, if Philbin was disgruntled and concerned over the signing of David Garrard, we would have already heard about it.
No, my beef isn't about Flynn. It's that they continue to court guys who they obviously don't consider franchise QB's. If they didn't think Flynn was worth what he got paid by Seattle, he wasn't worth bringing in in the first place. I want them to make a real investment in the position. I don't want a Jay Fiedler or Gus Frerrotte or Matt Moore or David Garrard or <Insert Failed 2nd Round QB>. What the Dolphins have done at the QB position since Marino retired is the BLUE PRINT for mediocrity.
Is Matt Moore a Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, John Elway or Peyton Manning? No, I don't think so either, but I do think Philbin is comfortable with these two competing for the starting job and seeing the work he's done with Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn, he can mold these two to play HIS game of football. Besides, other than Peyton Manning, what other quarterback was out there this off season you would sell the farm for? Maybe we draft one, maybe we run with these two and see how that ends and if the QB is still an issue at the end of the 2012 season, there's always free agency and next year's draft. I keep saying...BE PATIENT!!!!
Why? You need to carry 3 QBs on the roster. Maybe they coveted Flynn for nothing other than he knew the offense, so it would make TC smoother. You're making an assumption and a large one at that. Again, what about their plan being a vet to compete with Moore while grooming a draft pick is so terrible? Don't forget, Garrard isn't necessarily a scrub. He is a Pro Bowl qb. He might blow, we don't know yet.
Having lived in South Florida since 1961, I can assure you that the fans today aren't any different than the fans have always been in South Florida. The Miami Hurricane football program was almost ended in the 1970's because of lack of fan support.It was only when the Hurricanes started winning national championships that fans actually started showing up at home games. In recent years because they have slipped again as a football program, attendance has gone down again, even though it is not as bad as it was in the 1970's. All the sports team in the South Florida market suffer when they have losing teams. The Heat are up in attendance now over a few years ago because they are winning. When they were losing, there were empty seats throughout the arena. The Marlins have suffered from low attendance for most of the time they have been in South Florida. Even during the seasons they won the World Series, fans didn't really start showing up in abundance until late in the season and during the playoffs. Since the Dolphins have been the dominant sports franchise since they arrived on the scene in 1966 and they were a highly successful team for most of the Shula era, the Dolphins were always able to draw good crowds for over 30 years. Today the Dolphins are merely one of four major sports teams in South Florida competing for the limited financial resources of those who attend sporting events. The fans of South Florida will support a winning organization, but they will not support an organization who plays at a very mediocre level for a number of years, as the Dolphins have done over the last decade. This is the history of the sports fans of South Florida and owners who come here expecting anything different are just ignoring the reality of what has been going on with the fans in South Florida for generations. If you want fans in the stands, you must WIN. It is as simple as that and whether you like it or not ,that is the reality of the vast majority of sport fans in this area. You can blame the fans all you want but the owners of all these teams knew what they were getting into when they purchased their teams. If they want fans to show up, they need to put a winning product on the field. The Heat understand this, now it is time for Ross to do what is necessary to put a winner on the field or attendance will just continue to decline.
Great post. I've said for years, if you want to root for a fanbase that doesn't give a **** about what happens on the field, and continues to sell out games despite putting a ****ty product on the field, go be a Cubs fan. They don't call Wrigley Field "The world's largest outdoor Bar" for nothing. If you continue showing up to games while the team is losing, you're in essence saying "I support losing". Even if that's not your intention. Now, 2008 was a different story. We were rebuilding that year, and I'm all for giving a new regime a chance (I went to 6 games that year, and even went to one in New England), but according to our owner, GM and Coach, we're not rebuilding, so they get no such courtesy from me.
Because it has been done by much much worse Quarterbacks? Because the first year he started with Carolina he played so well fans actually thought he might be their franchise QB? Maybe because the only reason he fell into our lap is a second season starting filled with injuries and possibly one of the absolute worst supporting casts (player and coaching staff) in recent years? I'm actually excited to see what Moore is capable of in a well run offense. Something he has never enjoyed.
What about them? They're a publicly owned team. Plus, you ever been to Green Bay? The post by JL, which I quoted, made a great point about other franchises in this area competing for the fans dollar. Not every city has that. Hell, South Florida actually has a Hockey team about to make the playoffs.
How about Denver? They have a hockey team and a basketball team. They have had years where they have been crap. Still sell out. Ownership still tries to win.
There's a great book that breaks down personality types, and the habitual complainer is one of them. It mentions how this personality type drains energy from most other personality types, can serve as a cancer to them, and that they're subject to having more health issues. I've seen enough examples to readily agree with this. What's worse is they always want to be heard and are upset when others refuse to listen causing further complaining to ensue. Put a habitual complainer on a team and he can damage the morale & spirit of it. Have one in your work place, and you can begin loathing the daily drive to work.
So basically you're saying good fans pay for and sit through garbage? Denver has been mildly succesfull over the last decade. Not sure I'd count them anyhow. How about the Rams? Lions fans staged a walkout a few years ago. Now they're over the hump.
Yes, yes I am. Good fans show up during bad and good times. Fair-weather fans show up when the weather is good.
You are somehow equating the fans walking away to the team getting better when in reality the two are not connected at all. If you don't want to go see what you consider to be a bad product that is fine but don't pretend you are doing some greater good.
Have you ever been to Green Bay, Wisconsin in the winter time? Other than ice fishing, there isn't a lot of things going on in the sporting world in the area. The fans of Green Bay have ONE professional sports team to support and that is it. Also the fans of the Packers were born in the area and grew up following only one team. Unlike the South Florida area which is a melting pot of people from all over the United States as well as many foreign countries who follow teams from the areas they relocated from. In Green Bay, the Packers are like a religion. In South Florida there isn't the fan base who grew up going to games with fathers who attended games with their fathers, who attended games with their fathers. Comparing the fan base in South Florida to the fans in Green Bay makes no sense at all. The fan base in South Florida is so different then the fan base in Green bay, it isn't even relevant to compare them. It should also be noted that the Packers have a waiting list for season tickets with thousands of fans on the waiting list. In South Florida, a fan can get a ticket to any game the Dolphins play on any given week by merely going to the stadium and buying a ticket outside the gate for below face value.
We have a difference of opinion then. Do you plan on going to the games this year? And LOL at Fair Weather Fan.
No, what I'm saying is that the Owner needs a message. Staging a protest, flying a banner, empty seats. That's a message. You show Ownership you're not paying to see mediocrity. If you're fine paying money to see Matt Moore play QB, good for you.
I'm confused. You imply Ross needs to know his team is mediocre, yet, in 3 years as full owner he's gone after 3 HCs and one Peyton Manning all while trying to improve the fan experience at the game. I think he knows and has been trying. There's not a school that you can get a degree in running the Dolphins you know.
I can't, I live in Seattle. My watching of the Dolphins does not change whether or not they are losing. If I was the type who went to every game, I would still go even when they lose.
Dropping money on or not dropping money on the team doesn't make you a good or bad fan nor does it send a message. I don't know if you've been watching the last five years (minimum) but our stadium is always pretty empty or filled with opposing fans.
He's kept Jeff Ireland. That, to me, means he still doesn't get it. It's too late now though. We're stuck with him for now.
My point is that there is no message to be sent or it would have been already. I have no issues with anyone who doesn't want to spend money on the NFL regardless of how dedicated a fan they are. Money is tight and futures aren't very secure these days. My point is just as I said in the first line, these is no message to be sent.
We've come full circle. Its one thing to hate Ireland and think he did everything wrong based on feelings. Its another thing to say Ross is an idiot because he doesn't view Ireland the same way you do because of your feelings. This is different than when Wanny was here. We knew for a fact Wanny had final say on everything to do with the players. We do not know that with Ireland. You feel it, but you don't know it. That's why this is so crazy.
Immigrants? I kid, I kid. It doesn't help that south Fla is a melting pot with a substantial portion of its population being either transitional, migrational, or vacational. [When I lived in South Fla] Whenever someone asked me where I'm from and I answered, "I was born in Ft Lauderdale", I always received the same type of reply "Wow, you're the first person I've met here who was actually born here!", or, "I thought all the people born here eventually move somewhere else.". Being in a South Fla bar during football sundays reminds me of being in one in North Carolina---> there's a diversity of team loyalty b/c the fans were initially a fan of a previous team (since the Panthers were and expansion team and many South Fla residents previously resided somewhere else and have chosen to remain loyal to their initial team).
Irish has worn the badge GM for 5 years. You cut him a lot of slack Francis. And all we can do is think and get emotional right ? Because you don't know how to process a fact that is sitting on your face. Sent from my iPhone
4 years. I like how you carefully worded it as "worn the badge GM". I'm guessing that's b/c you know you'd be wrong to say "ran the organization for 4 years" b/c there's an obvious distinction between the 2; therefore you and others might be intentionally using Ireland's GM title as a loophole to support a slanted or biased argument.
