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Do we really want Tannehill?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Cubenels41, Mar 28, 2012.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    For everyone for and against: What percentage would you put on Tanny becoming a franchise QB?
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I would give him 50/50 with my youtube highlight watching opinion.
     
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  3. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    First you'd have to get everyone to agree on what that term means.

    I'd say like 35%. And I can't see him getting to that level without sitting for a year or two and then another year or two of growing pains.

    I'd be happy if we don't draft a QB in the first 2 rounds this year. Of course that's assuming we don't go OL/OL
     
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  4. ToddsPhins

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    Maybe some of the skeptics just need a dose of good ole fashion highlight film. If this doesn't make you even a little excited about his potential then I don't know what to tell you. lol.


    [video=youtube;ClxFYIThbAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClxFYIThbAE[/video]
     
  5. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    For me..... 75%. High enough to use our first on him.

    IMO if we take Tannehill, we also have to take Swope in the 2nd round next year. You can't watch Tannehill and not fall in love with Swope. Those 2 have some nice chemistry together.
     
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  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I asked the question because I've seen everyone that loves Tanny explain, in depth why they do. The people that don't love him just say, he's raw.
     
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  7. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I was impressed with numbers 25 and 8. #25 has a lot of yards after catch wiggle in his game.
     
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  8. ToddsPhins

    ToddsPhins Banned

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    .... which I don't understand b/c everyone is raw at some point. That was said about Connor Barwin. But I argued his rawness was a good thing in his case (regarding projecting his NFL potential) b/c his rawness provided a glimpse on how good his natural feel for the game is and showed us just how fast he could learn it and pick it up, and since virtually everyone is faced with a learning curve in the NFL (a daunting one at that for some players), I knew that Barwin could do so and do it more quickly than most would've anticipated.

    I see it similarly with Tannehill. So what if he's raw. He learns fast and develops quickly. I'd rather have a raw, highly gifted QB who learns & develops fast than a slower learning & developing college QB who IS already fully sound b/c he's played the position for 8 years with great coaching. I say this b/c the sound college QB will still have to learn & adjust quite a bit in the NFL. Therefore it's mathematically possible that not only could the raw, quick-learning, quick-developing QB catch up to the sound college QB during their first 2-3 years of NFL development, but he could surpass him.

    To me, the perfect Tannehill, Barwin, RG3, or Jimmy Graham analogy is the whole, "If Train X leaves Miami at 3PM going 50 mph, and train Y leaves at 6 PM going 80 MPH, which non-hijacked, non-stopping train will arrive at Chicago the quickest?". Obviously Train X will be further along initially, but who cares when that's not to your desired destination (especially b/c being further along as rookie still doesn't = All Pro level of play). If Tannehill's 80 MPH development allows him to catch and surpass everyone else by year 3, then that's what I care about. I care about year 3 and beyond.
     
  9. Jaj

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    You are talking about a guy who was decent to good on the college level. Forget the interceptions, I never really saw "special" out of Tannehill even though I liked what he brought to the table. On the other hand I don't care what position he plays, Richardson could be a HOF.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If his ability to throw out of the pocket is not considered "special' then I have no idea what can be considered "special."

    I do agree about Richardson. I remember watching him play with the Heisman Tropy winner. I always thought he looked like twice the player as Ingram.
     
  11. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    His runs are impressive as well.
     
  12. Jaj

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    They were considering taking Ponder at 16, I don't think taking Tannehill at 8 is a stretch of the imagination. I do like that at least he'll be in the same system he was playing in college, that's a big big help.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If they were really considering taking Locker at 18, Tannehill at 8 is a huge upgrade. He looks like a MUCH better quarterback than Locker
     
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  14. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think he was addressing the post to Jeffery Lebowski.
     
  15. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Tannehill is not starting NFL QB material for this season
    however, we already have two capable starters for 2012
    Ryan will need a year behind some solid coaching before he's ready to start
    having said that
    Tannehill will develop into the Franchise QB

    I believe the Browns will pick the best non-QB @ 4
    they don't need a project @ QB or controversies with Colt
    Trent Richardson is the best RB since Adrian Peterson
    look for a top WR, Rb or TE @ 4, not a QB

    Tannehill should be there @ 8 & that should be our pick
     
  16. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Swope in the 2nd Round? He'll be there in the 4th Round. I'll take Fleener in the 2nd.
     
  17. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    agree with the both of you
    TE Fleener & WR Slope
    however they fall ...
     
  18. ToddsPhins

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    #25 is Ryan Swope. IMO he's a 2nd to 3rd rounder next year. He's like a bigger Wes Welker with a little Hakeem Nicks added in.

    #8 is Jeff Fuller. Borderline 1st/2nd round talent & potential IMO if he could stay focused 100% of the time on every snap and every throw. IMO he just has too many mental lapses where it seems his game awareness is lacking too much to draft him as the big, physical, reliable possession receiver that you would want to use him as.

    Or maybe he's one of these guys who becomes bored with the college game b/c it comes easier to him and needs the constant stimulation of a greater challenge. Who knows, maybe he regrets not declaring for the draft after last season and it left him sort of going through the motions and less motivated. IMO this is possible b/c, during critical times or situations in the game where he feels it's time for him to compete, he seems to step up. For instance, a simple 1st down out route might not be perceived in the same competitive nature as a 3rd down conversion or a pass in the redzone when trailing the game. Fuller might not be thinking of anything before the simple out route. However, before the 3rd down conversion attempt he might be competitively thinking, "Ok, it's me vs this guy; I'm not losing this battle; if I don't convert it, then he beats me and I failed." I see that same mentality when he gets the ball in his hands. It's like the switch goes on that says "You are not going to get the best of me!" to where he seems to take those individual battles personally. It seems like he has a desire to be the best and doesn't enjoy knowing he's not the best, but he might have a skewed baseline for determining what "the best" actually is. Maybe his idea of "being the best" is situational, meaning maybe there are only certain game situations where he judges himself on whether he's the best or not. Perhaps an NFL coach needs to get inside his head and make him believe that every play is an individual battle and that every throw his way represents a competition within himself to catch it, keep his feet in bounds, or whatever. :dunno:



    It's all possible b/c he started off hot as a freshman with 50 catches, 9 TDs, and 630 yards.... then cooled off and even underperformed as a sophomore as he possibly became overconfident in his ability..... then realized what he did as a sophomore wasn't good enough to be at the dominant level he desires to accept himself, hence turning it up his junior year with 72 catches, 1066 yards, 12 TDs. I'm thinking he felt an extra year in school would automatically boost his draft stock despite possibly preferring to have left for the NFL, which possibly left him mentally not all in it.
     
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  19. ToddsPhins

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    next year. 2013.
     
  20. ToddsPhins

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    If he can stay healthy. Personally, I would almost never take a back in the top 10 of today's NFL for the simple fact that, as defenders continue growing bigger, faster, and stronger, a running backs' internal structure (bones, joints, ligaments, etc) pretty much stay unchanged. If he's not an elite dual threat, then I personally wouldn't take one unless a near SB caliber offense was already in place and he represents the missing piece.... or there simply isn't anyone else to take and he's by far the BPA. But that's just me.
     
  21. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    He's still not a 2nd Rounder. I like him. He's Welker-esque, but he's still not going before Round 3 or 4 unless someone really takes a liking to him.
     
  22. JMHPhin

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    within 3 years you will see why
     
  23. ToddsPhins

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    Why, does he seem like the unlikable football type? He seems like the proverbial "coaches dream" type of player to me which might lead a team to take him in the late 2nd/early 3rd. He's also bigger than Welker. So there's that. :tongue2:
     
  24. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Not disagreeing with you, but awful QBs can be made to look good with cleverly edited highlight clips. Remember when folks around here did that with John Beck? To be objective you need to show footage of every pass in a game including incompletions, INTs, sacks, etc.

    I'm more interested in hearing what some of the draft gurus on this board have to say about him than the highlight clips. I'll say from what I've read I certainly wouldn't be upset if he was the pick at 8. But with Ireland making the pick, my hopes aren't getting up.
     
  25. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    He's tiny and doesn't have blazing speed or unusual strength. He's not unlikable at all. He's just a dime-a-dozen. Leonard Hankerson went in the 4th round last year, for reference, and Hankerson is much better than Swope.
     
  26. ToddsPhins

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    There are more than just highlight clips out there, and members (including myself) have posted those tapes numerous times for a while now. It's not our fault that you apparently chose to ignore them; therefore don't jump in and assume we're starting the process with "highlight clips". You're simply behind. :wink2:

    And how about when you've already been objective and have already watched the footage of every pass in many games? Is it ok then to enjoy watching his highlight clip, especially since he's a work in progress, and since we're viewing him for what we "project" him to be (which is hopefully more consistent with his highlight tape) rather than what he "currently is" ( which is what you see from the greener version of himself watching every snap of past games)?

    If the average fan lacks the experience or eye to project a QB (especially a raw one), might it be helpful for him to see what the QB is capable of when things look good (highlight clip) in order to get a better perspective of what to expect should he develop the way people are hoping and anticipating? it just seems like you assume everyone knows what to look for when watching a full game's worth of snaps. IMO those who don't know and are understandably confused b/c of it (and possibly pessimistic of Tannehill b/c of it) could use a little pick me up in the form of a highlight tape. For instance, are you going to hand a small, rough, uncut stone to a novice and say "!!Man, can you see how great that diamond underneath looks?!!" and expect him to understand it?.... or would it be more comprehending to show him the stone and then hand him an actual diamond and say, "How do you feel about turning this into this?!"

    So what you're saying is you don't trust your ability to assess his potential since you know his current game tape isn't indicative of who he'll necessarily become in the NFL? That's understandable.
     
  27. ToddsPhins

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    Swope's not a dime a dozen, nor is he tiny. He's listed at 6'0 206, so he's probably 5'11 and change, 200.
    Wait, are you the type who only judges a WR by his size, measurables, and the 20+ yard catches he makes?

    I never look solely at stats, but sometimes it's fun to play "Which stat belongs to which receiver?":
    Receiver A: ................................................ 89 catches, 1207 yards, 11 TDs........ and 72 catches, 825 yards, 4 TDs.
    Receiver B: 72 catches, 1156 yards, 13 TDs...... 45 catches, 801 yards, 6 TDs........... and 11 catches, 140 yards, 2 TDs.

    If you're already familiar with Hankerson, then I'm guessing you know he's receiver B. The dots are there to properly align the seasons (junior with junior, sophomore with sophomore) since it's not accurate to compare Hankerson's senior season with Swope's junior. So basically, a junior Swope was more reliable and consistent than a senior Hankerson, only with 2 less TDs.




    Regarding Swope,
    1. He's heady, crafty, savvy, and fast enough to gain separation in the NFL.
    2. Hands are solid enough when combined with the above to be extremely reliable, especially on crucial 3rd downs.
    3. And [when combined with 1 & 2 above] he's got enough wiggle, balance, and physicalness combined with outstanding instincts & awareness to extend plays after the catch and pick up that extra yard.... and to also know where to be when plays break down so that he can extend them for his QB.
    4. possesses a decent nose for the goal line and extra yard. Isn't blown over by the wind immediately after reception.
    5. His football smarts, instincts, awareness, and savviness should readily allow him to learn multiple WR positions in order to move him around to create mismatches.
    6. Appears to be a great teammate & clutch player.
    7. He'd be invaluable in an NFL West Coast style offense IMO b/c the above listed skill set, ability, and intangibles would help maximize offensive rhythm.
    8. He's not droolingly spectacular, but IMO he's the kind of WR who simply makes your QB & offense better and more consistent.
    9. If you asked me, "If having a WR corps of all Swopes would mean not ever having a dominant #1, would you take it?", I'd say yes at this point.
     
  28. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

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    let's not forget, Tannehill came to A&M AS A QB! it's not like he came to A&M as a WR and then Sherman made him a QB. And it shows what kind of athlete he is. I like him. I also like Weeden. Fine with either of them.
     
  29. finsincebirth

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    I have to agree. The highlights I have watched show a great ability to square his shoulders before he throws when he is on the run.
     
  30. dsteve

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    throws on the run pretty damn well...has some zip on his throws. seems like he'd need coaching/game time reps to make all that more consistent. take him at 8 or trade up as long as you don't give up all that much.
     
  31. rafael

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    I have been making the Rodgers comparison as well. I think it's very possible that the Dolphins have reached a similar conclusion.
     
  32. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    Do we really want Tannehill? :yes:
    Tannehill @ 8:thanx:
     
  33. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    I believe Tannehill will be there @ 8 & we will draft him
     
  34. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    I believe Tannehill will be there @ 8 & we will draft him:deadhorse: the Browns have too many needs on offense & won't want create a QB controversy with Colt or waste a very high draft pick on a QB who will need time to develop
     
  35. alen1

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    People are going to be pissed when they select another trenches player. :lol:
     
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    I'll never forget the buildup to Quinn... I was sitting at a bar with tons of Phins fans jumping for joy, waiting for the commish to say, "With the 9th pick in the 2007 draft, the Dolphins select Brady Quinn".. Of course, as the clock ticked down to zero I knew it was a pipe dream...

    I'm not investing the same emotion this year, I'll see it on my phone before I spend several hours anticipating something I have no line of sight to..
     
  37. alen1

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    Prepare for Riley Reiff, people. Pre. Pare.
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    Indeed. Welcome to Miami, David DeCastro and B.J. Coleman.
     
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  39. alen1

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    I can absolutely see that happening. Or Reiff. Both fit.
     
  40. Mr772

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    I like Tannehill and think he can be a franchize QB (at least he has all the tools). Trent Rrichardson will be the reason Tannehill makes it past cleveland @4. I could see somone trading down and picking up RT17 at #6 or #7 if a team wants to go all in on him.

    I want RT17 @ 8 but honestly I feel like the fins want everyone to think they want him @ 8 too, so that makes me think we are going in another direction. I hope I'm wrong but that's what's in the back of my mind.

    I don't see the consistancy from Coples, his motor has a blown valve or something. I see him as a possible big slider on draft day.

    Not really excited about any of the other prospects in the draft @8 either. DeCastro looks real good but the value isn't there, same thing with Reiff, your not getting good value at that spot on a RT or a Guard IMO. We already have so much OL tied up in recent first rounders and you don't win championships by drafting O line every year in the first round.
     

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