With the draft being so deep in the WR dept and the increasing need for TE, QB and pass rush (all of which we need) I cant see any reason to trade up. If it were magatron maybe but Blackmon just not nearly as intimidating. Some say he is like Fitz, even him I wouldnt trade a top TE QB combo for.
We'll agree to disagree. Let me repeat myself. Brian Hartline is our #1 WR. There is no bigger need at this point, IMO (excluding probably QB).
If we could trade up just for our 1st and one of our 3rd rounds picks it would be awesome to get Blackmon, if not we should try and trade down, add more picks and get Floyd or BPA imo! But we talk about Jeff "i have no clue what to do" Ireland, so i better don't get my hopes up!
The more and more tape I watch on Floyd, I like him as a slightly shorter and less powerful Ajohnson. He gets up there after that ball as good if not better then anyone in this draft with 4.4 speed to back it up. If we could trade down and still get him and grab another pick I'll be happier then a pig in ****
your talking about about a proven elite player in this league over a potential unproven rookie that we might draft. who say's they're going to be top QB TE combo?
Even if it's for a #1 receiver? Also being a position of need? I personally would this year cause we could get Floyd later but still I wouldn't be upset if we did
All this may very well be true of the kid, but if Barkley and Jones were in this draft, he would not be considered by the Browns at #4 and possibly us at #8. However, this being a QB league and our obvious need for a QB, he will be taken by us at #8 unless the Browns snag him at #4... The fact that he's the next best QB available automatically raises his stock. That wouldn't be the case if Barkley and Jones were in the mix... Barkley would definitely be ranked ahead of him and Jones likely would. Weeden is even being considered a mid to late 1st rounder and there's no way he's worth that, except that in this draft, the way it's shaping up....I totally disagree with your premise that Tannehill would be ahead of Barkley or Jones...
First off he's better then Landry Jones and not by a little bit. Landry Jones right now is a mid to late second round pick with a major bust factor given his tendency to stink under pressure. He's not as good as Barkley or Keith Price for that matter but you can't worry about next year because those kids still have another year of college ball left and in the next year, who knows what could happen mentally or physically to any of this kids. Barkley, I had on the same level as Luck, ahead of RG3 so you need to convince me of that but he really has no bearing on this draft. There's always a guy next year. It happens every year that the next best qb gets bumped up. Interestingly enough though after Tannehills pro day the pundits like Todd McShay moved Tannehill in to the top ten on their board which ranks in overall talent.
No, Blackmon is not worth it. Sit at 8 and take Floyd if you want a receiver, assuming he passes the character analysis.
Is there a ted ginn like surprise pick possibility for this year? Especially if tannehill is sitting there with a brady quinnesque grin while we are on the clock?
In all seriousness Boik I think you're a great poster here, but we couldn't disagree more on Tannenhill. 1) Very true that the next best QB always gets a bump. How many times is that guy EVER successful? 2) How often are guys whos stock rises by more than a full round AFTER their season is over successful? The fact that he has been such a late riser is a red flag not a positive IMO.
Yup... It's very simple, without a QB in today's NFL, your team aint ****. A larry Fitz type player won't get you in the SB or make you a playoff contender. Therefore, if you have a shot at a QB that you believe can be great, you take him over fitz all day.
I don't really like that logic. Just because its a "deep class" doesn't mean you should pass on a premium talent hoping to get someone who's a decent talent later on. Besides, taking WR early may give us later flexibility to take another position while other teams are scrambling to pick their WR later in the draft. I would rather see that than have a run of WR's and us come up with a lesser option while other players are out there. If you are not a believer in Blackmon then your view certainly makes tons of sense, but if you think he is the best WR in this draft and you can get him for a trade up using an extra third rounder? Pull that trigger.
What I meant was I wouldnt trade a QB/TE combo for a top WR DRAFT option. Of course Fitz himself is different.
I haven't seen them all yet, a bit behind on my watching, but I like Floyd in the first if he passes character questions. I like Kendall Wright in the first. Same for Stephen Hill in the second half of the first round. Mohamed Sanu of Rutgers I like in the third round but you probably don't get him there. Brian Quick of App. State I like in the third or fourth round. Devon Wylie I think his value is 4th round and I like him. Greg Childs is in that area for me too depending on his health. Those are some of the guys I've seen and like.
I really like Blackmon. I think he's a play maker that exceeds his measurables. I find him more impressive as a football player than the more physically imposing Floyd. I also would be worried about the DUIs that Floyd had. They may indicate an addictive personality and that's a bad mix with the increased income and freedom Floyd is about to have. That wouldn't take him off my board or anything, but it is a risk that lowers his value for me. That being said, I don't trade up for Blackmon or Floyd or even take one of them at #8 if Tannehill or Weedon are available. I believe that both QBs are worth the pick and are greater needs at more important positions. And WR is not a big need for us. Philbin has come out and said he doesn't want a #1 WR for his system. What he wants is multiple guys like Hartline. This is a deep WR draft and there will be multiple WRs that fit what Philbin wants available in the 3rd and 4th rounds.
U well off the top of my head Alex many people regarding roethlisberger or rivers as the "extra" qb in that draft. I'd say both have done fine. More recently though Flacco a few years ago and Andy Dalton last year were regarding as guys who may have received a slight bump because they were qb's and did fine. The thing with being a late riser is normally due to combines and pro days. Stuff of that nature anyway. With Tannehill you have to consider that he has 19 college starts at qb after being converted from qb in HS to WR his first few years at Texas a&m. So you ask why he was a late riser an it's because his play improved that much last year. You're talking about a guy with a 62% completion % and had 10% of his passes dropped. Ask yourself how good he really is doing that in a pro style offense. I like some of the other qb's as well but he is very well prepared to play now and probably do just fine
Tannehill has the makeup of a franchize QB IMO, he has the mesurables. Don't discount the fit of Tannehill in a WCO either he has great feet which is a high value trait in a WC QB. I think Cleveland would take him if it wasn't for Richardson, they may take him anyway who knows? We already have proof that having a super star talent at WR doesn't mean jack if you don't have a QB. Just look at how far Marshall & Fitz got their teams this year. If you look at the WR's in Green Bay you see 2nd and 3rd round WR's on that team, I expect to see the same thing here. The grades that teams have on these players is going to depend a lot on scheme and player fit. I see Tannehill as being the right Fit for what this new coaching staff is trying to build.
