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Jerry Jones, Charley Casserly and Gil Brandt come to defense of Ireland and Ross

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  1. Clipse

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    I'm listening. Point out all the wrong. Oh wait, I see. Ireland is a Carl Peterson disciple, not a Parcells disciple. Superbowl here we come!
     
  2. ToddsPhins

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    Defend Henning? What are you talking about?

    That's all you can come up with about me being "consistently wrong"? One distortion and confusing me with someone else? :lol:

    I'm glad you're not a fact checker b/c you'd get fired pretty quickly..... like on day one..... probably before lunch.
     
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  3. ToddsPhins

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    fixed.
     
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  4. Clipse

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    No, you did. Right up until his last year when you finally hopped off your throne in fantasyland and came back to reality. All those arguments using the Panthers and Jake Delhomme as evidence that Henning is a good OC that can develop a QB. I've been right in every debate we've ever had. Henne. Henning. Sparano. Suck 4 Luck. It gets boring. Maybe one day you'll take off the aqua and orange glasses and we can both be right. Or keep blindly defending them until the end. They'll get it right eventually in another decade or 2.
     
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  5. Fin D

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    Ohhhhhhhh ok.

    You were incessantly *****ing and moaning and you don't even know if what you were saying is true or not.

    Got it.
     
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  6. ToddsPhins

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    :sidelol:

    Now I know you're off your meds.
    Keep falsely patting yourself on the back though. :wink2:


    Just so we're squared away here (clearing the slandered air).
    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?56432-Henning-s-track-record-with-Penny-since-08
    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?56623-Fuel-to-the-fire-for-our-substandard-play-calling-Tenn-CB-knew-our-routes-pre-snap
    http://www.thephins.com/forums/showthread.php?56758-ESPN-disses-Henning-and-our-game-plan!!-My-random-beer-influenced-thoughts

    Lemme tell ya, those threads really scream for my support of Henning, as did the 2 deleted threads that referenced funny fan quotes from other offenses he ruined. The biggest reason I supported Henne was b/c of how much I felt Henning was running the offense & Henne into the ground and believed Chad deserved a fair shot with an OC who would properly use him.

    There's also another thread where I statistically broke down how terrible Henning's offenses have historically been (averaging 20th in offensive scoring per season over his career), how his offenses have NEVER developed a QB, how many times he's been fired after running each offense into the ground. Just so we're even further squared away---- I argued how Henning ran Delhomme into the ground, not developed him. Get your facts straight bro.
     
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  7. IMO the area where Ireland deserves criticism is in what I will call "the art of the deal". He has pulled off a few deals that I did find impressive but far too many of his moves are average. I think he did very well in the Reggie Bush signing as an example of a dynamic move on his part but far too many of his moves have not been on that level. So far under his watch he has spent a lot of money without the best of results. His approach seems very conservative in building a team. He targets an area of need and loads up on picks and or signings on that particular postion in the hopes that 1 of them will stick. He has had very average results with that philosiphy. I think the team was so devoid of talent when he got here that some of his picks look more sucessfull then they really are. He has not been awful like some here seem to think but he has not been exceptional either.

    In all honesty I think his biggest move remains to be seen if it was smart or not and could make or break his reputation for his tenure here, and that is the Philbin hire. Sporano I think is fair to pin on Parcels. However Philbin is a direct reflection of Irelands ability to identify and hire the right HC.
     
  8. Clipse

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    Still doesn't refute my statement about you defending Henning his first 2 years. Those posts were in his final year. Then again I could be wrong. It could very well be adamprez I'm thinking about. Still batting 1000 against you regardless :up:
     
  9. Clipse

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    Now that I think about it, you're right. You weren't defending Henning. It was Henne you were defending by saying Henning ruined him when it was Henne who ruined himself by being a scrub with no talent outside of a strong arm. My apologies good sir.
     
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    Not really. This roster has talent. Very good talent, fact.
     
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    R&R Express, think about this. If you were in charge of Greenbay, you would have fired Ted Thompson after 4 seasons because of their record. If you were in charge of the Saints, you would have fired MIckey Loomis after 4 seasons because of their record.
     
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  12. Clipse

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    To someone wearing Aqua and Orange glasses, I suppose so. But in reality...

    Show me the talent. It's not there. And it's not leading to wins. The offense is as devoid of talent as any offense in the league. The defense is a bunch of overrated, overpaid guys who can't stop a pass from a decent QB or create a turnover. They can stop the run. Great. Too bad it's not 1980 anymore, and great teams are trotting out great QB's and pass catchers.
     
  13. Clipse

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    Ted Thompson had a track record of acquiring many of the pieces of a Seahawks team that made the Superbowl. What has Jeff Ireland ever done? Not ****. Thompson took over a team that was over the salary cap. He then made the brilliant decision to draft Aaron Rodgers to eventually replace Favre. After a disappointing first season due to the salary cap situation in which they had to get rid of a lot of key players, they improved a lot in the 2nd season, and then went 13-3 in year 3. Year 4, W/L record doesn't really matter. Aaron Rodgers was a stud and it was obvious the future was extremely bright. Ted Thompson had marked improvement year 2, The Dolphins get worse as the years go on. 5 years later, still rebuilding. That's the sign of disastrous GM job.

    Mickey Loomis, can't really speak for him as I know nothing of him or the situation he took over. I'm guessing he would of been out of a job though if the Dolphins weren't such an incompetent organization that they traded a 2nd round pick for Daunte Culpepper coming off 3 torn knee ligaments when Drew Brees wanted to sign with Miami.
     
  14. ToddsPhins

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    yeah really!! Ireland didn't do **** in his one lone year as a full-control GM with a lame duck HC and a shortened offseason handcuffing a new offense under a new OC and only a limited amount of draft picks. :001_rolleyes:

    To think that a one year GM doesn't have 20 years worth of accolades attached to hims name is unfathomable. :glare:
     
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  15. Clipse

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    To think that Jeff Ireland is a one year GM when he's actually been the GM here for 5 years. Whoops, I keep forgetting. He sat around collecting paychecks for no reason while Parcells did all the work. Wait, I mean he was responsible for Cameron Wake and Jake Long. Parcells made all the bad decisions. Scratch that, he was responsible only for Wake as Jake Long was one of the many bad decisions. Do I have it figured out now?
     
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    I don't wear glasses...

    There is talent. You're intentionally ignoring it. You don't field a top 10 defenses without having talent. Vontae Davis, Sean Smith, and Richard Marshall are good talent in the secondary. Inconsistent, but they all proved they can play. In the front 7, Dansby, Misi, Burnett, Starks, Wake and Soliai are good talent.

    Offensively, Long and Pouncey on the line. In the backfield, we have Bush and Thomas. Receiving wise, we have Fasano, Hartline, and Bess. There's more room to add there, but we have talent.
     
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    Job description and duties were different.
    His door read "GM" but everyone knows Parcells ran the show. For you to keep ranting on as if it were Ireland's gig makes you look foolish TBH.
    Ireland was a GM in training under Parcells, and the team was run how Parcells wanted it run and using Parcells's vision, not Irelands. Again, for you to think otherwise makes you look foolish.

    No you haven't figured anything out. If you can't even get straight who was responsible for hating and supporting Henning, then I certainly don't expect you to understand who was responsible for failures during Parcells' tenure. :wink2:
     
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    All I heard were excuses. You're not being objective. We had the SAME winning percentage as Greenbay after 4 seasons, and a HIGHER winning percentage than New Orleans, yet, Ireland is incompetent and they are not.

    For Miami, you look at the W/L record and not the roster. For Greenbay, the complete opposite. Maybe instead of insulting us by saying we have glasses on, you could do some damn research.
     
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    Btw, Ireland has a damn positive track record in Dallas. There is a reason he was one of the better up and coming GMs when he left Dallas. They can thank him for Ware.
     
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    Those receivers are trash. THomas was trash last year. Bush, decent. Doubt it lasts though, as he'll be seeing 8 in the box consistently with our laughable passing attack. Misi, trash. The CB's, as you said, inconsistent. Good 3-4 DL. Wake is pretty good, but he;s the only pass rusher worth a damn on the entire team. Misi is garbage. Dansby and Burnett, meh. Overpaid like hell. Dansby provides no game changing plays like he was supposed to.
     
  21. Clipse

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    Next year. He'll be fired. Can't wait to throw it in your face. It's going to be a celebration in my house for sure.
     
  22. Clipse

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    And yet the Cowboys have been mediocre trash for as long as I can remember. I'm betting they can thank Ireland for much of that too. Mediocre is what he does best after all.
     
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    Completely disagree with ALL of that. I've never disagreed with anything more. You're literally degrading all our players just to prove a point.
     
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    Utter trash? Really?
     
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    Remember the thing I told you about how you over exaggerate the hell out of things. Yea, it applies here.
     
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  26. Clipse

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    Again, Ted Thompson has a good track record, Ireland does not. Thompson had as high of an obstacle to climb as Ireland did. He got better every year. He got a franchise QB. We've gotten worse and are trotting out Matt Moore as our QB. Then again, some of these fans, or blind faithers as I prefer to call them since no fan wants this level of mediocre bull**** for their team, actually think Matt Moore is the answer. The 2 go hand in hand and hopefully they ride off into the sunset with Ireland when he's ****canned next season because Ross won't let Ireland draft yet another lineman with our upcoming top 5 pick. Or will he? He is pretty clueless when it comes to football so maybe...
     
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    I love watching people shift their stance when blasting others so they can still feel they are correct.
     
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    Ireland has a positive track record. Again, ignoring facts. He was responsible for drafting Ware, Witten, Gurode, ect. in Dallas.

    Greenbay did NOT get better every season. After they went 13-3, the fell to 6-10 I believe. Again, after 4 seasons, SAME winning percentage as Ireland's Dolphins. According to you, Thompson should have been fired.

    You are not being objective. You can keep accusing others of being "homers", but it won't change anything.
     
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    The aqua and orange glasses I alluded to earlier. I understand. The roster is trash. Sorry, but it's true. Dansby is overpaid and has made very little game changing plays. Fact. Daniel Thomas was awful last year, injury or not. Fact. Hartline is a #4 WR at best on a good team. Fact. Fasano is nothing more than mediocre at best. Fact. The defense gets abused by any decent QB. Fact. The defense creates no turnovers. Fact.
     
  30. Anonymous

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    The only fact is, you love to over exaggerate a lot of things. I'm sorry, but you really do not know much.
     
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    Mediocre trash. Better? One playoff win in 15 years. That's even worse than us which is really saying something.
     
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    I don't see how we could have a top 10 defense, yet have a bad roster. It doesn't add up.
     
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    I meant during Ireland's tenure. The players he's responsible for drafting. They went 13-3 during his final season. Not all the praise goes to him, but he had a hand in it along with Parcells.
     
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    You realize how pathetic that is, right? Celebrating another disastrous year just because you get to prove you are right equates you with Jason cole and his High Five
     
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    I was wrong about him defending Henning. It was Henne he was defending in this case. And since Henne was a complete total loser as a QB, I wasn't just feeling like I was correct, I was correct. Chad Henne. Lol at that guy's QB skills.
     
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    It's incontrovertible. Dolphins are going to suck next year. No amount of cheerleading on the forums will change this. Having a guy who's not only terrible at his job, but stood around collecting paychecks for doing nothing, according to his most naive of supporters, being kicked to the curb, is cause for celebration. It means we may just actually finally get to see this team have some success for the first time in ages in the off chance they bring in a real GM that's living in 2012 where QB's and playmakers are of the utmost importance.
     
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    Wow, exciting life you lead. I feel like I should be wrong more often just to help keep your life less dull and dreary, being the humanitarian that I am. :shifty:
     
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    If I didn't know better I'd think he were a Jets troll with the way he distorts stuff to make Miami purposefully seem worse than we really are, all in the name of coming up with reasons to throw Ireland under the bus.
     
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    By the way, only an arrogant, idiotic fool would want his team to have a losing season just so he could say "I told you so".
     
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    Fact: you don't know the definition of fact b/c you obviously confuse its definition with opinion.

    Fact: you don't know what objectivity means b/c you seem full of yourself and only care about subjectively trying to prove others wrong, even if it means distorting facts and arguments to support your own.
     
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