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Jerry Jones, Charley Casserly and Gil Brandt come to defense of Ireland and Ross

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Onehondo, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. ToddsPhins

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    Anonymous, personally, I think it's funny that we're causing him to root against his own team in an effort to prove himself right while spiting us in the process. :knucks:
     
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  2. ToddsPhins

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    With 4 picks through the first 6 rounds in 2011, we drafted a playmaking version of an Olinman, a developmental dual threat back who was a playmaker in college, a playmaking speed WR, and a playmaking #2 move TE. 4 picks, 4 playmaking type players.

    What's your excuse gonna be when he follows it up with Tannehill at #8 and then a slew of more playmakers afterward, making it 2 years in a row (now that he finally has full control)?
     
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  3. Clipse

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    Mike Nolan did a better job than most would with them. And even then, top 10 defense in your opinion, not mine. I can't call a defense that doesn't force turnovers and can't stop the pass a top 10 defense.
     
  4. Clipse

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    They're going to have a losing season regardless of my opinion. Unlike you, I'll be prepared for it and will look at the bright side. You'll be sitting there actually seriously wondering how we managed to suck since you were sure the Dolphins were going to remarkably pull a great season out of it's *** since you decided to homer it up about the team all offseason instead of being realistic about the non-existence of talent on the roster, most notably at QB and WR.
     
  5. Clipse

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    I hate being right all the time if it makes you feel any better. But what can you do when the Dolphins are so obviously a terribly run franchise year after year after year after year after year after year after year.
     
  6. Anonymous

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    Top 10 in scoring is a top 10 defense.
     
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  7. Clipse

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    With 0 meaningful plays made between them in the 2012 season. Exciting.

    I'll hold my excuses until Tannehill busts.
     
  8. Clipse

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    In your opinion. But for most people, they use more than one statistic to determine what a top 10 defense is, and most would agree a defense that's terrible at forcing turnovers, and extremely mediocre against the pass, while also giving up a fair amount of yards, isn't a top 10 defense regardless of how many points they give up.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    9th in the league in yards, and 8th in QB rating. Keep going, this is fun.
     
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  10. Anonymous

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    The Dolphins secondary ranked in the top 10 last season in Completion Percentage, Yards per Attempt, Touchdowns given up, Interceptions, and QB Rating. We were a top 5 run defending team.

    And we're NOT a top 10 defense? Really?
     
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  11. Clipse

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    15th in yards, and 15th in Qb rating. Fun indeed. Funner than watching this defense look great against **** QB's and then getting torn a new one by decent ones anyways.
     
  12. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    Throw some more chum over the side.... Need to stir up the water more...
     
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  13. Anonymous

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    I left it on AFC rather than NFL.

    Regardless, how is that horrible? You're talking as if we are the worst in the NFL. It's a top 10 defense.
     
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  14. Clipse

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    13th in completion percentage, 16th in interceptions, 15th in QB Rating, 16th in TD's given up (I assume you're talking about passing TD's), don't know about yards per attempt, but I assume it's wrong since the rest of your statistics are wrong. Either that or I misread your post and you're really talking about only the secondary in which I'm not sure I would care since linebackers are crucial to pass defense as well.
     
  15. Clipse

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    I didn;t say it was horrible. I said it was mediocre. Which it is, no? We also got **** on by good QB's while padding stats against the bad ones. It was that way in 2010 as well, where we also failed to create turnovers and fans overrated our defense then. Our defense is solid. But anybody acting like this is a great defense, it's not. Not even sure if it would be in my top 10. It would be close.
     
  16. Anonymous

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    I called it a top 10 defense, but ranking it wasn't really my point. My point was, this roster has talent on it, just look at the defensive side of the ball. It's a top 10 defense. You refuted that point, and now your're saying it's close to a top 10 defense.
     
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  17. Clipse

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    Last year. New year, new scheme. I suspect it will be even worse without Nolan. We'll see. Either way, the defense is average in terms of talent. The offensive is downright laughable from a talent level. Arguably worst in the league. Brian Hartline as a #1 WR is something only seen in nightmares. Put those 2 together, and we have one of the least talented teams in the league.
     
  18. Clipse

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    Either way, we'll find out soon enough where Jeff Ireland and the team stands. Try not to get your hopes up.
     
  19. Anonymous

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    Disagree. The defense is very talented. Offensively, I don't feel it's loaded with talent.

    Why do you act like the off season is over? You do realize the draft has not started yet, right?
     
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  20. Clipse

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    I know who's doing the drafting.
     
  21. Ohio Fanatic

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    If your season is officially over before it started , then why do you take the time to come onto the forums and argue with everyone? Why not just give up and wait until next year like your signature shows us.

    My prediction isn't that bold. Philbin and his scheme give us a boost, we finish 9-7, Tannehill gets drafted, picks up the reins next season, your predictions and signature look completely idiotic.
     
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  22. Clipse

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    9-7. Good one. If your objective was to make me chuckle a bit, it worked.
     
  23. Ohio Fanatic

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    that's because I'm not extremely stupid to be on either end of the spectrum. all I want to see in the short-term is progress.
    We went 6-3 to finish the season, which shows progress. If Philbin turns out to be a good head coach, somethine we haven't had in a long time,
    then that's worth a few games right there. We need to pickup a decent WR in free agency this summer after one gets cut. not hard to imagine.

    I know after 20 years of crap, it's hard to use your imagination, but you should give it a try.
     
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  24. ToddsPhins

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    So you're complaining about not having "prioritized the QB position" recently but you're hoping 1st round Tannehill busts so you can run your mouth some more? This is gettin good. :jt0323:




    Logic. Without it, any argument can be made. :lol:
     
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  25. Anonymous

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    Ok. Awesome comeback, I guess.
     
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  26. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    The Raiders put it all out for Jamarcus Russell.
    They still havn't recovered.
     
  27. Clipse

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    I said that? Awful reading comprehension at it's finest right here folks. Apparently I said I hope Tannehill busts. Great conclusion you came up with.
     
  28. Clipse

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    Progress? More like meaningless games that cost us valuable draft position. Like Saban's first season. Stringing together meaningless games at the end of the season rarely, if ever, has any type of impact on the next season.
     
  29. ToddsPhins

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    You said you'll "hold your excuses until Tannehill busts".
    My comprehension is just fine. It's your ability to properly convey the English language that's lacking.

    Using "until" implies belief that he will bust. You're implying that the time of "becoming a bust" will eventually be realized. So in staying true to the context of your words and previous posts about enjoying the "I told you so" crap, your statement is interpreted as "I hope Tannehill busts so I can continue with my excuse making and rationalization of hatred toward Jeff Ireland".
     
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  30. Ohio Fanatic

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    well, we wouldn't have won those "meaningless" games if we were as devoid of talent as you state.

    and only an idiot would think that players on an NFL team are going to tank games to get better "draft position". fans like you can hope for us to lose games, but it's wasted effort.

    and, btw, Todd's last statement wasn't a "conclusion", it was an observation. you should learn what a conclusion or a fact is.

     
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  31. Fin D

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    You know, for someone to be sooooooooooooooooooo passionate about their position, you sure can't seem to back it up or make a rational intelligent argument.

    I'll prove it. I'll lay out a logical scenario and instead of refuting it with any intelligence, you'll basically make a ridiculous statement and then rant. Watch:

    Many of us feel like we can only say for sure Ireland has had one year before this one with control to make moves for the players that fit is own idea of what a player should be.
    We think that because-
    1. We know that Parcells had a model for players. We believe it makes perfect sense that whether Ireland agreed with that model or not, Parcells was his boss and it was Irelands job to get players that fit his boss' mold.
    2. We saw the draft & FA period last year, when Parcells was not involved and many players acquired were not Parcells-type players like Moore, Clay & Bush, for example.
    3. Even if we're wrong and Ireland, against everything we know about Parcells, was allowed more autonomy, we do know some players brought in were not his fault (White, for example). Since it is impossible to say which previous moves were Parcells or Ireland, the only LOGICAL approach is to see what Ireland does without Parcells for a couple of seasons.

    There you go. I fed the troll. Have fun.
     
  32. Clipse

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    Thinking he'll be a bust and hoping he'll be a bust, 2 completely different things. Not surprising coming from you, I'll admit. I'm not a fan of Tannehill. He and guys like Ponder, Locker, Gabbert last year wouldn't even be first round picks if not for the massive need of a QB in today's NFL. Would much rather go with Weeden, while taking BPA with our first pick. And even then, I'd have no problems with Ireland taking Tannehill if he truly believes he's franchise QB. At least he'll be taking a chance on a franchise QB, instead of doing the safe, mediocre stuff like interior lineman with top 15 picks. If he busts, it will be be remembered as a bad pick, but I'll still applaud him for taking the chance. You're also incorrectly assuming I hope Jeff Ireland fails. Again, not surprising, but not true. I hope the Dolphins win the Superbowl, but I'm more of a realist than a homer. Perhaps more of a "negative nancy" considering being realistic would be yet another mediocre 6-10 season, as opposed to a season bad enough to land Matt Barkley.

    But, anybody will tell you, mediocrity is the absolute WORST position you can be in, in professional sports. When you suck, you have a much better chance at changing your fortunes with draft position. I've been in this position for years with both the Dolphins and 76ers. Meanwhile I get to see teams like the OKC Thunder, and soon the Colts, doing the smart thing and becoming Championship contender year after year after year after year. So yea, I'm taking suck anyday of the week over yet another mediocre season, getting to watch game changing NFL prospects, most notably at the QB position, get drafted before us, while we get to trot out another teams garbage at QB for yet another season.

    The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Basically, the Miami Dolphins the last 13 years.
     
  33. Clipse

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    1. And Ireland then continued to fit his bosses mold, who was no longer with the team, by picking an interior lineman with a top 15 pick, something that's unheard of, and then taking a slow, big running back in the 2nd round. Now why would Ireland do that? Could it be because he's of the same philosophy as Parcells?

    2. See above. I'll also throw in Marc Columbo as a perfect example of a Parcells player brought in by Jeff Ireland. Moore is certainly the type of QB you'd expect Parcells to bring in. As for Reggie Bush, not sure I would say he's not a player Parcells would be interested in. Dave Meggett, one of Parcells favorite players. Very similar player.

    3. Pat White has been reported to be a Parcells move. Whether that's true, who knows. But that doesn't mean Ireland didn't like the move, and encourage it. I seen enough from Jeff Ireland. His top 2 picks + Columbo, Moore. Not to mention Kevin Burnett who's a very similar player to Dansby whom Parcells brought in. All classic Parcells moves, done by Ireland without Parcells. We needed a complete overhaul of this team. Someone who hasn't proven to be useless thus far in the front office.

    Is that logical enough for you? I'm sure it's not since it doesn't fit your agenda.
     
  34. Clipse

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    Those wins came against teams with a combined record of 40-56. All teams as equally devoid of talent as us. Let's all get excited about beating not one team with a winning record. Who cares if it cost us a chance at Luck or RG3, I'll cherish those wins against scrub teams for the rest of my life!
     
  35. MrClean

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    I'd guess the Pats get excited about beating not one team with a winning record. Since they didn't all of the last regular season.
    Don't give up. You have another chance next season to hope we lose enough games to draft Matt Barkley.

    Which team did you say was your favorite one? I seem to have missed it.
     
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    you are really spiraling downhill. so picking a center is unheard of? what about Pouncey's all-pro interior lineman of a brother, #18 pick?

    and yes....Columbo was a big mistake. However, Moore was not. If a GM brings in a backup QB that outplays your starter, albeit a crappy one, then it's a good move. NO one is professing that Ireland is a great GM. but he's better than you are claiming. How about on your way home you stop by the great-GM tree and pluck us another one?
     
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    Wait, what? Wasn't Pouncey's brother also taken in the first round the season before...by Pittsburgh? So it is heard of and not Parcells related but highly successful franchise did it, the season before....and yet somehow that proves Ireland is like Parcells? Are you high?

    Marc Columbo was a miss. Oh well. GM's miss all the time. There are going to be overlaps between Parcells players and other people's players....Jake long for example. The problem you fail to understand is that just because its Parcells-type player doesn't mean its not a player other people would want. Whether Columbo is or isn't a Parcells player is debatable, but he did suck and the rest of the last offseason more than shows a departure from Parcells. As far as Dave Meggett and Reggie Bush.....are you high?

    So according to you, "who knows" what moves Parcells made and which Ireland made. Yet, Ireland is definitely a horrible GM. Are you high?

    Look, you have two sides of the argument here, one that says Ireland is horrible and must be fired and possibly run out of Miami altogether, and they perpetuate that by protesting, buying airplane banners, billboards and setting up web sites all dedicated to firing Ireland. The other side simply says, let's not jump to conclusions yet, the only honest assessment of Ireland's skills was from last year, and it wasn't that bad. Let's givce him one more year and see how he does. If he sucks he can be fired and we can start the difficult process of finding a new GM. Which side is acting bat **** crazy? Hint: your side.
     
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  38. Clipse

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    No, picking an interior lineman in the top 15 is unheard of. Want to know the last time an interior OL was drafted with a top 15 pick? Chris Naeole in 1997. Why? Because that's laughable value. You draft an interior OL that high, he better be Alan Faneca good, who, by the way, was drafted 26th overall.
     
  39. Clipse

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    I must of missed the part where Maurkice Pouncey, who was a better prospect than Mike, was a top 15 pick. I also must of missed the part where the Steelers didn't have a stacked team with a franchise QB and could afford to draft for need, unlike us. I will say, last year's draft was rather weak outside of the top 10, so Pouncey wasn't that bad of a pick. But still a prototypical Parcells type move.

    Dave Meggett and Reggie Bush, both Wide Receivers playing Running back. Well, Reggie Bush as a Saint anyways. Both nearly the same exact skillset.

    Doesn't matter who made the moves. Either Ireland had something to do with those terrible moves, or he stood around collecting paychecks doing nothing. Both deserving of being ****canned and replaced with someone who does something positive for his team.
     
  40. MrClean

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    So Miami is the first team to ever pick a guard or center with a top 15 pick?
     
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