He is 28 now, turns 29 in like the 4th game of the regular season. Most QBs are productive when they are 36 Peyton Manning is making a comeback now and he is 36, Brady is 35..
Well if we don't take Tannehill that means the Browns probably would at #22. I don't see anyone else that would really pick him in front of us.
I love Gruden, in your face fun but serious. He knows his ****, he's a football guy who jerks off to all the players he would have loved to have play for him. Some hate him but I like his intensity and passion for the game
Those are greats. Name some more QBs good in their late 30s. And im well aware how old he is and will be.
Talent is the number one reason you don't play in the NFL, not age. You want examples of guys that play in their late 30's but you want to exclude the talented ones. That's like saying gunshot wounds are no big deal, give me examples of people that die from gunshot wounds. Oh but don't talk about ones that got shot in the head or chest.
I want to exclude all time greats yes. Your talking about top 10 QBs to. If you were trying to compare Luck to one of them I would balk the same way. And I understand talent is why you play in the NFL, and that's the reason I think he will be successful, hes a very good QB. I just dont think he will break the mold and be a great QB into his late 30s. BTW. Those two QBs that were mentioned were 35 and 34 their last successful season. Not late 30s like I asked.
rich gannon was pretty old and he a super bowl season with the raiders after playing a pretty average career. weeden wouldnt have the football years on him and he's not a RB. people are making too big a deal about his age. age matters if the player has had knee injuries/bad injury history or is soley good because of his speed.
Rich Gannon played until he was 40. Kurt Warner played till he was 40 (similar situation to Weeden), Warren Moon played to 44, Vinny Testaverde played to 44, Steve DeBerg was 44, Doug Fluite 43 (also similar to Weeden), Earl Morrall 42. And here is a list of 40 year old QBs: Charlie Conerly Len Dawson QB Vince Evans Joe Ferguson Jim Hart Brad Johnson Wade Wilson Sonny Jurgensen Dave Krieg Like CK pointed out, diminished skill is the biggest thing that finishes NFL careers, NOT age. If Weeden CAN play he will have at least 6 to 7 years in him. If he CANNOT play, well we can simply draft another QB.
Playing until your 44 means nothing. Were talking about playing the QB position well until said time. Kurt Warner was a rare kind. His last season was a very good one. At the age of 38. Not 40 like you said. Gannons last good season was 37. Its not impossible for Weedan to be a very good QB until hes 40. But we cant count on him being good into his late 30s. Because it is very very rare.
Yes, and by doing so you're essentially RIGGING the question to assure yourself of being right. The fact of the matter is, people think he's a very talented player. The more talented player you are, the better chance you have of playing well in your late 30's, like Kurt Warner or Brett Favre. Peyton Manning just signed a 5 year contract at 36 years old. Matt Hasselbeck signed a 3 year contract at 36 years old, took over a 6-10 football team and (without Kenny Britt, mind you) turned them into a 9-7 team that fought and just missed the playoffs. Incidentally Dan Marino had very successful quarterback performances at 36 and 37 years old, as well. Steve Young had highly successful seasons at 36 and 37 years old. As I said, Kurt Warner and Brett Favre both had a lot of successful seasons in their late 30's. Warren Moon had the second best season of his entire career at 39 years old. Rich Gannon had really good years at 36 and 37 years old, the latter of which he was an All Pro. But I guess those guys would probably be too talented for you. Fine. Jeff Garcia had three straight seasons with 90+ passer ratings at 36, 37 and 38 years old.
The highest passer rating Boomer Esiason ever produced in his career, he was 36 years old. The highest and third-highest passer ratings Phil Simms ever produced came when he was 36 and 39 years old. Are those guys also too talented to be considered? Guess it's not even worth mentioning that John Elway had three of the four highest single season passer ratings of his entire career at 36, 37 and 38 years old, not to mention those Super Bowl trophies he earned at 37 and 38 years old. Too talented.
All to talented! I want examples of Chad Hennes and Matt Moores doing it! Ok just kidding. obviously foot in mouth situation where I was wrong. I thought it happened very little and thought I looked it up and proved the point before.....Guess not lol
If you want examples of guys who were talented but just couldn't cut it heading into their mid to late 30's...I'm trying to think...the guys that come to mind are Jake Delhomme (in large part due to Tommy John surgery), Donovan McNabb and Drew Bledsoe. But even McNabb, I watched him play with Washington in 2010 and with Minnesota 2011, I swear his biggest problem is all upstairs, all in his head. It's not physical. Brad Johnson won that Super Bowl at 34 years old and his career went on a steady decline from there. Hell even Vinny Testaverde...best season he ever had was at 35 years old. Same with Randall Cunningham. I'm just trying to say that talent should be the main topic of discussion on Brandon Weeden, and contrary to what folks like myself would have you believe, there are plenty of people out there (such as alen1) that question Weeden from a talent perspective. That's the bear to be tackled, IMO. If you've got the talent question answered, the age stuff just falls in line.
you may have answered this question already but I dont feel like reading the whole thread again. Would u pick weeden at #8? I would if I believed in him. I dont expect him to be there in the 2nd round. Our only chance is to pick him at #8 or trade back to before Cleveland picks again at #22. Unless Cleveland gets tannehil, we might have a chance at weeden in the 2nd round. But why risk that?
I never questioned Weedens talent. Ive said many times if he was 24 he would be the #2 pick. Hes that good. I have just always questioned how many good seasons we can get out of him. Him staying for his senior season was also a big negative for me. It just rubbed me the wrong way also.
Purely depends on what my intel is telling me about where he'll go in the Draft, and how much I trust that intel. If I have a reasonable fear that trading down from #8, or trying to trade up from #42, I won't get him...then when push comes to shove you've got to make sure you get that quarterback.
In light of the fact that he was given a 2nd-3rd round grade by the Advisory Committee, decision becomes a lot more understanable. They were telling him he should continue to work on his craft at Oklahoma State, so he did.
As NorFlaFin questioned, I too wonder why Ryan Lindley is not at "camp". Mayock originally had him at # 5 on his list. His primary drawback was poor decisions due to a gunslinger mentality. I love this kids skills. CK, you look at tape on this guy? Any thoughts???
Have you done much film study on him? The few times I've seen him he's look pretty good. Obviously, he's a project, but I'd love to see us double down with a guy like this. Don't know if he would clear waivers and make the practice squad if it came to that tho...
Yes I have. Big time arm talent and some moxie. But, can't get around the simple fact that his accuracy is not where it should be. Jake Locker minus the 4.5 speed.
The general book on Lindley is that he has great skills but needs a ton of time (3 years). I wouldn't mind a double down with him, although my favorite later round QB by far is Russell Wilson.
They just posted Russell Wilson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmH3...DvjVQa1PpcFO53-ymsInQCGlms5fEF4IStR56kn2r_F8= Man, he has some gaudy stats. If he were 2" taller would he be considered a better prospect?
I would love to move down, but Floyd won't be there when we pick again in the first. I think hes as legit as they get, I'm full on convinced weeden just has what it takes, mentally this guy gets it and I think is the most nfl ready you can get, I'd love curry to drop to us and fill that de position, broyles I think will take over the number 2 job.. I think we could be POTENT on offense
Can't wait wait to watch the entire thing. Impressed with him coaching up the receivers at the end there.
I hated Osweiler after the first 7 second of listening to him. Talk about his agent getting in his ear and telling him what to say. With everyone else is was just fun and light. With Os it felt like an interview.
IMHO, he would be giving Andrew Luck and RGIII a serious run for their money for the #1 overall pick....
I agree with that Laces...I want the mother grabber on my team, and Iam not trading up and Iam not taking guys too high, not when I could get this guy in the 2nd.
Gruden is a bada** and Weeden is almost as bada**... to hell with his age, theres not much stopping this guy from being a great qb. Teams that pass on him because of age will regret it IMO
I can't deny the intel we have on Tannehill, we can truly test the theory of a Qb with talent, that is developed properly and plays in the right system, has a pretty good chance of turning into something great, while Tannehill has a good arm and some athletic ability, I can't deny Brandin Weedens arm talent, leadership, and decision making, I feel like in all three categories Weeden tops Tannehill, he is my first choice, but if for some reason we can't get either, I'am all over Russell Wilson.
