The more talk of Tannehill, the more worried I get about this pick....

I'm fairly certain it has more to do with what Ted Ginn has(n't) done. Brady Quinn is at least a backup.

 

Now before I continue, I do not believe that Ginn lived up to being selected at his slot. With that said, Ginn contributed substantially to a team that went deep into the playoffs last season, something Quinn has yet to do. Like I said, Ginn was not worth the pick, but he is by far the better player.

 

Well watching Quinn and his complete lack of accuracy for 3 years would've bought Cam Cameron a few more years, in wich we would have never experienced the AFC East championship, no wildcat, and likely no winning season to date.

Atlleast we got one good season out of the past 10, and if we draft Quinn we wouldn't even have had that.

 

We have to roll the dice. We failed with Manning. Garrard and Moore are probably not QB's who are the future who will take us to the super bowl. What is left? Wait until next year to see if we can get Barkley? We wont get him. We'll be too mediocre for that. And who knows who else will be there. Might as well try it this year, maybe he will be something.

 

Ginn burning revis on that one big play at the end of a game for a Fin win a coupla years back eases the pain a bit.

In all seriousness, I would not be sad to not take Tan. with the pick. With BM gone, a diff O scheme in the making, who's really to say if Moore can't flourish. Let the guy have a go for a year. Garrard isn't that bad of a backup if all goes horribly wrong. And really, if it does, I'd rather be in position for Bark next year than himmm and hawww for Tan. this year.

I'd say rock the 1st round world and fill a need with a play-maker, O or D, instead of a potential gamble at QB. Don't get me wrong, I kinda like Tan. but @ 8th...yeesh...

 

Thanks CK, I haven't seen that one...He looks pretty decent with some wheels, at least he's 6'4". Perhaps he is the guy at #9.

 

Maybe I'm in the minority but the 8th overall pick should mean "can't miss player." The pick needs to be a game changer of ANY position. If Irish and Sherman believe it's Tannehill in 2-3 yrs than so be it. If there is no conviction on THill than it's time to draft someone like DeCastro. This guy is supposed to be one of the best guard prospects ever. He's supposedly a can't miss perennial probowler. The only other player that seems to be garnering this type of accolade is Luck. I know the initial reaction is...not another o-lineman or he's only a guard. But think what our offense can do with Long-DeCastro-Pouncy-Incognito-RT of your choice.

 

That sounds good in theory, but there's virtually no such thing. Even "cant miss players" become miss players.

However, I do believe that you can't go wrong with drafting DeCastro for a measly $12.0M and using he, Long, and Pouncey to help establish an outstanding Oline. I wouldn't take him over Coples, Clairborne, or Tannehill though.

The thought of a 1st round guard isn't very exciting, but if you can kill it the rest of the draft, then a HOF potential guard could be the icing on the cake.

 

Let me paint a scene for you.

The Miami Dolphins pick late in the top 10 of the Draft. They need a quarterback in the worst way. The Cleveland Browns pick in the top 5, and they also need a quarterback in the worst way. They're both showing interest in the same guy. Most people aren't sure if he'll fall beyond the Browns' pick, but if he does there will be some celebrating in Miami tonight. The Browns pass on him! Everything breaks Miami's way. The time comes, and the guy's not on the phone. The Dolphins turn in the card and he's not on the phone. They pass on him too! The quarterback falls precipitously down the board after the two snubs, finally the Cleveland Browns circle back around and say hell, if you guys are going to let this guy fall, we'll grab him in the 20's. Meanwhile the Dolphins wait, patiently, chewing their nails and hoping this one older quarterback in his late 20's falls to their pick in the 40's. They should trade up. Everyone thinks they should trade up if they want him. They don't, and he does it, he falls to their pick. Suddenly the anger from the 1st round turns into understanding. There was a plan. A risky plan, but a plan.

Am I talking about 2007 or 2012?

Funny how history repeats itself.

 

2007 they passed on him twice.

 

Huh?

The Browns passed on Quinn at #3 overall. The Dolphins passed on him at #9 overall. Then the Browns traded up into the 1st round again at pick #22 overall and took Quinn. Neither team passed on Quinn twice.

 

oops, got my years mixed up

 

We are seeing a stark philosophy in how a team should draft. But which philosophy is right?

Does a team draft BPA despite an apparent need at a particular position? Not getting into the semantics of a 'sure thing' draft prospect, but if there's a conviction on that team's draft board as a sure thing, should a team draft that player or possibly stretch for a player who is valued "much lower" based on need?

This is a very interesting concept, and one that has surely changed the landscape of how teams will draft in the future given the new rookie wage scale. Remember just several years ago when teams would pass up on a potential draft pick because of money?

In 2006, Reggie Bush was in many eyes, a surefire #1 overall. But, at least from the reports, the guy wanted too much dough and the Texans went with Mario Williams. Now, who knows if the Texans wanted Williams in the first place, but my point is that money certainly played some role in the Texans decision to go with Williams. Back then, salary and guaranteed money played an interesting role in how a team drafted, and, in some regard, could have made a team wary of overpaying for a player, especially at the QB position (even though QBs still dominated the #1 overall picks in the last fifteen years). Teams learned that having to pay more for QBs meant that they were in it for the long-haul with an early first round QB. And that QB could set a team back years if he did not pan out (cue JaMarcus Russell). It is a concept that might have played a major role as to why Miami did not get Quinn at #9. That, or the Ginn Family was just too good to pass up.

But today's draft process is so much different in how a team approaches the QB position. There is such a difference in that, before Jacksonville signed Henne, there was talk that the Jags were looking to draft another QB in the first round of this year because of Gabbert's paltry rookie season. And because the QB position is so highly regarded, teams are making the leap to draft otherwise "average QB prospects" at an earlier stage because it is less of a financial risk now than ever before. If that QB does not pan out, oh well. Teams will continue to throw crap at the wall until something sticks.

Because this is a fairly new concept, I ask, which seems better? Should a team take a QB above his draft grade given the importance of the position? Or does a team draft BPA?

It is interesting to think about because a team is potentially missing out with either choice.

Miami is certainly in this position now.

Because of this new concept, I think we will see some intriguing draft day trades (not just this year, but in the future years as well) for a QB. Having said that, it will be interesting to see how these trades transform a team's future, and if one draft sets a team back in a way it did when a team signed a QB high in the draft before the rookie wage scale. This year alone, the Redskins moved up four spots to #2 to draft (presumably) Robert Griffin III. St Louis, in return, gets: Washington's 1st and 2nd round picks this year, a 1st rounder in 2013, and a 1st rounder in 2014.

This is a different draft atmosphere, and it still revolves around one position.

 

You're assuming that Ireland decides on who starts and who doesn't start. It's perfectly reasonble to think that Ireland thought Moore was the better player but the head coach decided to stick with the guy who had more experience running his offense.

 

I hope we pass on Tannehill but if we don't its going to be a long wait to see what he can really do because he will not play the next 2 seasons other than preseason.