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If Tannehill were in the last 5 drafts:

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Ray Lucas, Apr 19, 2012.

  1. Ray Lucas

    Ray Lucas Member

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    Where would Tannehill rank if he were drafted in the last five drafts? I'm not neccessarily asking for people's opinion of all these guys, more so what grades these guys received from most draft gurus, compared to Tannehill this year.

    2011:
    1. Newton
    8. Locker
    10. Gabbert
    12. Ponder
    35. Dalton

    I feel like like most pundits had Newton, Gabbert, Locker ranked in the top three. Feel like Tannehill is a better prospect than all these guys, save for Newton.

    2010:
    1. Sam Bradford
    25. Tim Tebow
    48. Jimmy Clausen
    85. Colt McCoy

    Think he'd obviously be the second ranked passer here. Not sure how much higher Kiper or McShay had Bradford graded than Tannehill this year.

    2009:
    1. Matt Stafford
    5. Mark Sanchez
    17. Josh Freeman
    44. Pat White (whoops!)

    My guess, probably ranked second in this class as well. Sanchez wasn't insanely rated when he came out, save for the Jets media.

    2008:
    3. Matt Ryan
    18. Joe Flacco
    56. Brian Brohm
    57. Chad Henne

    Is Ryan Tannehill possibly higher ranked than Matt Ryan? Don't think its even a question Tannehill is higher ranked than the other three.

    2007:
    1. JaMarcus Russell
    22. Brady Quinn
    36. Kevin Kolb

    I imagine Ryan Tannehill is ranked higher than all these guys. Everybody knew Russell was going to be the first pick, but everyone thought it was a huge risk as well. Don't think Tannehill is nearly that risky.
     
  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    How I felt about Matt Ryan is a lot about how I feel about Tannehill.
     
  3. Ray Lucas

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    I think Luck would be ranked 1st out of all of these guys. Think Griffin would go #1 in any draft outside of this one, and the Bradford draft. Its not like Tannehill is like every other 3rd ranked qb in the NFL draft class. Picking him at #8 would be a steal, in my opinion.
     
  4. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill probably would not have been ranked above Newton, Bradford, Stafford, or possibly Russell.....so you can look at it that he would have been #2 in most drafts out you can look at the fact he is in the same group as the rest of those guys that are not good starters in the NFL. I wouldn't mind the pick if he is there at 8, worth a shot imo, but I'm not going to be elated about the future of the team just from this pick.
     
  5. Alex44

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    I proposed this in another thread, it is Tannehill related but not in the way most expect. The Browns reportedly are deciding between Richardson, Blackmon and Tannehill at #4. This tells me they have Tannehill rated above Weeden who they could pick at #22 while acquiring one of these players.

    If we are not big into Tannehill it is reported that Seattle definitely is if he falls to them. Teams like Buffalo and KC may also be. I wonder if the Browns would be willing to trade from #22 to #8. They may even be willing to overpay for the guarantee of drafting the QB they really really like. At #22 you have your option of Weeden, Fleener, or a WR you like (or someone else). As well as obtaining some early picks.

    As to the original post on the thread, solid way to look at it. I think Newton, Bradford and Stafford would be rated ahead of him for sure and the others would simply come down to preference. I'm not a fan of Ryan even now.
     
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  6. Ray Lucas

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    I think Tannehill could have been rated higher than both Newton and Russell... Obviously, Newton far exceeded our expectations, but I think just judging from the draft, Tannehill could have been picked before Cam last year.
     
  7. Alex44

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    Newton just has a ridiculous skill set. He is Vince Young with a better football head on his shoulders. I think that he would still be rated ahead of Tannehill but it's hard to say.
     
  8. MikeHoncho

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    All of the aforementioned QBs have done exactly jack diddly in the NFL. Does any of this really matter?



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  9. Da 'Fins

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    I don't think Griffin would go over Newton. Griffin is elevated, in significant part, because of Newton's success. Like it or not, Griffin is going to be lumped into the Mick Vick type. Great player/athlete who is susceptible to injury and difficult to tell how good he'll really be as a passer (I like him better than Vick as a passer; not as a runner).

    I actually would have Griffin rated lower in actuality from Newton b/c of Newton's size and ability to take a pounding. We've seen this in Big Ben. Size matters in the NFL in terms of durability - especially for a QB who may make a living scrambling with his legs.
     
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  10. jw3102

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    I don't think where he would have been rated is really the issue. The fact is that the Browns, Rams, Vikings, Tamp Bay, and Jags all are on the list to draft before the Dolphins next week. While there has been some talk that the Browns are interested in Tannehill, until they actually draft him, it has to be assumed they feel McCoy is a better long term prospect than Tannehill is. The Vikings and Jags have shown no interest in Tannehill, so they obviously feel Ponder and Gabbert will be better going forward than Tannehill. The Rams are obviously also convinced that Bradford is a legitimate franchise QB in the making. Tampa Bay also has shown no interest in Tannehill and therefore you have to conclude that they like Freeman more than Tannehill.

    Other than the Rams, I have to think that all these other teams would have jumped at the chance to draft Luck this year if they had the first pick in the draft. I also think the Lions, Ravens, Jets, Bengals, Panthers, Falcons, and Titans would happily choose the QB they selected in the last five years over a chance to select Tannehill this season.

    Therefore the only QB's on this list I see the teams taking Tannehill over at this time are, Russell, Quinn, Brohm, Henne, White, Clausen, and possibly Kolb. Of course all these QB's have turned out to be complete bust in the NFL, except for Kolb, and the jury is still out on him.

    Tannehill may turn out to be a quality QB or he may not. It just doesn't appear that many teams who have selected QB's in the last five years and who are drafting before and right after the Dolphins in the 2012 draft have any real interest in selecting him and getting rid of the QB they drafted in the last five years.
     
  11. rafael

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    I generally agree with the OP's rankings. I hated Russel in that '07 draft. I had him as a bust all the way. I have Tannehill ranked higher than I would have ranked Ryan in '08. And I would have had him as the second ranked QB behind Stafford, Bradford and Newton the other three years, although it would have been close with Newton.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    That is not how it works. That is terrible use of logic.

    Also the second point, duh, Luck is seen as one in a lifetime quarterback. They wouldn't do the same with Barkley.

    Your third point is basically just pointing out all the busts, which is just silly.

    The last point is useless.
     
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  13. Alex44

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    I don't think that matters. The Jags and Vikings drafted QB's last season. No team is going to draft a QB in back to back years highly regardless of the new CBA because it takes more than one season to evaluate the future of a QB. I'm not a huge Tannehill fan but the reason you gave really isn't relevant IMO.
     
  14. Ray Lucas

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    Ignore the fact that a lot of these QBs are busts. Plenty of WR's, OLB's, RB's, etc have also under performed their draft position. All I'm pointing out, is that taking Tannehill who would in most of the last 5 drafts be the first or second best QB prospect 8th overall, is not a reach. Especially factoring in the new collective bargaining agreement, the addition of Philbin (with GB's history with young qbs) and Sherman (Knows his fair share of Tannehill), as well as the idea that he fits the new implementing of the west coast offense perfectly.
     
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  17. JPPT1974

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    Give the kid a chance. As he may be a great NFL player. As the critics are coming down on him. We need to see him play, not predict.
     
  18. jw3102

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    I won't argue with you that Tannehill would have been rated higher than many of the QB's you listed. Ratings are fun before the draft, but appear to mean very little once the games begin. Stafford, Ryan, and Newton were all the top rated QB's in their draft class and all have had decent careers so far. Flacco and Sanchez have both led their teams to the playoffs more then once, but I certainly wouldn't consider either of them top tier QB's in the NFL. Dalton and Freeman appear to be the best of the rest, but they still have a long way to go to be considered top tier QB's.

    Tannehill may end up being as good as Stafford, Ryan, or Newton. He may also end up being the next Clausen. Henne, or God forbid, Russell. The next few years will tell and where he is rated now or how he would have been rated in any of the drafts in the last five years won't matter one bit.
     
  19. rafael

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    Actually, Cleveland, Miami, Buffalo, KC, Seattle and Philly have all shown a ton of interest in Tannehill. Basically, all the QB needing teams (and some that aren't) among the first 15 picks. In fact, there were 22 teams at his workout. The ones I listed were teams that we know had him in for private workouts.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Of course, however I do not have a time machine and can't go into the future. Right now, talking about ratings before the draft is relevant.
     
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  22. jw3102

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    If you are talking about this years ratings, that is fine. As you noted though, we don't have time machines. So attempting to figure out where Tannehill would have fit into the ratings in previous years doesn't really matter because as you note, it is only this years draft ratings which are relevant.
     
  23. jw3102

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    Teams have dozens of players in for private workouts and this doesn't mean they have an interest in drafting all these players. I am sure many of these teams might be interested in Tannehill if he drops in the draft. I have just pointed out that the interest in him doesn't appear to be high enough for any of the teams to move up past the Dolphins in an attempt to ensure they are able to draft him.

    I will agree that the Browns could surprise us and end up drafting Tannehill. I also understand that one of these teams you mentioned could make a draft day trade into the top seven to draft Tannehill. None of these scenarios matter to me because I would love to see Tannehill drafted before the Dolphins are on the board. This way the Dolphins could draft one of the best seven players in the draft and still get a young QB in the second or third round. Losing Tannehill to one of the teams you listed would not be the worst thing that could happen to the Dolphins on draft day, as far as I am concerned.
     
  24. Ray Lucas

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    John Beck, Pat White, Chad Henne... All second round picks. I know we've heard that argument before, but who in the 2nd or 3rd round are worth dubbing as our "future franchise quarterback"
     
  25. Ohio Fanatic

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    Valid point, although I can see Weeden slipping to the 2nd round. Beck and White were obvious busts. Henne had pretty reasonable expectations. I still believe if he had gone to a real offensive system with a good QB staff, he could have been another D Bledsoe, i.e., good but not great, consistently. I wonder how he could have fared in Green Bays system. He could have been the next Matt Flynn, overachieving and eventually overvalued and overpaid
     
  26. pocoloco

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    Seattle is not going to pick Tannehill after signing Flynn. You call that bluff all day long.

    Cleveland is a real possibility, and there's very little we can do about it. If they do, you go ahead and get Blackmon or DeCastro and move on.
     
  27. rafael

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    Teams are limited in how many players they can bring in by league rules. If they are bringing him in b/c they consider him a possibility. You seem to have this mistaken belief that your third round evaluation is shared. Even the experts that are claiming Tannehill would be a reach have a late first, early second round grade on him. They all agree he has franchise QB skills. You're entitled to your opinion of his talent, but there is o evidence that any experts or teams share that opinion.
     
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    The deal they signed Flynn to is peanuts. The deal Tannehill would get is more peanuts. For a franchise like Seattle doubling your chances makes PERFECT sense.
     
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  30. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    It is mostly relevant because hit helps show worth.
     
  31. rafael

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    You also have King's report on Monday that Seattle and specifically Carroll loves Tannehill and would absolutely take him if he fell to them.
     
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  33. Fin-Omenal

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    Thats about where i wouldve saw him in those drafts.
     
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    newton is nothing like young....newton is good. hell the people thought he was gonna bust were mainly because he's black and built like young so in came the comparisions.
     
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    i would rather have tanny over a lot of these picks. its hard to rate him because youre judgement is influenced by hind sight and the fact garbage like sanchez, ponder and tebow went so early.
     
  36. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    You are kidding right??
     
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  37. rafael

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    I could see it. Newton had all of those personality questions about him. I have no doubt that a percentage of the teams would have had Tannehill higher. IMO it was close, but I had Newton higher b/c I didn't buy into the personality questions about Newton.
     
  38. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Hard to agree with any opinion that puts him behind Locker
     
  39. Lloyd Heilbrunn

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    So, you think he would have been the first pick in both those drafts?
     
  40. rafael

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    I think it would depend on who had the first pick. Tannehill would probably have been above Russell on the majority of boards and I'm guessing about 35% - 40% of the boards vs. Newton.
     

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