THIS, except I would probably plug Cox in instead of Coples.....although....something tells me Coples is who we pick
a point Iam trying to make is if Tannehill is not the pick, then there are very few players on the board deserving of # 8, A trade down seems like the right move.
I agree, a trade down isn't a bad move. If they were somehow able to move down, say with Dallas or Philadelphia at 14 or 15, and get additional picks AND still get Ryan Tannehill, I'd tip my cap to Jeff Ireland.
I don't want Coples but he is a realistic option that Ireland may do. I would say Cox but I think he has a real shot at going to St. Louis if not he could be the best trade option we have if we want to move down.
Well, if Tannehill was off the board right there, I'd be all over Courtney Upshaw or Mark Barron (assuming Dallas hasn't already drafted him) at that point. If Kuechly or Ingram were still on the board there, those two and Michael Floyd would be my top 5 after a trade down. I'd also consider Brandon Weeden there depending on how many picks Miami acquired and what they were.
I've mentioned this before. Let's say we are not sold on Tannehill but Cleveland is. How would you feel about moving down to their #22 and acquiring additional early picks. With that you could select Weeden if you believe in him or another option like Fleener. I wonder how much higher if any Cleveland is on Tannehill than Weeden.
If tanny was gone and we could trade down I would love to see us pick up Weeden/Fleener with the picks we get for #8
Want: 1) Tannehill - the possible franchise QB we need. 2) Blackmon - despite the size/speed concern I feel he can be a top NFL wideout. 3) Coples - a possible elite end, I don't buy the character concerns. 4) Claiborne - upgrade to Smith, and possibly allow Marshall to slide to safety. 5) Barron - may not be Ed Reed/Polamalu, but this could be the difference maker in the secondary we missed by passing on Earl Thomas. Questionable: 1) Kuechly - for an "Urlacher type" the lack of big plays is concerning, tackling machines can be found outside the top 10. 2) Malcom Floyd - good prototype, not sold on the character. 3) Ingram - could be what we need opposite Wake. Don't want: 1) Rieff and 2) DeCastro - as good as they may be (DeCastro especially) we absolutely HAVE to be able to find OL outside of round 1. We cannot spend THIS many resources on the line and have enough talent elsewhere, just no. I would potentially be ok with Kalil if we thought that a) Long's injuries may continue or b) we will struggle to resign him, but he won't drop to 8. 3) Any DT - this unit is fine and we need to spread the resources out.
Lets say you are going to draft a guy like Osweiler or Wilson in the later-mid rounds though. Now this is hypothetical it doesn't matter how anyone feels about them. By selecting Decastro and plugging him in at LG (move Incognito to RG) you have the blindside of your young prospect basically protected by bulletproof glass and a layer of cement for the next ten seasons.
Workout Warrior? He was involved in over 190 plays last season in which he either made a solo tackle or assisted on the tackle. He led the entire nation in this stat. He is a tackling machine who is always around the ball. How this equates to just being a workout warrior is beyond me. I understand why some on here don't rate him as highly as I do, but I believe he is going to be a LB that the team drafting him can plug in the middle from day one and he will be their starting middle LB for the next decade or more, if he stays healthy.
Honestly I'd prefer to drop back and take Fleener. However if the choice is DeCastro I will be fine, because he is a HOF type talent in my opinion.
in order of preference: 1) Ryan Tannehill @ QB 2) Justin Blackmon @ WR 3) Matt Kalil @ OL 4) De Castro @ OL 5) Fletcher Cox @ DL having made this post: 1) it will be Tannehill @ 8, unless he is not worthy & the potential answer to the franchise 2) I trust in the judgement of Ireland, Philbin, Sherman & Coyle to draft the right piece should they pass on Ryan, I would be very pleased to see any of the other four chosen really looking forward to a new direction & great season. a good draft will help but the draft is always a crap shoot. the difference this year will come from the coaching cadre. this is the year of the Coach.
Personally at #8 if I have character concerns about a guy (not rumors, legitimate ones I can verify) he is off my draft board entirely. It is hard enough to succeed in the NFL without adding additional hurdles against yourself.
Thats why we should draft Kuechly. He is the antithesis of Coples. If we cannot draft our franchise QB, then lets draft our defensive QB.
Somewhat on this note, does anyone else find those horseshoe "tattoos" he has going on his arms disgusting? I guess its actually considered a Brand.
in order: Tannehill (franchise decision) ... i have no druthers on this Coples ... offers something that we need and don't currently have -- i do question his intellect and motor, but then again ... Lawrence Taylor wasn't all that bright. Kuechly ... again offers something that we need and don't currently have -- a true potential captain and MLB. Clairborne... offers something that we need and don't currently have -- a 2d corner ... the regime 'might' not think we need this -- but we are throwing a lot of candidates at this problem set; highly not likely to be there - but if he is, i'd take him. Trade bait: Blackmon -- he does offer something that we don't currently have, but exactly what Blackmonesque WR does GB have ... NONE. So, IF he is there - someone will want to trade up to get him ... take the trade. Richardson -- also offers something that we don't currently have ... but would not pick him @ #8 -- but someone else would. Barron -- offers much, but wouldn't take him @ #8, and don't see anyone trading up to get him either (not top 10 anyway). I am NOT taking an OL @ #8 in this draft .... not a chance. A trade down to ~ 15 changes a lot of things ... as the only person above that 'could' still be there - would be Kuechly. Then, you could think: Upshaw, Barron, Reiff, Adams, Perry, Crick and a few others .... and with 2 X 2s, and 2 X 3s ... or worst case 1 X 2, 3 X 3s ... we could hit several other positions to include: TE, DT, WR ...
Sorry, but I completely disagree with this. First and foremost, I watched 7 complete A&M games this last season. I saw Tannehill pretty much every other weekend, against very week defenses, and the kid is not even remotely close to being worthy of a top 10 pick...probably not a first round pick. That being said, of course Sherman has the inside track, so then, and only then, if Sherman believes he is "The Guy" then sure, he's their pick.....but the kid will have to sit probably a minimum of 2 years, and aside from a strong arm and very nice athleticism, hasn't showcased ANYTHING a WCO QB is required to have, nor has he ever showcased leadership qualities...so everybody needs to keep all of this in mind. On the flip side, IMHO there are easily 12 guys that are more than qualified to be the # 8 pick. I mean, what quantifies this? I see 12 guys that could INSTANTLY become starters and seriously bolster up a position of need. Of course, 7 of those guys will be gone by the time we pick, so that leaves roughly 5 guys. Of those, I easily see the 5 that I mentioned. Each and every one of those guys could, and more than likely would come in and immediately make a very noticeable upgrade at a position of need. IMHO, that is exactly what a 1st round player should be able to do.
Yeah, I'd have to agree with that. Can't believe anyone would intentionally do that to themselves. Does bring his decision making into question. Besides, I bet it hurt like hell. But, I think the bigger question mark with him may be the drop off in production from '10 to '11. Was it scheme and coaching, or was it him. Personally, I'd stay away from him at #8.
It's not a horseshoe it is a Omega, and you are correct that it's a "brand" not a tattoo. A lot of black fraternities make their pledges/members get brands to signify the importance of the fraternity to them.
1-Richardson/Claiborne or even Khalil if one slips 2-Keuchly 3-Gilmore 4-Ingram 5-Floyd Tannehill is the x-factor here..... we don't know what the Front office thinks of him. But tomorrow night we'll know.
Thanks for the 411 UFC, I had no idea. Still think it looks terrible, but I can better (somewhat) understand the rationale behind it now.
Imagine how painful/uncomfortable that would be the weeks after getting that done. I can just imagine the pain of trying to sleep.
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Totally agree with you on Coples. I watched him play a lot and he left me very uninspired more times than not. There is no way I'd drop #8 for him. For that matter...neither would I do it for Tannehill.
First of all, I'd like to say, I like having you around THIS place Az, 2nd of all, why are you lecturing me on Tannehil when I've stated my concerns on Tannehill..for example .. "Not sure how many hours I've put in on Weeden and Tannehill, it's been a lot, my conclusions and why I've targeted Weeden over Tannehill comes down to feel for the position, maturity and leadership qualities,vision of the vield, and decision making, Tannehill may have made some Nfl throws in college, but a lot were first read scripted throws, bottom line for Me was, the more I watched, the more I saw a mechanical Qb, with Weeden, I see the antithesis of all my concerns about Tannehill...Smooth, effortless, quick thinker, beautiful thrower, underrated athletically...ready to step in and play the position.. 3rd, no way Is Reiff or Decastro in play for the 8th spot, if Tannehill is not recommended by Sherman, you don't take an offensive lineman at that spot. Too high for what's available, and what this team needs to do.
Blackmon isn't as fast but he makes up for it in strength, think a slightly more explosive Anquan Boldin.
I think that Blackmon's stock has dropped a lot because of the speed "issue'. Just because he doesn't have the size/speed of a Julio Jones or AJ Green, doesn't mean he cant be a great player. Players such as Jerry Rice, Chris Carter, Larry Fitz, and Anquan Boldin all ran 40-yard dash times greater than 4.5. Blackmon actually ran 4.46 at his pro day. I'm not trying to compare him to all time greats like Rice and Carter, but I think that sometimes to much is put into the measurables, and they are things that can misdirect away from a players ability. I think Blackmon proved himself on the field; he is a stud and we would be lucky to have him.
I dunno bout that, T.O had some serious speed and is bigger and stronger than Blackmon. They dont make too many T.O's from a physical standpoint.
I never really thought TO had serious top end speed. The problem I have with Blackmon isn't the top end speed. I just don't see much of a burst from him. I'm not really a fan.
T.O was a long strider but a serious deep threat. As far as Blackmon goes I can agree with what your saying about him lacking the "burst" but I still think he can be effective ala Boldin.