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Who would you trade up for at the top of round 2... assuming...

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Apr 27, 2012.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    assuming it's going to cost #42 and at least one of our 3rd round picks (and likely a later day 3 pick IMO)?

    Guys oft mentioned... Fleener and Upshaw... I wouldn't do it for anyone.

    Discuss. :hi5:
     
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  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fleener or Stephen Hill

    Let's get Tannehill some playmakers.

    while we could use another pass rusher I don't see it as the dire need that some do. Most teams aren't even lucky enough to have a guy like Wake. We already have one great pass rusher. Two is great, but not a necessity. And last I checked there will be other drafts. The value now is in the skill guys. Let's get the best
     
  3. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I do not want to give up one of the third. I think Miami can get good value there.
     
  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    It was costing a 4th round pick to move up ~6 spots in late rd 1. Why would it take a 3rd now? I wouldn't part with that much, heck no.
     
  5. Die_Nasty

    Die_Nasty Well-Known Member

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    I think that staying put will be the right decision, unless there is a player that ireland believes is leaps above the rest of the prospects. I personally think that one of the players we want will be available at 42. Reuben Randle, Cody Fleener, Courtney Upshaw, Vinny Curry are who I would be targeting, I am not a fan of a Stephen Hill pick.

    Btw, I dont think its gonna cost as much as you think to move up.
     
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  6. BayAreaFinFan

    BayAreaFinFan D'oh Club Member

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    IF it didn't cost much Fleener. A good TE can be a quarterbacks best friend
     
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  7. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I've seen Randle mentioned alot, but isn't he more of a possession guy? Don't we have enough of those already and need more of a game breaker?
     
  8. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Because it's the top of round 2 AND everyone has had time to reset their draft boards. They've also had more than the 10 minutes to discuss with several teams the value of a certain pick. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if someone throws a late 2 and next year's first at one of the top 5 teams picking right now.
     
  9. Die_Nasty

    Die_Nasty Well-Known Member

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    I think that he has really good game speed and really good acceleration, I think he can be a possession reciever as well as a deeper threat, Just IMO. I really like him.
     
  10. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    Fleener. Look at Gronk and Hernandez. We need a playmaker at TE.
     
  11. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    We got too many needs to afford a trade up.

    Stay where we are and take Massie then go WR/DE in round 3. Take one of the TE's in 4 or 5.
     
  12. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Whichever team did that would be mentally handicapped....and that is offending the mentally handicapped.
     
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  13. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    Courtney Upshaw! or Fleener the gap between them and the others at their positions is bigger than Strahan's grill.

    Plus one or two of these will be there at 71 and 72:
    Stephen Hill
    Alshon Jeffery
    Rueben Randle
    Muhamed Sanu
    Chris Givens
    Marvin McNutt
    Marvin Jones
    Ryan Broyles
    Nick Toon
    Devon Wylie
     
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  14. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    I'm surprised we didn't try to move up at the end of round 1. Tampa only swapped 4ths with Denver. And with us having an extra 3rd, I would of loved to move up to ensure Fleener...
     
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  15. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'd only give up that much for Upshaw.

    Now, if you're talking about giving up pick #42 and the 4th round pick, I'd list Upshaw, Fleener, or one of the tackles between Jonathan Martin and Mike Adams.

    But, Upshaw would be my primary target regardless.
     
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  16. PhinsRDbest

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    I think Ireland said he tried but the teams were reluctant.
     
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  17. Rouk

    Rouk Well-Known Member

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    I want jenkins bad was praying so the pats wouldn't take him at 31 last night
     
  18. finsbuck719

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    Alshon Jeffery...

    He's gonna be a stud. I wouldn't mind though sitting at 42 and taking Vinny Curry, then going after 2 WRs in the 3rd (ie. Streeter, Givens, Jones, Broyles, etc...)
     
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  19. Stitches

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    Not a possession guy, far more of an all around player than that.
     
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  20. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    He obviously didn't try to hard. Denver was willing to. For pretty damn cheap as well.
     
  21. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    It wasn't for the TE.

    Ireland was trying to nab the free falling DeCastro imo. If the Steelers hadn't nabbed him I think Miami might have pulled something off to get him at 26 to get him.

    The beat reporters mentioned that Ireland rushed back to the room and it was right at the time when in the Club Level chat noticed he was sliding (considering folks were trying to tell me he wouldn't make it to 14-16 if we traded down).
     
  22. dsteve

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    watching the limited highlights of stephen hill he looks nasty but he's kind raw and has a small build for his height.
     
  23. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    But Denver didn't drop down very far... maybe they didn't want to drop all the way down to 42.
     
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  24. PhinPhanatic

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    I dont have a draft point chart but could we trade with SL for the 1st 2nd rounder and give up our second and fourth? I would think that with both Jefferies and Hill available SL might be ok trading down. We could then get Quick and an OLB/DE in the 3rd.
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    The Pats first trade up cost them a late 3rd, then the next one cost a late 4th. They jobbed the Broncos IMO.
     
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  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Back in the 1990s, Bobby Beathard traded his next year's 1st straight up for a current year's 2nd. He did that 2-3 times as I recall.
     
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  27. Phinastic

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    I'd like to pick upshaw here... and wait for dwayne allen in the third possibly. I'd just like a pash rusher over a TE right here.
     
  28. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Based on the draft value chart, an equal trade up to 33 for us would be the swap of the second rounds, and we would have to give up our 4th and 7th rounders.
     
  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    yeah, he got nailed for it... i might have overdone my prediction on that late 2nd and next year's first hehe...
     
  30. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Fleener is my first choice however we could pull it off. Other than that, take the best pass rusher available at 42 and then take 2 WRs in the 3rd, or a one WR, a RT in the 3rd, and another WR in the 4th.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is how Jimmy Johnson got Pat Surtain
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It caught up with him at some point. One notable player he got that way was Natron Means.
     
  33. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    See I don't understand the importance on Fleener when you have Clay. Clay could fit in well with this offense and flexing the tight end. I know I'm not a big fan of Fasano either... but I'm not excited about trading up for Fleener.
     
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  34. Boik14

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    That's a misconception because of randles frame. I thought that too until I watched video and he can run man. He creates separation and has good hands. His route tree seemed somewhat limited but I'm sure he can expand that as it seemed like a function of LSU offense. He's a vertical player all the way though.

    I don't see that one player to move up for at the cost of a 3rd but if I thought buffalo was taking any of Jeffery, Randle or Andre Branch id give a 4 to leapfrog them.
     
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  35. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He made the trade before the 1st round even started that year. I remember them announcing Miami had traded their next year's 1st to Carolina for their 1998 2nd rounder. I was hoping JJ was going to use it on Brian Kelly from USC. Shows what I knew.
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think Clay could play FB for that matter, and Fleener has a much more unique skill set and triangle numbers. I envision him as doing the same thing for his future team as Graham and Gronkowski do. The upside for Clay IMO would be about Dustin Keller, which isn't bad, but just not as dynamic as what I think Fleener could offer.
     
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  37. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Really? I think Clay is much more dynamic than Fleener.
     
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  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That's nice.
     
  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    several teams are interested in trading up to the top of round two for Janoris Jenkins according to this article:

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0900...s-garnering-secondround-interest-in-nfl-draft

    I really really really really hope Miami is not one of them. IMO, anyone that tests positive at the NFL combine should be taken off the board. Not because of the drug thing (lots of current NFL guys smoke weed), it speaks to intelligence and commitment to pro football. You couldn't wait a couple of weeks to light it up? Cmon man!!

    EDIT: Wrong player... still wouldn't trade up for him.
     
  40. PhinPhanatic

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    I respectfully disagree, not to mention the HUGE size difference!!
     

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