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Dolphins trade up, 4th round... Lamar Miller, RB Miami.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Paul 13, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. dsteve

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsYej1KcY7I

    skip to about 50 seconds end to avoid the cry baby stuff at the start. You see him beating double coverage, destroying people after the catch and just flat out being a nasty top 5 WR talent in this league. I agree he was a cancer to some degree but how can you deny his talent?
     
  2. dsteve

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    lol and for you matt moore lovers, please skip to 4:05 mark and watch as your hero underthrows a WIDE WIDE WIDE open brandon marshell and he still manages to dominate terreance newman, a speed oriented DB. lol wow Im glad i watched this because i forgot how talented this cry baby actually was.
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Marshall received less double teams then you surmise, And when he did catch the ball, he was not good after the catch, that's my eyes talking, not stats,.Is he big and can he fight for position against smaller Dbacks, yes, can he make some spectacular catches, yes, am I comparing his game against the other elite receivers in the game, yes, was the production that he did have, for the amount of targeted reps he got, elite by any standards, absolutely not, did he lead the league in drops, yes, did he lack deep speed, big time, did he continue to put his foot in his mouth and undermine players, yes, was he a bad judge of Qb talent, most def, was he worth the money he was getting paid, hell no.
     
  4. padre31

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    I'm watching that video and thinking Marshall did the stuff with the ball that Jeff Fuller does not.

    If Fuller wants to make it in the league, he should watch that video while doing squats and dead lifts because he just does not have that sort of strength in him.
     
  5. Nappy Roots

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    Fuller is not making this team. He can't separate, can't break tackles, and has problems with drops and concentration. I think he's simply here to help Ryan's transition and help him feel more comfortable, as he will likely be working with 3rd stringers a little while.
     
  6. dsteve

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    your eyes must be pretty bad because those highlights from last year show him catching balls in double, tripple coverage, dominating DBs like cro, revis, newman etc and then catching the ball and violently breaking tackles for YAC because there was almost always a saftey over the top and when there wasnt you saw plays like the one against newman, beat by 5 yards (wide open by nfl standards) and him being underthrown. The best WR to compare his skill set is terrel owens except marshell runs better routes but owens was faster in his prime. Last I checked Owens is a HoF WR. (please note I hate TO)


    look im not gonna argue getting rid of him from a team aspect. He's a locker room cancer. He *****ed about henne but then ended up with moore who way worse. He's got mental issues highlighted by the lack of video from the browns games where hayden locked him down. All these things we knew before giving up the picks. I personally wouldnt have only taken the 3rds we got for him, his talent on our talent deprived roster would have been a great thing to have if we could have kept him in check. keep in mind i don't have access to behind the scences stuff and maybe conversations he had with the new coaches.

    Low end predictions for marshell from someone who plays a lot of FF, 1200-1300 yards with 8-12 tds. This places him near the TOP of the NFL in wr production with only studs like the johnsons, fitz and maybe welker in a PPR in front of him. Stop arguing his lack of talent and argue his mental breakdowns if you want to be a cheerleadeer. just saying.

    p.s. while im looking at the stats pages, marshell had 8th most 20 plus yard plays of all players with 20 last season.
     
  7. dsteve

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    fuller looks like crap. i heard he battled injuries so maybe he can make the team. Idont have high hopes.
     
  8. djphinfan

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    I agree with that, but I still think he's a fine undrafted free agent acquisition, and would of went there myself.
     
  9. dsteve

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    more statistical information that I don't always place a lot of stock in but your argument is his production was down here and to a degree you're right but last season he had his highest per catch average since his rookie season when he didnt really and only had 20 catches. also had his third, close to second best season for yards despite his targets and receptions being way down from his denver days when he had a real quarterback talent and a more coherent offensive scheme in place.
     
  10. dsteve

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    he's undrafted for a reason but i wont fault ireland for giving him a shot. costs us nothing. we can always cut him but he's not a marshell level talent.
     
  11. padre31

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    Oh sure, sometimes a player will realize they are not guaranteed anything when they go undrafted and the fountain of motivation begins to flow.

    Not much to lose by signing him and his upside is huge so why not.
     
  12. djphinfan

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    Fantasy footballer, ok.I understand now..
    You have no ability to understand the context of how I am arguing, he's not an elite receiver but gets paid like one..

    He's not even top 10, but he is in your world.
     
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  13. MrClean

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    As with all UDFAs, I think we need to keep an open mind and take a wait and see approach. Sometimes the ones we least expect to make it, end up doing so. The day after the draft in 2008, the same people who are dissing Fuller's chances now, were probably looking as Bess's name on our UDFA list and thinking "no chance" too.
     
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  14. MrClean

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    Fantasy Football is a waste of time to me. Fantasy. That says it all. If I want fantasy, I'll watch some lesbian porn and spank the monkey while thinking of how I am a lesbian trapped in a man's body. ;)
     
  15. dsteve

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    lol I bring the fantasy football argument to the table because you brought the statistical lack of production as a negative for marshell. The point was his production wasn't down (if so, not by much) and he was doing it in a horrible situation with no help around him. There's no way you can watch the highlights of marshell and not get excited. Fact his that his skill set lets him do things on a football field very few people in the league can do. Placing him in the bottom of the top of WRs is not a stretch by any normal persons standards and outside of the miami cheerleader fan base I'm in the majority, not you.

    name me ten better WRs in the league right now. Here, I'll start your list with the obvious ones

    !. Calvin Johnson
    2. Andre Johnson
    3. Fitz
    4. Greg Jennings
    Here's where we get into the maybes
    5. Steve Smith
    6. Roddy White

    and right about 7 is where I'd place him, could go ahead of white(dropsies and better team) or steve smith (age, lack of height)


    So who's left? wes welker? nope. Hakeem Nicks? Nope. Vincent Jackson? nope. Coston? nope. Mike wallace? nope. A brown? nope Dez bryant? not yet....So go ahead and find me ten players nobody will dispute are better than brandon marshell, on the field, talent wise because you can't.
     
  16. slickj101

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    Until you factor in the monetary benefits.
     
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  17. Rhody Phins Fan

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    I would definitely take Mike Wallace over Brandon Marshall. Wes Welker also had better numbers than Marshall and for you shouldn't that mean he's better?
     
  18. dsteve

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    Where did I say stats = gospel? Stats were brought in to counter the argument that his productions was down, which if it was, was only slightly and basically through the fault of the lack of talent around him and our poor play calling. Mike wallace might not even be the best WR on his team let a lone better than marshell. I've heard people make a convincing argument for brown over wallace. Not saying i agree but among most non homeristic people wallance isnt even in this debate.

    as for welker you can argue he does things better than marshell, namley route running but there are things marshell does that welker never will be able to do. Ask any NFL DB who they would rather have to cover one on one and I bet you the answer in marshell.

    for the millionth time, my point is that you can't argue marshells skill set as being top ten. The question is how far do you bring him down for his play when I want, diva attitude? I think dumping him for 3rds when you gave seconds for him was stupid especially when you knew what you were buying in the first place. Whats has more value? Marshells talent of what we got for the 3rds?
     
  19. djphinfan

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    I had him as a 7 th or undrafted.
     
  20. dsteve

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    if his on field problems were because of injury he could be a steal...hell an UDFA making a team is a steal.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    receivers that I would trade Marshall strait up for.

    1) Calvin Johnson

    2) Larry Fitzgerald

    3) Andre Johnson

    4) Greg Jennings

    5) Steve Smith

    6) Roddy White

    7) Hakeem Nicks..mos def.

    8) Wes Welker

    9) Mike Wallace

    10) Aj Green

    11) Julio Jones

    12) Dez Bryant..

    And I would trade Marshall strait up for two rookies if I could.

    13) Justin Blackmon

    14) Michael Floyd..

    With the last three,I think if you gave them the same amount of targets, you would get better numbers.
     
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  22. slickj101

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    ^^ + Victor Cruz and a list of about 8-10 TEs for me.
     
  23. Den54

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    My brother from another mother.:knucks:
     
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  24. Ozzy

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    What channel?
     
  25. rtl1334

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    The big issues with Marshall are the negative plays, the negative locker room impact and the borderline personality disorder.

    How many of his drops or wrong routes contributed to losses? I look at that Jets game. He's outfought by Revis (PI or not - he's supposed to be an alpha isn't he?) which should be 6 for us but instead is 6 for them. As well he inexplicably "loses his balance" and runs out of bounds. These kind of plays cost us wins. The locker room impact and BPD issues are self explanatory.
     
  26. MrClean

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    It's free all over the internet. Not hard to find.
     
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  27. PSG

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    There's porn on the internet?
    Get the **** outta here!
     
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  28. MrClean

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    Yeah, I know, big surprise huh?
    what will they think of next?
     
  29. Ozzy

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    live webcam sex is my guess
     
  30. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Probably 2 girls pooping in a cup...
     
  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Oh he'll yeah, we can put some tight ends in that list if you want.
     
  32. MrClean

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    The last thing I'd ever waste money on. Different strokes for different folks though. No pun intended.
     
  33. VanDolPhan

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    Jesus Christ are we still pissing up a tree about Marshall. The guy was traded for quite a few reasons least of which was production.

    A) He's marginalized in a west coast based offense which will lead to him acting like the spoiled bi-polar pain in the arse that he is when he isn't getting the ball as much.
    B) He's poison to a young QB
    C) He's a ticking time bomb who will probably miss time with a suspension this year and be a very likely candidate for a future 1 year suspension (maybe as soon as this season or next the way he's going).

    This offense is going to be remade not only this year but probably next also. It's not a 1 year deal.
     
  34. PSG

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    Are talking about live cams or girls pooping in a cup?:tongue2:
     
  35. MrClean

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    Either one.
     
  36. phinnhedd

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  37. Ozzy

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    One of my X's actually made a killing doing it but yeah, I would not spend a penny on it.
     
  38. BlameItOnTheHenne

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    Good thread, would read again.
     
  39. Alex44

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    Welker? Welker is a system player who barely cracks 750 yards anywhere but NE.

    You also have rookies on that list. It's ridiculous. Circumstance can dictate stats. Marshall is more talented than most of that list.
     
  40. Nappy Roots

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    Im not going to touch the Welker thing, which I highly disagree with. But I dont think anyone is arguing Marshall isnt a top 5 WR in a talent stand point. Problem is, with him there are so many factors that keep him from being a top 5 player. If its not one thing, its the next. Just talking on field only. Then you factor in the off field stuff, and it just becomes to much. New coaching staff could of had their lives and careers, whether they lived or died, in one players hands, Marshall. And they didnt want that and neither did Ireland. And I respect it.

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