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what are the expectatons for this next season ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Aquafin, Apr 30, 2012.

  1. Ozzy

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    I seriously laugh everytime you say average then type 6 Td's and 1200 yards!


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  2. Ozzy

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    Whats being said is he is average. Might as well say he sucks because both are wrong
     
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  3. dsteve

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    If being a top ten WR in the NFL makes you average than i guess it really is true, you don't need above average WRs to win in the nfl. Some of you people are a joke.
     
  4. Ozzy

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    Dude, do you always have to included the ridicule in your posts? You make a point but in almost every post you just cannot resist saying such n such is a joke or your argument is stupid. I could give a damn if you don't want to make any friends here but you should show more respect than you do.

    I mean if you keep doing this you might as well not post because people will see your username and just skip it every single time. Unless of course you like typing to yourself?

    I'm not trying to pick on you or be a dick to you either. I'm trying to figure out why you do it?
     
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  5. Fin D

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    Yards: 10th = Above Average
    TDs: 33rd = Below Average
    YPG: 13th = Average
    YAC: 47th = Below Average

    How the hell do you define average if not that?
     
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  6. Fin D

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    No, his production here was average.

    He was above average in Denver. He'll probably be above average in Chicago. He was average here.
     
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  7. dsteve

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    The other guy is a troll. He knows what he is saying is wrong and stupid. he is either just trying to get a rise out of people or hates marshell for whatever reason. It's the same stupid "marshell sucks" nonsense that continues no matter how many different ways you disprove him. It derails numerous threads and is a constant annoyance. I honestly don't care what some random person on a message board thinks and if you're that offended by me calling someone a joke then I don't know what to tell you but oh well don't read what I say.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What is being said is that he is replaceable. Plus with the headaches that come along with him.

    It might be crazy to say that Miami's current system doesn't need a #1 receiver, however it doesn't need a receiver with behavioral problems that the best way to keep him happy is feed him the ball, when the production that comes from feeding him the ball hasn't been elite.

    With Marshall as dsteve pointed
    Without Marshall, hartline and bess went for 107 receptions, 1264 yards and 5 touchdowns. That is with Chad Henne as quarterback for most of the season and Hartline being a rookie.

    Someone made a very insightful post that showed when Marshall became a Dolphin that Miami's offense became worse at scoring.

    Marshall is talented, a good receiver, can dominate the game, however one thing he didn't do was make the Dolphins offense better.
     
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  9. dsteve

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    1,200 yards and 81 receptions is not average when your next closest 2 WRs on your team don't mather those numbers. You ***** about tds...hartline and bess only had 4 combined. Go watch the video in the thread i posted a couple days back. If you think that's "average" skill level then name me TEN wrs that are better than marshell.
     
  10. djphinfan

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    There are 10 other receivers that I would swap out with Marshall in a heartbeat, and a couple of rookies, and that's because there are more ways to win in this league besides having a WR skillset like that specific one..Marshall is not elite, there are flaws in his game...lack of speed, really slow actually,and very inconsistent hands,being two of them on the field..
     
  11. dsteve

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    there are other factors in the reason why the dolphins offense sucks more now than before. One being no right side of an the oline and the other being Matt Moore instead of Henne at quarterback. Is marshell replaceable? of course he is. have they replaced him? not even close. You leave this team as is on offense at wr and you're looking at one of the lowest scoring offenses in history. Our only hope is gates sees the field and does well, hartline has a break out year and atleast one of these late drafted WRs is service-able. The first two might happen but not to the degree that makes us decent at WR. The third...well I doubt it but we'll see.
     
  12. Fin D

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    I'm far from a troll. In fact, you're being trollish.

    I'm backing up my posts with facts, you're backing up yours with a full diaper.

    Last year: Brandon Marshall = Hakeem Nicks (the Giants #2) Wait no that isn't true, Nicks had one more TD and 20 less yards. Our #1 has produced like the Giants #2.
     
  13. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    There were also factors pre-Marshall. One factor was they had a worse receiver corp than this one. Still was able to out produce an offense with a huge talent like Marshall.

    Miami had Tedd Ginn, Greg Camarillo, Brian Hartline(rookie), and Davone Bess. The tight ends were Joey Hanos and Fasano. They had a conservative Dan Henning as their offensive coordinator. Not only did they not have the lowest points per game in the league, let alone history, they had 2 more points per game the first season with Marshall and 3 points per game the second season with Marshall.
     
  14. Ozzy

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    I define it as Chad Henne, and Matt Moore.
     
  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    He said "average production".

    Also if you like Marshall so much, why haven't you spelled his name right?
     
  16. dsteve

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    so name the wrs that have more of an impact than marshell? Marshell isn't slow either and he's pretty nasty after the catch. Inconsistent hand I'll give you. The most comparable player to marshell as far as skills is TO.

    Here I'll start your list.

    1. Calvin Johnson
    2. Andre Johnson
    3. Fitz
    4. Greg Jennings

    So who are the other 6
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    AJ Green, Julio Jones, Victor Cruz, Hakeem Nicks, Justin Blackmon, Mike Wallace off of the top of my head, I would take over Marshall.

    Consistent hands are kind of important.
     
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  18. Fin D

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    The hell it isn't.
    1200 yrds for 81 catches gives Marshall a 15 YPC. That ranks him in the bottom half of receivers with a minimum of 60 catches.
     
  19. dsteve

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    lol who the **** cares how you spell his name? You know what I mean don't you? I'm not saying I liked him or even disapprove of him being dumped but to say we don't have to worry about replacing him is stupid. To have "average" production in the enviroment that marshall was in must mean he has pretty elite skills because our team was trash last year, especially on offense.
     
  20. Ozzy

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    I dont buy into Marshall being her led to less scoring and yes, there are some there are some saying he is average and needed to be replaced.

    I don't mind replacing him but Hartline and Bess are not the ones I want doing it. It does not have to be an elite Wr like Marshall either. I want Bess staying in the slot, and Hartline working his way to being a solid 2....
     
  21. Fin D

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    Even on YAC?
     
  22. djphinfan

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    I already did that in another thread when you asked the same question..

    Is our offense gonna be as dangerous without Marshall, no, is he that good where he carried our offense and required constant double teams and rollover action, I don't believe he did..I don't think any safeties in the league were afraid of Brandon Marshall getting behind then, and to me if you wanna be dynamic, and affect the game with your presence, your skillset better threaten all parts of the football field, I don't believe his did..
     
  23. dsteve

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    calvin johnson played out of his mind last year and average 17ypc. his average for his career is 16 ypc. last year marshall averaged 15 ypc. 15 ypc is pretty good. again you have no idea what you're talking about and Im convinced you are a troll.
     
  24. Ozzy

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    I'm not offended by you. I'm just telling you that you should try another approach. The people you are saying these things to have been here a long time, and are far from trolls. I like arguing with them as much as agreeing with them. You, I have trouble reading because even though you might make a decent point towards your side of things, you either begin or end with an insult.
     
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    yac has to do with qbs as well. underthrown balls mean less yac. are you honestly going to say marshall is no good after the catch as well? lol
     
  26. Fin D

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    Based on production last year:

    Megatron, Welker, Cruz, Fitz, Smith, White, Nelson, Wallace, Nicks, Colston, Jackson, Green, Washington, Johnson all had either more or comparable yards and more TDs. Hell there were 2 TE Gronk & Graham that smoked him in yards and TDs.

    That's 14 total players who were better at WR than Marshall last year and 2 TEs]\ who were better. That puts Marshall in the 15th spot. That's right about the definition of average in a 32 team league.
     
  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I didn't say that Marshall led to less scoring. However Marshall didn't lead to more scoring. It did lead to more trying to force him the ball and him not stepping up.

    If Miami can have a good passing offense with Camarillo, Martin, Fasano, Ginn Jr, and Bess, they can have one with their current crop of receivers.
     
  28. Ozzy

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    What did you say his YAC percentage was again?
     
  29. Ozzy

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    I read that you said someone posted that he led to less scoring.

    And if you make that Marshall, Martin, Fasano, Ginn Jr. and Bess is would be pretty darn good...
     
  30. dsteve

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    I honeslty don't care how long someone has been here. if they say something stupid, I'm gonna call it stupid. if someone is a homer, Ill call them a homer. If i say something you think is stupid then by all means, say it's stupid. If you don't want to read what I post, then don't read it.

    Things I've recently called stupid;

    1. We have better wrs because they got rid of marshall
    2. We shouldn't worry about O-line because they don't score touchdowns (padre31)
    3. anything the23rd has said
     
  31. djphinfan

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    I'll throw in Dez Bryant and Mike Floyd...and Wes Welker, and Steve Smith, and very close to throwing Jordy Nelson in there as well.
     
  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The last two years showed he wasn't much help at improving it.

    On paper, sure. When they are on the field, it hasn't shown.
     
  33. Fin D

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    Bottom half of the league. Not my fault. Not my spin. Just fact. Johnson is in the top half in YAC and everything else. Marshall wasn't.
     
  34. dsteve

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    so no accounting for the teams those players were on huh? their skill sets are all superior to marshalls? You can't keep flipping it to production. There's a reason marshall was in the pro bowl last year and I'd be willing to bet hes in the top ten for wrs on the nfl networks 100 best players of 2011.
     
  35. Ozzy

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    No, I asked what his average was. Not where you see him ranked.
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I will take the receiver with the better production over the better skills every time.
     
  37. Ozzy

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    Go ahead and throw one of them in because minus Marshall, the Dolphins sure could use one...
     
  38. dsteve

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    I didn't say just name WRs in the nfl, they actually have to be better. lol I'm done with this debate if you're really gonna try and tell me jordy nelson mike floyd and wes welker have a better skill set than marshall.
     
  39. Fin D

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    YAC: 47th (319 yrds)

    Again, he'll probably tear it up in Chicago. He didn't here and he probably wasn't going to in Philbin's offense. Also, i refuse to consider a #1 WRT as anything other than average if his best year here was worse than Chambers best year and also worse than another team's #2 WR.
     
  40. dsteve

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    lol marshell on a team like New England wouldn't have better production than marshall in miami?
     

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