RG3 the bigger reach?

An honest question for my fellow dolphin fans; What team would you rather be right now, the washington redskins or the miami dolphins? Both teams have been horrible at quarterback for a long time. The redskins got aggressive and traded 2 first rounds picks for RG3 while we sat back and went with tannehill. "Experts" say Tannehill was a reach at the 8 pick but I've been watching a lot of game film and honestly am falling in love with what I see from Tannehill. To give myself something to compare to I've started watching more andrew luck, RG3 and brandon weeden games, expecting the first two to totally blow me away. Andrew Luck most certainly did that. Some of the things he does as a quarterback you don't even see from NFL players. Moving defenders with his eyes, the throws he can make....He's a clear cut best prospect since Peyton plus the dude can move. The experts got it totally right. With weeden I saw prob the best arm talent but the offense he ran in college coupled with him being the least athletic and oldest of the 4 makes me question how he will translate. The browns didn't spend all that much on him, just one late first round pick. As far as him being the most NFL ready, well I think that title still falls to Luck.


Now as for RG3 and the price the redskins payed, I really think he was the biggest reach of them all. First I'll state the obvious posititves for RG3. His arm is amazing. The dude can certainly throw the rock and people could prob make the argument he has the best deep ball. I think Luck wins out in every category but wouldn't dispute someone having a different opinion on this aspect. I attribute alot of his pretty deep balls to having a track team as his WR corp. He can throw very well on the run. He also seems like a great kid (I wonder how fast the media will hate him for taking a knee, blessing himself and pointing to the sky after big plays) with good work ethic and an overall positive personality.

The negatives. Of the 4 qbs taken in the first round I feel like the offense he ran in college is the least like a pro offense. Stanford obviously is number 1 in terms of NFL offense look-a-likes. Weeden rarely huddled and did everything from the shotgun and I only knock Tannehills offense behind stanford because they ran alot more zone read options and bubble screens. While that may be a part of a lot of NFL offenses, hell look at denver last year, I still feel like Luck had the most NFL like responsibility . RG3s offense seems to rely heavily on the bubble screens. They run the most option plays of the three and I rarely see the type of progressions Luck, Tannehill and Weeden did on their respective teams. I also noticed Baylor as a team was just faster at the skill positions than the other three teams which pads stats for RG3 because of ridiculous RAC yards. Point is I don't think he's as NFL ready as scouts say, especially not Luck and maybe not even Tannehill and to a lesser degree weeden.

All of those negatives are a product of his surroundings. The thing that has me most concerned about RG3 as an NFL player is his pocket awareness. Some plays he just seems lost IMO. Instead of sliding up to avoid pressure he goes into scramble mode. His athletic ability allows for him to make plays when that pressure comes but he doesn't seem to have the same kind of poise I see from tannehill and especially luck. He also has happy feet in the pocket. Even on plays with no pressure everything about him look frantic. I've also said how fast he is and obviously he's the fastest but between Luck and Tannehill he's the worst football runner. I think based on his pure speed he'll be a weapon in this aspect just not as much as people think.

In summary I think this quarterback class has a good chance to have all these kids be solid if not great NFL quarterbacks but I honestly feel like RG3 has the highest bust potential once you factor in what the redskins payed for him. I think Tannehill will end up being an answer for us at QB but if he's not, it only cost us 1 pick. If Tannehill doesn't do well we can still build other positions with the first round and second round picks we still have. If RG3 ends up busting the redskins will be worse off because they lack the ability to draft talent for two years unless they hit on lower picks. I used to wonder why we didn't throw our names in for the trade up but now I'm glad after doing more "scouting" of RG3 on my own instead of just swallowing the media hype. Andrew Luck would be the only guy I'd sell out my draft for but the colts were not selling.

 

Cam Newton and his success or failure have nothing to do with RG3 and what he ends up doing. I didn't really watch Newton in college because I knew we weren't drafting a QB so I can't compare him to RG3 in terms of what they did in college.

The pocket awareness could very well be a result of poor coaching and a gimmicky offense he ran college. It just seems to me like the media hype train swept RG3 into pick 1.B status behind the clear cut number 1 andrew luck and I don't buy it. I like you have no faith in the redskins head coach but his son might be someone to watch. He def got a lot of production out of the trash he had at quarterback. They're prob one of the only teams besides the seahawks who I saw as worse off at the qb position than we are. Since I didn't see much of a progression offense from baylor and I would think that a KISS approach to what RG3 has to do with the redskins as rookie starter would be best. Establish the run, maybe have the kid throwing 20-25 times a game while giving him simple plays to read the progression and then maybe make an improvised play if nothing is there.

The idea of RG3 being a bust compared to Tannehill factors largely on what the redskins gave up for him. I don't understand the "experts" saying rg3 is more NFL ready since his offense in college was based on his team being faster than their opponent. that won't fly in the NFL because everybody is fast. A team like A&M ran timing routes, throwing wrs open especially on deep outs and comebacks. Those are the throws you want to see from an NFL prospect in my opinion. Sure RG3 can make those throws if asked to based on his arm but baylor rarley asked him to.

 

Physical attributes aren't always the deciding factor in what makes a great NFL qb. Look at Drew Brees, Chad Pennington, Tom Brady etc etc etc. All three had knocks for the physical talent. RG3 can make all the throws but will he learn to settle in the pocket, go through progressions and be smart with the football. Baylor was a high octane offense full of speed at a level that was elite compared to what they played against. Coming into the NFL on a not so good team and with limited experience dealing with NFL concepts in comparison to his peers I would happy trading my future for one player. The only postive in what the skins gave up was the rookie pay scale that keeps them from being in cap hell as well as losing the picks if he doesn't work out. I'm not saying RG3 will bust, I'm simply saying he's the higher risk when compared to what we paid for Tannehill and what the skins paid for RG3. I'd rather be miami and I often don't say that when it comes to front office moves.

 

The point is that the stakes are higher when you give up 2 first round picks and whatever seconds they gave up. Basically you're saying RG3 IS the guy and he WILL perform at a pro bowl level for years to come. Drafting Tannehill at 8, after all the supposed can't miss guys are gone and without giving up picks you're saying he might be the answer, we'll invest 3-4 years in him while we build the rest of our team. Again, I'm actually glad to be on the dolphins side of a front office move for once in a long while.

 

I don't know about having him behind weeden. Just as many question marks IMO. To me Luck is in a class all by himself then you have everybody else. Would I take RG3 over Tannehill? Maybe but I certainly wouldn't give up 2 firsts and all the other picks the redskins gave up. I think it should be a rare even when a team gives up that many picks for one guy. Manning and Luck are two that come to mind that I wouldn't even think twice for but would I have done what the giants did for Eli Manning? No, prob not when I could have had Phillip Rivers instead plus the 2 first rounders. Who knows how good the giants would be with Rivers, a pro bowl level quarterback. Sure the giants ended up winning super bowls but the first on the power of their D line and the second in a year they went 8-8 in the regular season. If someone takes issue with this point I'll go back and look at the draft picks they gave up and what they could have gotten. Look how bad the Chargers raped the falcons. The Chargers go LT, a HOF rb, and Drew Brees while the falcons got an overrated player who's best season wasn't even with them.

In the end it's a team game. You shouldnt give up so much for one player unless the guy is a can't miss HoFer like a manning and in my bold opinion a luck. I just don't have that kind of expectation for RG3 and that is evident by the thoughts I expressed in the OP being echoed by not just posters on this board but "experts" as well.

 

hope/wish in one hand and **** in the other. let me know which one fills up first. just saying.


following that logic we should have drafted Quinn or Matt Ryan, neither of which has lived up to their respective hype.

 

disagree completely. He's def got a very live arm for short passes. The long passes look good IMO because he's got WRs that can actually run behind safties where as Tanny did not. Luck is just beast.

 

There we go! Someone else gets my point! I do disagree the colts gave up a lot for luck. Manning at best has 3-4 years left. The colts don't have the talent for manning to take them anywhere. No defense, an old offense at skill positions etc. By the time the colts are good enough to win anything and not just be a one and done playoff team, manning will be way too old to play on top of the fact Manning might not stay healthy. What the colts did is the absolute right move, no question about it.

 

From a football stand point marinos IQ was very high on top of having a laser rocket arm and the quickest release ever coupled with his ability to avoid pressure despite lacking the ability to even walk without a limp. Pocket awareness or a lack there of is one of the things I think is most important to a rookie qb. The speed of the game will expose this problem if it's there and with RG3 I think it is. Will he adjust? I hope so. I'm just glad we didnt spend our future to find out.

 

I never really thought of vick as inaccurate but more along the lines of he doesn't know where to go with the ball. RG3 might have the more accurate arm but vick def has more arm power. I don't think they're comparable in terms of the type of quarterback they will be. If they were coming out at the same time I'd prob still rate vick over RG3 but in hindsight I think RG3 does better than Vick. Please note I think vick was a bust for the team that drafted him and is about average, middle fo the pack for NFL production. Remember how much the falcons gave up for him as this factors into the bust factor, the same way I'm saying all the picks giving up for RG3 factor in.


I say for RG3 to be worth that many picks the redskins would have to be an NFC power house and on track to be super bowl contenders for RG3s career.

 

Ha, let's not get crazy. Of course I'd like for Tannehill to be better than Luck but lets be honest, with Luck we're prob talking about the next era of great quarterback play. What I mean by this is that now we talk about Brady, Manning etc. This next era will be Rodgers, Eli, Luck and who ever else emerges.

 

3-4 years woould be good for a team only a quaterback away from a super bowl. the colts however are the worst team in the league and basically had a ZERO percent chance of getting another super bowl win even with manning. I think manning is better than Marino so I def don't under value him I just see what the colts did as the right football move for their team.

 

define football IQ.

 

the point is that it's ZERO gamble because they couldnt rebuild enough in time to get to a super bowl with manning. them trying to gamble on mannings window and squeeze in another super bowl would have been the bigger risk.