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RG3 the bigger reach?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dsteve, May 3, 2012.

  1. Larry Little

    Larry Little Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well... I personally wouldn't compare him to Young. RGIII is a lot more mature and is definitely a better passer than Young was when he came out of Texas.

    I question RGIII's presence in the pocket, his accuracy, his reads, his anticipation, and his timing. Those are things that you might find flashes of on tape, but I never saw him do any of that at a high level, consistently, to make me convinced that he would be able to beat NFL defenses. That's the trouble with great athletes in college football... it's so easy to get fooled. They look like game-changers. Then they go to the NFL, which is filled with great athletes. Suddenly, those players can't simply rely on their athleticism anymore. They have to rely on their abilities as great football players.

    I'm just not convinced RGIII is a great pro football player. I'm not convinced he's a great pro quarterback. I'm not saying he can't or won't do it... I'm just sayin'...
     
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  2. Ohio Fanatic

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    I only saw about a game and a half with RGIII, so just not enough to fully scrutinize the guy. But I just didn't see presence I needed to see to trade up to get him. I would have been okay trading down to get him, but not up. He will be fun to watch..
     
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  3. rafael

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    Of the four top QBs, RG3 is the one I can most easily see not making it. Now I still like his odds. I would still rate him as one of the better prospects over the last five years, but I also see more bust potential in him. As I said awhile back, I would take Tanny before RG3.
     
  4. JMHPhin

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    RGIII is the real deal. IMO. Yes he has things to learn, but listen to him, he ha sthe acumen and the willingness and desire to learn. He is a leader, dont underestimate that.


    Now I love Tannehill and think he is a great pick, his ceiling is as high as anyone not named Luck, and it isnt miles behind luck either. He just has to be brougtht along correctly, groomed to understand that he cant force balls and maske better decisions.
     
  5. dsteve

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    It is what it is? Agree 100%
     
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  6. dsteve

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    I'm just glad we were put in the situation we were in and didn't give our FO the option to pick rg3 over tannehill. No homer but I really have more confidence in tannehill compared to rg3. If I had the number two pick as a dolphin gm I would have traded down no lower than 8 or I would have taken richardson/blackmon if i couldnt move.
     
  7. rafael

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    If I had had the #2 pick I would have tried trade up the one spot for Luck, done the first Rams deal to move down and taken Tannehill or at worst just taken Tannehill where I was. And personally, I don't think I can be accused of being a homer on this issue since I expressed the same opinions about RG3 and Tannehill during the season when neither was more likely than the other to end up being the Miami QB (back when I and most assumed Barkley was our #1 target). Since then, my confidence in Tannehill has risen as I did more study before the draft, but there were always aspects of RG3's game that I felt (and continue to feel) presented considerable evaluation risk. I think I'm generally more risk averse in the first round so that evaluation risk on RG3 had me cooler on him than many. I feel the hype around him (and how fun he was to watch in college) has made many ignore the downside risk and how little of what he did will translate to the NFL game. But who knows, I've been saying for awhile now that the changes always travel from college to the pros, so maybe RG3 will accelerate that and more of his college game will translate than I envision.
     
  8. dsteve

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    its hard to say what we would have done. I wonder if indy would have budged off the number 1 spot to move down to 2?
     
  9. dsteve

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    btw, what you said is ballsy. I feel the same way but I don't know if I would ever make that move picking tannehill at 2 over the blue chips and RG3
     
  10. Da 'Fins

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    What impresses me about RGIII is his intelligence.

    It does amaze me that people compare him to Cam Newton. Newton is 6'5 and goes around 260. He is not only superbly fast (arguably the best athlete in last year's draft) he's a block of granite and can take hits better than others (like Big Ben). Not that he can't get injured on any given play. RG III is likely more elusive and so he can avoid the hits; but look at Mike Vick - arguably the most elusive runner (at RB, WR or QB) in the NFL in the past decade + .... yet he has been hurt a good bit. I wonder if RG III will hold up to the hits when they come - especially in the open field if he tries to do too much.

    But, QBs are notoriously difficult to rank. Ryan Leaf goes #2 (Akili Smith #3) in the entire draft. Tom Brady - 6th round.

    My concern is not so much with Tannehill's athleticism - but his decision-making. The instinctiveness necessary to make good decisions with the ball. That's always the most difficult feature to measure - but has to be examined. And, the jury is clearly out on RT. He threw too many INT's. Unless he's Dan Marino, putting up 40 TD's, he's going to have to change that. Of course, the WCO is a bit of a safer system with short passes (but, he did the other in a similar offense). Will be interesting.
     
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  11. rafael

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    Who knows? It's always easier to be ballsy when I'm just speculating on what I would have done rather than having to actually do it. LOL But I tend to be confident in my opinions (some would call it stubborn) so i think I would have. There would probably be some banner flying over the stadium with some version of "fire rafael".
     
  12. rafael

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    I worry about RG3's ability to hold up to the hits as well. I don't agree that he's all that elusive. I'm not sure I'd even say he's more elusive than Newton. RG3 has incredible straight line speed, but not much wiggle. I think RG3 is big enough, but I think he has a tendency to take more hits than he should due to his poor pocket awareness. That's why I think he's been hurt as much as he has.

    As for the decision making, I'm more worried about RG3's decisions than Tannehill's simply b/c I got to see Tannehill make more NFL type decisions. He threw too many interceptions, but IMO they weren't primarily due to poor decision making. I thought most of those were the result of over-aggressiveness and receiver error. I would say those two categories account for more than half of his INTs. I see Tannehill as a good decision maker already. That was what Philbin was saying about Tannehill in that King article. Now, I thought RG3 was a great college decision maker, but he wasn't in an offense that made him make NFL type decisions very often. He had much simpler reads and speed players that were far more open. If I was to come up with a loose analogy, it would be like a person who had proven themselves to be a great decision maker as a lawyer, but was now going to be asked to make decisions as a surgeon. The guy might succeed b/c he's smart and had a logical mind that knew how to succeed, but you're still asking him to do something you really hadn't seen him do before. Maybe those fields are too different and the analogy would work better with more similar jobs, but I'm not sure how similar Baylor's offense is to anything we've seen in the NFL.
     

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