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The Official 2012 Boston Red Sox Thread

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Ray Finkle, Feb 17, 2012.

  1. finyank13

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  2. Ray Finkle

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  3. finyank13

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    I dont remember that, I was drunk....so it didnt happen...
     
  4. finyank13

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  5. Ray Finkle

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    You mean the YES Network, right?
     
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  6. finyank13

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    Some drama in Fenway last night......Maddon ripped the Sox, tell ya the truth though Scott had to know it was coming after the comments he made in ST.......

    Oh and the Sox fans went David Duke on Upton apparently......go figure....

    http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/mlb/recap.asp?g=320525102
     
  7. Ray Finkle

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    Good to know that Maddon would never order one of his pitchers throw at hitter.... Although I realize he has to stand up for his players and all but really he's going to go on Twitter to complain about it too?

    I doubt Scott was thrown at because of his comments in ST, I just think he was the "lucky one" to be coming to the plate with 2 outs in the 9th. If it was Elliot Johnson or Drew Sutton they probably would have gotten a fastball in the leg. Apparently the Sox weren't happy with Pedroia being thrown at in the 6th.

    As for Upton, unless a fan threw something at him he should have just put his head down and went into the dugout. Really you're going to yell and scream at a fan? And I'm sure the fan was 100% in the wrong and probably said pretty bad things but as a pro you need to ignore those things.

    One thing I'm shocked about is that neither Morales or Scott were thrown out of the game. I mean it was obvious Morales was trying to hit Scott. It was shocking. I will say at least he hit him below the hips, he wasn't dumb enough to throw at his head or anything like that.

    The rest of the weekend should be interesting, you wonder if the Rays will strike back or not. Hopefully everyone just plays baseball.
     
  8. Nappy Roots

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    The fan did throw something at BJ....
     
  9. Ray Finkle

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    Yeah? I read a few reports nothing was said about anything being thrown at him but I wouldn't doubt it.
     
  10. Nappy Roots

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    I am going by what Mark Tomkin a TB writer tweeted live when it happen. Obviously couldn't tell from live broadcast.

    Also, I highly highly doubt Pedroia was hit on purpose. My first reactions was it was on purpose, because first base open, 2-0 count...but Ortiz on deck. Maddon doesn't operate that way, and if Bradenhop did it himself, hes an idiot to put another guy on with a left handed Ortiz on deck when he had to know he wouldnt face him.

    I don't know...The whole thing is lame honestly. I consider myself a old school type of baseball guy. If your going to throw at him, fine. If it was because of comments, fine. If it was because your just pissed, fine. But if you throw at him and miss him...move on. I really dislike throwing at him 3 times. Its childish in my opinion.
     
  11. Ray Finkle

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    I don't disagree with any of this. I didn't see the Pedroia HBP live so I couldn't really comment on whether I thought it was on purpose or not. But the Scott HBP was just stupid. What's the point? Especially after you miss him with the first pitch. You sent your message, move on.

    I have a crazy idea though, instead of worrying about bean ball wars how about the Red Sox try to win baseball games. I know, it sounds insane....
     
  12. BigDogsHunt

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    hit em in da muscle....hit em in da muscle...
     
  13. finyank13

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    Um am I wrong for hoping it happens again, and a brawl on the field AND one braks out at Cask N' Flagon at that sametime?? :shifty:
     
  14. GreenMonster

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    Haven't got to see to much of Middlebrooks but so far so good. If he learns some plate discipline he will be a good hitter for a long time.
     
  15. BigDogsHunt

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    Robots, Robots, Robots........horrible non-tip, non-dirt, should have been strike three end of inning call...and no one in the park, aside from TV replays saw it???? Wow, Beantown boys escape with W.....horrible umps.
     
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    That bad huh, I haven't seen the replay but even game recaps say it was a giant miss. I still feel good about the win.
     
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  17. Ray Finkle

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    Hey I'll take that W. It evens out though the umps probably cost the Sox at least 2 games this year off the top of my head. They were due.
     
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  18. finyank13

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    Whats the word on Pedoria? I havent seen anything yet...
     
  19. Ray Finkle

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    Jammed thumb, may or may not play tonight. Doesn't sound like it's a major injury.
     
  20. BigDogsHunt

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    The Red Sox are next in MLBTR’s 2013 Contract Issues series:

    Eligible For Free Agency (9)

    • David Ortiz - Ortiz's desire for a multiyear deal is no secret, but the Red Sox may prefer to go year to year with the 36-year-old. They could make a qualifying offer after the season and assure themselves of draft pick compensation if Ortiz leaves. The $12-13MM salary that comes with a qualifying offer would represent a pay decrease for Ortiz, who earns $14.58MM this year.
    • Daisuke Matsuzaka - The Red Sox expect Matsuzaka to return from Tommy John surgery this summer. His next contract will depend on how he pitches upon his return.
    • Marlon Byrd - The Red Sox brought the 34-year-old in after injuries depleted their depth, but their need for outfield help won't necessarily exist next offseason.
    • Bobby Jenks - Jenks has appeared in just 19 games since signing a two-year, $12MM contract two winters ago. There's not much reason to expect the Red Sox to offer him a guaranteed roster spot again.
    • Cody Ross - Ross has eight homers and an .883 OPS, so he's setting himself up for a starting role and a Major League contract in 2013.
    • Aaron Cook - Cook started one game for the Red Sox before the team placed him on the 15-day disabled list. At this point he's on track for another minor league deal.
    • Kelly Shoppach - Shoppach may be expendable given the presence of Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Ryan Lavarnway.
    • Vicente Padilla - Padilla, who has more strikeouts than innings pitched, figures to sign a one-year or minor league deal next offseason.
    • Scott Podsednik - Podsednik and Byrd are in similar situations. They're contributing now with the knowledge that the Red Sox have a pair of star outfielders on the disabled list.

    Contract Options (1)


    • Kevin Youkilis: $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout. Youkilis could be traded midseason now that Will Middlebrooks has emerged as an option for the big league team. But if he stays put and matches his career .878 OPS for the remainder of the season, the Red Sox could exercise the option.

    Arbitration Eligible (14)



    The Red Sox face a large arbitration class that includes many of the team's key players. Ellsbury and Bailey have been sidelined with injuries, so their raises will be modest. Others, such as Saltalamacchia, are on track for more substantial salary jumps. There's a good chance Tazawa will fall short of the service time requirements for eligibility at the end of the season and some players -- Repko, for example -- could be non-tendered.

    2013 Payroll Obligation

    The Red Sox have committed approximately $108MM to next year's payroll, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts. They are barely under the $178MM luxury tax threshold this year, and if they aim to avoid it again next year, GM Ben Cherington will have less than $70MM at his disposal this coming offseason.
     
  21. finyank13

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  22. finyank13

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    I would be amazed that Ortiz settles for a one year deal....I would think he would be able to land a multi year pact no?
     
  23. Ray Finkle

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    Ortiz might not have a choice or say in the matter. Ortiz makes 14.5 million this year, next offseason he's going to turn 37 years old. Post PED Era, what AL team do you think would be dumb enough to offer Ortiz (a DH) a mult-year deal? His best bet is to go year by year with the Red Sox and collect 14 to 16 million per year. The Sox aren't rushing, nor should they rush to lock him up long term. What they did last off season is what they should do this offseason until Ortiz proves he can't produce. Offer Ortiz arbitration and let him be the one to accept or reject it. If he was a FA, I don't think he'd even get a 1 year deal higher than what he'd get from Boston. The money just isn't there for DH only players, especially ones on the wrong side of 35.
     
  24. Ray Finkle

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    There is a rumor that Pedroia could possibly miss a month due to his thumb. If true you can read the story about me lighting myself on fire in tomorrow's newspaper.....
     
  25. finyank13

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    Ortiz defies conventional DH wisdom though.....I gotta say the guy has been pretty legit, and I thought he was done a few years ago when Manny left....

    Some team would give him 2 years.....now the question is what money? 15-16 no way....

    But I also see the Sox lowballing him as well......is there something that says a team can only offer arbitration so many times to one player? Or you think it is a big dog and pony show...because he (Ortiz) will say about how he isnt feeling the arbitration process, but then accepts to do it every year...
     
  26. finyank13

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    Welcome to the season of never-ending injuries....

    and dude cool it on the fire will ya....the first time I see you shouldnt be as a crispy critter....and certainly DONT do it in Rhode Island in between the times of 10pm-6am.....deal?
     
  27. Ray Finkle

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    Even so he'll still be 37 years old when the season starts. Not many guys pre or post PED Era perform at a high level that old.

    Which AL team would give him 2 years though? And for 30 plus million too? Name some realistic teams that have the funds and the roster spot open for him. It's less than you think, I can only come up with 2 other teams besides the Sox and those 2 teams it still wouldn't make sense to sign him to a multi-year deal. And I don't see him leaving the Sox to take the highest dollar if the offers are close to each other.

    And no there's no rule about how many times a player can be offered arbitration. The thing is the Sox can't low ball him in arbitration, I believe he can't be offered less than 10% of his last year's salary, therefore the best the Sox can get Ortiz for via arbitration process would be 13.05 million and that's if the guy has a bad year. The Sox would probably give him 15 million for 2013. And yes there will be a dog and pony show because Ortiz and his agent know a 37 year old DH isn't going to get a multi-year deal. If he couldn't get one this year, he's not getting one next year.
     
  28. Ray Finkle

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    I think I said it before the season started and if not maybe a week or two after it did but the winner of the AL East is going to be the team with the least amount of injuries. I thought it was sad watching a Triple A OF play the past 2 weeks but having Pedroia out too is going to be crushing to the team in terms of offense, defense and leadership.
     
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    15M no way, talking like 10-12.5M on a multiple year deal....Ortiz wouldn't want to go that low I get that...so he will probably just re-up with the Sox again....

    But things happen, who knows what happens at the end of this year with Ortiz and the Sox, maybe the Sox want to go in a different direction and cant trade Youk, and use Middlebrooks/Youk as the DH...

    I am not sure about other teams DH situation, but again I think there has to be a few teams....Tampa wouldnt be one?.....

    Man.....Tampa and him would look good...they need a guy like him in that lineup...
     
  30. Nappy Roots

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    Tampa would be a perfect fit if he wants to sign for 2 year 15 mil. Which he won't do. Tampa is not in the business of bad contracts, multi year 10+ has massive potential to be that. Not only that, with TBs attendance still very low, I highly doubt you will see a hike in payroll.
     
  31. Ray Finkle

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    Again I don't think there's a team in the MLB that's going to sign a 37 year old DH to a multi-year deal. That's why I think he'll end up with the Red Sox if they want him simply because if the money is similar he'll go back to the Sox.

    I was thinking Toronto and/or Baltimore as teams that have the money and a DH spot free that could potentially sign Ortiz. I doubt Ortiz would sign a mult-year deal for less than 11 to 12 million per year. It just wouldn't make sense for him, he'd be better off going back to the Sox for 15 million or so with hopes he puts up a big 2013 and collect another 15 million.
     
  32. finyank13

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    so anybody talk to Fink? Fink? Finkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk???? lol in all reality it doesnt sound that bad, what is more concerning is that the guy plays like a madman and it could linger....

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  33. Ray Finkle

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    I'm more concerned about having to watch Nick Punto play everyday for awhile as it doesn't sound like if Pedroia goes to the DL the Sox would move Aviles to 2B and call up Iglesias to play SS.

    I like Ben Cherrington and think he's made some good moves in the offseason, but signing Punto to a 2 year deal certainly wasn't one of them.

    Don't look now but even without half of their team and a Triple A OF for almost the whole season, the Sox are 2nd in runs scored and only 3.5 games out of first place and over .500 for the first time since September 28, 2011! If they can just hang close to the pack until they get Pedroia, Ellsbury, Crawford, Ross and Bailey back (and possibly the return of Matsuzaka and Ryan Kalish) they could be a very dangerous team in the 2nd half of the season. The rest of the AL East could regret not being able to put the Sox away when they had a chance.
     
  34. finyank13

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    Thats pretty much what I have been saying all along...although Crawford is on "prove it" watch with me.....something is fishy about him....

    btw, did you see Anderson break one of the panels in the new video board last night in Pawtucket from the bomb he hit?
     
  35. Ray Finkle

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    Why is Crawford on the prove it list? Since he's been a full time starter in 2003, he's had 1 poor year. I think it's just easier to write that year off as adnormal than the normal. Plus it is possible that the wrist he had surgery on in the offseason was the cause for some of the struggles. And no I don't buy the "he can't handle the big market" stuff, it's just an easy/lazy way to try and explain why he had a bad season.

    No I didn't see the video of it, heard about it though. I will check it out soon.
     
  36. finyank13

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    he just is too me....if you don't buy it fine, but he had a bad year last year, was supposed to have routine surgery, and has had a setback....until he goes to old CC, which I am sure he will be fine....he is just a question mark....

    sometimes wrists are a very tricky thing, Mattingly found that out...

    even still if he doesnt do well, that lineup could easily absorb whatever he doesn't do...and it would have no effect on them making a deep run this year...
     
  37. Ray Finkle

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    I don't buy it, not yet anyway. He had a bad year, it happens, most likely it was due to him pressing a bit and the wrist.

    Crawford's setback had nothing to do with his wrist surgery though, it had to do with his left throwing elbow. If he didn't hurt the elbow he would have been back playing already. And yes I agree wrist injuries can be tricky but this apparently wasn't very serious, it was a similar injury Josh Reddick had last offseason and he's been fine. Of course everyone is different so we'll have to wait and see but if Crawford comes back 100% healthy there shouldn't be any reason to think he won't be the player he was before the 2011 season.
     
  38. finyank13

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    Reddick has been really good so far....
     
  39. Ray Finkle

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    Yes, SSS of course but he has been. Always been known to have 20 plus HR power, above average defense and arm. With a lot of prospects/players his main knock has always been his pitch selection and walk rates. If that improves he has a chance to be pretty good. But that walk rate could be the difference between a good player and a part timer.
     

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