Philbin CONFIRMS: Dolphins will be on HBO's Hard Knocks

And then have said coach tell the media the opposite

 

Probably not. But, keep in mind that Ross is their boss. If your boss came to you and said "I think this is a great idea that will be really good for the business", then you probably would at least try and make it work.

There are varying degrees of acceptance, and I would probably guess that Philbin's was somewhere near indifference. He could have been slightly opposed and decided to do it because he realizes that he might have to put up with something he doesn't want to simply because he's a team player.

All I"m saying is that I don't think Philbin pushed for this, and Ross was the one who was hesitant. Just doesn't make sense to me.

 

I'm inclined to believe Joe Philbin actually has a brain and his own set of balls.

I'm also inclined to believe that Ross might actually have listened to what his new coach wanted and let him do it.

 

That's fair.

 

I would like to add, for everyone of you who accused fans of "baseless whining" about the front office and the direction of this team, it seems like this franchise is taking very measured steps to address those fans' complaints. Steps that are making most of us happy.

The squeaky wheels aka fans sometimes get a little grease. Let's enjoy it.

 

here is the video from his announcement

http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d8296a538/Philbin-excited-about-Hard-Knocks

 

First, the story from Philbin contradicts this. Philbin says that Ross wanted to talk him out of this.

But my entire point is that Philbin isn't paid to worry about the team's rep. He isn't going to be fired because of the team's rep. Stephen Ross isn't going to give him a raise based on the team's rep. His job is to be the football coach.

Stephen Ross, Harvey Greene, Mike Dee, Claudia Lezcano, George Torres...those are the guys that are responsible for the team's rep. They are the ones that will be fired for it and rewarded for it.

 

Absolutely a new coaching staff is a shakeup... to the organization and the players. However, this is a very different sort of shakeup that reaches outside of just the organization. It's a nationally positive thing for a team that hasn't had a whole lot of positive things over the last few years.

 

I'm not sure how it would make Philbin be brainless or without fortitude to go along with a marketing plan devised by the the people paid to make marketing decisions in the marketing department?

You don't have to characterize it as Ross strong-arming anyone. Its more likely this was a decision made by executives that the coach was indifferent toward.

 

"Last I checked, there are going to be some cameras on Sunday."

I also noted that Philbin looks more comfortable in front of the camera.

 

A far cry from the confiscation of the training camp fan vids to say the least...

 

Agreed. I think its great for the fans and the morale of the fanbase.

 

It wouldn't be unless he walked out there and said what Ross told him to like he has his hand up Philbin's *** like a puppet, which is what your scenario is insinuating.

I just think people see this as an opportunity to go Oh that Stephen Ross is at it again doing whatever he wants while possibly embarassing his team. As you can see, a lot of the media already took that approach.

 

Which was always my feeling on the subject.

How can anything be more distracting than what football games already are?

 

I'm not sure how this is supposed to be a distraction and I think it's easy to see why Joe Philbin was able to be convinced to do this. I think it's also not that hard to imagine why he was initially opposed to it. He came from Green Bay. Andrew Brandt says that every time he approached the Green Bay decision makers, coaches and whatnot, about the possibility of Hard Knocks, he received an emphatic "NO!" I doubt that "NO!" came from the offensive coordinator, it came from the people above him. That's the environment where Philbin grew up, and it would make sense if that was his default stance on the issue without even really thinking about it or investigating it. At best what I think Steve Ross asked him to do is talk to some other people and really investigate it, think about it, rather than just having an adopted default stance against it because that was their stance in Green Bay.

Kevin Coyle was part of the Hard Knocks back in 2009 with Cincinnati, when the Bungles somehow pulled a 10-6 record out of their arse amid all those seasons of ineptitude. Seriously they were 4-11-1 the year before Hard Knocks, and 4-12 the year after...but were 10-6 the year they did Hard Knocks. Then the Jets go to the AFCCG in 2009, go on Hard Knocks in 2010, and manage to repeat that feat once again in 2010 despite having a lousy quarterback. Seriously, I'm sure someone will try and paint that as underachievement since the Jets talked big that year about winning the Super Bowl, but as we go on in this and see how sh-tty Mark Sanchez really is, how could we see that achievement as anything but dramatically overachieving?

I think just like any process, the more you do it, the more refined the process gets and the better you get at it. HBO has a lot of seasons of Hard Knocks under their belt and they're really doing a good job of it, and I think they're doing a better and better job of keeping it from being a team distraction. It may have already been mentioned but evidently Brian Billick and Rex Ryan have both talked about how Hard Knocks produced some of the better practices they've ever seen, actually having the OPPOSITE effect of what has been theorized, causing players to focus MORE because they don't want to look bad for the cameras, don't want to end up being the underachievement storyline, etc.

So really, what's the concern? That Vontae Davis is going to make an interception in practice and then jaw at the camera? That's the concern? Doubtful. Cameras are a part of every practice. All players are used to them. They know all practices are being filmed. They probably won't even be able to pick out which ones are Hard Knocks and which ones are something else.

 

I think what basically happened was, Ross and the FO said they would only allow this if the coaching staff was ok with it. Therefore it was the coaching staff that decided to do it.

 

I love the idea of this get to see a little peak inside the dolphins for once. I can't really see how this could hurt us in any way unless we really have some major issues they want to hide this is a rebuild year should be fun to watch.

 

I wouldn't be concerned in the least. When the Jets were on HK, Rex Ryan had the ultimate say on what material was aired. I'm assuming Philbin or someone in the Dilphins' front office has the same editing power. If there is something they don't want shown to the world, then it won't be.

 

This.....

 

No idea where people get the idea that this hurts the team, nor do I understand why people feel this helps the team. This doesn't change anything. Winning changes perceptions, not a TV show that only Dolphins fans will watch since there's nothing interesting about this mediocre team to draw in other fans. It's great for Dolphins fans, I know I'll be watching, but that's really all it's good for.

 

Or vice versa.

Bottom line is I highly doubt this would happen without both parties agreeing to it without much of a struggle.

 

IMO, the reason for the look in Philbins eye and when he talks about this, is to give a big FU$& YOU to the media and other pundits that have continually reported false information and tried to assinate the character of this owner and franchises name, just because degrading a once proud franchise is the cool thing to do from a bogus media perspective..I see confidence in Philbin, he knows what he can bring to the table and he wants the world to know how much BS has been spread..

Let's set the record strait shall we, and ultimately rub it back into the faces of the ones who were irresponsible in their reporting and their analysis.

 

I'm an absolute fiend for any national t.v. coverage of the Phins, so this is freakin' awesome news for me. I don't think it will have an adverse effect on the team, maybe the opposite. I don't know if it will be what HBO is after as we don't have a lot of characters on the team. A lot of the guys are more quiet or humble type of players. I think that can end up being a good thing because it will be more about the coaching and the Xs and Os and the position battles rather than some Rex Ryan BS rah, rah speeches and rants, etc. Totally psyched.

 

No.

 

I don't disagree with that R&R, but I do think that there has been some damage to that connection between team and fanbase, and letting them see a good positive direction of their team from capable men, could only help repair some feelings..I see it as a win win if Philbin is a potentially good head coach.

 

I just have a hard time believing Ross DIDN'T want this. What owner wants to turn down free advertising? This guy has an Orange Carpet with celebrity owners and people actually don't believe he wanted his team featured on a huge cable network? Really?!

 

I hope so. I wouldn't be surprised if that was their whole reasoning in doing the show; to clear up misconceptions and some of the bull**** that's been spun out there. Similar to when Ireland set the record straight on that Jake Long story.

Rhetorical question, unfortunately.

 

We're all shocked.

 

I don't see how this embarrasses the team.

I don't believe Ross has his hand up Philbin's rear like a puppet. I don't believe I insinuated so much.

All I've said is that I don't believe that Philbin had to talk Ross into doing this. I believe that this was an idea that came from the top. I think it was an idea that Philbin was sold on, not one that was forced on him, and certainly not an idea that was his originally, as

 

I suppose it could help with the local fanbase. I don't think it would help too much with that though. Winning cures everything.

 

Fair enough.

I just can't see Philbin saying Ross was originally against it without there being some truth to that.

 

I think Joe Philbin had to 'convince' Ross that he could handle it, but I think Ross made it obvious that it's something he'd love to do.

 

How many episodes before someone from the FO takes a shot at the Miami media?

That'd make my offseason.

 

He could believe that the Dolphins will be portrayed as a 1st class organization that is run well and moving up. The improved perception could make it easier to draw FAs or coaches. On a personal side it could raise his exposure and lead to more money, endorsements or doing TV analysis down the line. Hopefully that wouldn't be his focus, but my point is that there are reasons for Philbin to want this.

 

I think Ross SOLD Philbin, after some convincing. Someone (an NFL guy, can't remember who) tweeted earlier that Philbin was totally against Hard Knocks while he was in GB.

I know a lot around here love thinking Ross isn't a hands-on owner, but what's the shame in that? He's not going anywhere. Just accept it and move on. And FTR, this Hard Knocks should be a lot of fun to watch.

 

I've never watch an episode of Hard Knocks...

The Dolphins aren't going to win a Super Bowl anytime soon so it isn't hurt the team. Plus it shows the rebuilding of a team, I guess...

 

Best part of this is now we dont have to rely on the fuktards that report for the local papers/news to find out information about the team. Yes, im pointing right at you Omar!

 

How many dollars will Wake rip off the ceiling?

 

He finally got his contract. He ain't jumping for anything less than a $100. lol

 

It wouldn't be a lie.