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I thought Big Show actually cut a pretty good promo, the problem is no one cares about him. And I hate the cop-outs with Show knocking Vince out before he could fire Johnny, they did the same thing with Triple H a few weeks ago.

 

Starting raw now, bet its a big let down, but in the first 10 minutes I realized Vince is one of the most over guys in the WWE.

 

Yup and Vader is more over than half the roster too. RAW has been consistently bad since the day after WM. Is there a single storyline going on right now that people care about? I realize it's one of the business down months but really what makes the fans want to buy this upcoming PPV?

 

yeah the only part I enjoyed about raw was Vader. Everything else was forgetful.

 

I had a friend who went to RAW last night, he said the crowd was just dead. He said the only ones they got cheered were McMahon, Punk, Bryan, Ziggler, Zack Ryder and Vader. After the cameras stopped running, they announced the main event dark main was John Cena vs. Big Show, David Otunga & Johnny, the place was half empty before the match started, he said people just left because they didn't care about seeing that match, not a good sign for the PPV.

 

Smackdown is being filmed in Baltimore next tuesday, I decided to pass because i haven't watched raw or smackdown in well over a month. I want a reason to go back but it's hard to find one right now. I'm not sure what WWE needs to do to bolster and re-energize its fanbase but they need to do something. I was browsing youtube clips the other day and noticed that Christian is back and is the IC champ now. Did he go back to being a face? I think a feud between him and Daniel Bryan could be pretty awesome.

 

Smart decision save your money, the WWE has been bad since WM outside of the RAW the night after and the Extreme Rules PPV in April. Smackdown is especially weak now. And yes Christian is a face now.

 

No Way Out looks like it will be a let down.

Cena vs Big Show - Seen it before. Don't care what happens to John Laurinaitis at this point.
Ziggler vs Sheamus - Sheamus retains title. Ziggler makes Sheamus look good.
CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan vs Kane - CM Punk retains Title. Maybe some twist with AJ.
Christian vs Cody Rhodes - The only match of the night I care about.
Layla vs Beth Phoenix - Yep......

I'm just looking forward to MITB and Summerslam.

 

So, instead of it being Bryan vs CM Punk, a match has been wanting to see for a long while, Kane had to be added into the mix. I like Kane but.... Why?

 

Because they can have Kane take the pinfall and "protect" Bryan and Punk for later down the road. They don't want either one to get too much of an advantage by beating each other cleanly yet.

However, I think the appeal is the exact opposite in that, if they beat each other cleanly, it proves that they are evenly matched and a small mistake or adjustment can turn the tide.

As for Vader, he was over for the night. He wouldn't sustain that on an extended run. Guy can barely even get up after taking a bump. But it was good to see him do his thing. Loved him back in the day. Also of note...listen to his theme music and then listen to Brock's. Same song, just re-mixed. I thought that was kind of funny. Similar to Austin's and Razor Ramon's.

 

To piss me off. I honestly believe McMahon reads these boards and wanted to mess with me.

But seriously just to mix things up, Punk and Bryan wrestled each other at the last 2 PPVs (and at least 3 or 4 RAWs/Smackdowns this year), the WWE wanted to keep the feud going but just give it a different feel. I just hope it doesn't mean Kane is walking out with the belt on Sunday.

 

It has more to do with protecting Bryan and Punk than simply mixing it up. People will still pay to see those two wrestle so there really isn't a need to spice it up. Kane will most likely be used as the fall guy to transfer the title to Bryan. At least that is my guess. At the very least, he will be used to allow Punk to get a clean win and keep Bryan in tact. I would be very surprised at any outcome that has Kane winning.

 

I hope you're right. It would be completely dumb to have him winning the title which is exactly why I'm a little worried.

 

I watched TNA and it was great last night, Austin Aries is the real deal, has the look and the wrestling ability. The wrestling on the show is so much better than the WWE it not even funny. Hogan was only on for one segment, sting one segment, they are finally pushing the right guys. I know we don't talk much about TNA but I recommend ya'll check it out.

 

For the sake of the business I hope TNA starts to really draw and can compete with the WWE because until then we're going to get the same crap from the WWE since there's no motivation to change things.

 

Aries is a LEGIT star. The guy was great way back when, but came into his own during the last ROH stint. Very talented wrestler. The wars he waged with some of the names that are now big stars were just insane.

I know it would be a step back and they are in opposite companies, but a tag team of Bryan and Aries would simply own everything in the entire wrestling world.

 

Too bad we can't put Aries into that Triple Threat match.

CM Punk vs Daniel Bryan vs Aries? Yes.

 

Read the results for NWO, meh. No real surprises nothing major happened hopefully with MITB and Summer Slam around the corner things start to pick up.

 

Yeah, very much a placeholder PPV. Nothing awful...but nothing to move anything forward either, outside of Johnny Ace getting fired, I guess.

I did like the Big Show ending where everyone he had "injured" recently came out to help Cena beat him. But only because this is the EXACT scenario I laid out for the Undertaker's streak to end (have all previous wrestler he has beaten come out to take him out so that he is finally pinned and fallen by the ghosts of his past). So I guess WWE can thank me for taking an awesome idea and using it (albeit not as cool as mine).

Also, it should be noted that CM Punk has now held the WWE Title, uninterrupted, for 7 months (or 212 days) straight. Pretty decent accomplishment in this day and age of titles swapping presumably all the time.

 

No doubt but it would mean a lot more if he was THE focus of the show/company instead of being 2nd fiddle to Cena. He's been champion for 7 months but only main evented a PPV once, kind of crazy if you think about it.

 

exactly what i was thinking. Sad too...John Cena "I am taking a vacation"= Main event the next two ppvs

 

Against Johnny Ace and The Big Show to boot. Seriously a break for Cena and being off TV for a few months would do wonders for his character. People just need a break from the guy. Have him come back with a new look and fresh character. The jean shorts are way out of style anyway.

 

Oh good yet another John Cena vs. Johnny Ace and/or David Otunga match. And again they wonder why ratings are so low. No one wants to see this crap.

 

I will say this, I love Paul Heyman!

 

You see Heel Heyman and you see Heel Johnny Ace and you realize how much better Heyman is overall as a bad guy and as a character. Also saw this and thought it was pretty cool
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It's AJ at :20 and :53 crying after meeting Lita. Pretty cool!

 

I really wish they had stuck with the whole Heel Lawyer angle with Otunga.

 

Heyman is everything Johnny Ace is not

 

I will say I enjoyed Cenas star wars bit...historic announcement was a historic let down like they usually are... Last time someone said they had a big announcement and had it lived up to it was Kevin's Nash announcement of HBK joining the nwo


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Cena is going to win MiTB, then beat Punk at SS for the title. Then all will be right with WWE Universe.

 

It's been exactly 1 year since CM Punk's "famous" shoot promo/speech on RAW. My question is has he really changed anything like he said he would? Sure he's in a better position than he was at this time last year and has put on some pretty good matches against Cena, Jericho and Bryan but he really hasn't broken out like we all thought/hoped he would. Looking back at that speech nothing's really different, it's a shame to see how over he was after that promo and while he's still over he didn't take that jump into superduperstardom.

 

I don't think the entire landscape has changed, but I do think he has made the WWE title more interesting in terms of having much better matches. The triple threat at TLC was the best match Ive seen in a LONG time. He put on some great matches with Jericho and Bryan, and has had a pretty interesting run as champion compared to Cena or other big names who are usually snooze fests.

 

I agree he put on some great matches but the WWE title is just still a prop. He didn't do anything to change that viewpoint (although not really his fault). Again he only main evented 1 PPV since he won the title back at Survivor Series and that PPV didn't have Cena on the card.

Him personally he had a successful year run but he didn't change much or anything company wise. He didn't do much in terms of bringing in many extra buys or ratings from a business side of things.

I don't blame any of it on Punk, the powers that be and the higher ups just refuse to change things.

 

IMO they ruined that storyline by having him come back so fast. I remember being there and my buddy thought that nothing of what CM Punk was saying wou[video=youtube;oCPKsmgyCYg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCPKsmgyCYg&list=UU2tr52m14LR87zLsRl5pLxA&index=8&feature=plcp[/video] you can hear him towards the end

 

I kind of agree with what Punk said about him coming back so soon instead of sitting out for awhile as not having him on the 2nd biggest PPV of the year wouldn't be smart business wise but you're also right he should have been kept off TV until Survivor Series time. I think the main problem wasn't that Punk came back to quickly it was having him lose at the end of the PPV to Del Rio and then get caught up in a go nowhere feud with Nash (who couldn't be cleared to wrestle him) and then got buried by Triple H instead at the next PPV in September, then he was in limbo the for the next month until Survivor Series. That killed Punk's heat having him lose like that right away. Punk should have beaten everyone from then to now while main eventing every PPV but WM and Extreme Rules.

 

Yeah the whole Kevin Nash storyline was a buildup to nothing.

 

It was dumb. No one cared about Nash dating back to 2003, yet in 2011 fans are magically going to want to see him wrestle again? Just a poor idea with a poorer execution since he couldn't get medically cleared to wrestle Punk.

 

Nash vs HHH was actually a damn good match, to be fair.

 

Meh, they didnt have to have him wrestle to make an appearance at Summerslam though.

He could have walked with the title like he did, "purchase" air time on RAW to shwo him doing wierd things with the title (much like hockey players do with the Stanley Cup). You still run the tournament for a new champion with the finals being held AT Summerslam between Cena and Misterio.

Have Punk buy a ticket and sit either front row, or in a luxury box, with the actual title and causing a distraction for the main event. You then have Cena win and be claimed champ, which irks Punk to the point where he DOES re-sign and comes back after defending the title outside of the WWE (have deals set up with indy feds, Japan, etc., where footage is made readily available.

Once Punk is back, you have him battle Cena to unify the championship and go from there. In my opinion, that would have been way more compelling than what they did, and he still is out in public, doing what he has to do to promote the shows.

Basically, they are doing this now with Brock and I think it is working tremendously. A slow burn that will lead to a match we all know is coming, but we are excited for it.

 

They should have done a WWE Title tournament at Summer Slam, people love them and they haven't had one on PPV since Survivor Series '98 if I'm remembering correctly (unless you want to count merging the WCW and wWF titles together in Dec 2001 PPV).

 

Once again RAW was bad. They're going to struggle once RAW goes 3 hours.