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Daniel Thomas has beefed up, blames injuries for woes.

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  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "I know I've gotten better," he said. "The injuries affected me a lot last year. They messed my mind up. I lost the confidence I had. I didn't have the same burst I had earlier." After averaging 3.5 YPC and struggling after contact as a rookie, Thomas added seven pounds to his frame this offseason. He'll compete with starter Reggie Bush for carries and is a hold in Dynasty leagues.

    Source..NBC sports.

    We have a very nice versatile interior set of skillset players..A nice one two three punch with Bush, Thomas, Miller, along with Clay, Fasano, and Egnew should supplement that outside group, If Chad surprises, we might be alright.
     
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  2. PhinsRDbest

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    Yikes, he's slow to begin with.
     
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  3. the 23rd

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    djphinfan is right on the money with his analysis... should be an exciting year :yes:
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    7 lbs of muscle shouldn't slow him down, it should make him more explosive if it's the right weight.. he's a growing boy.
     
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  5. Bofin

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    thomas could be very good with a zone blocking scheme here, if not mistaken he ran in a zone scheme in college. he did not look good last season, and honestly its good to hear his comments saying he was injured and lacked confidence. because he looked like his mind was messed up, lacked confidence, and was injured. if thomas can pan out i like our backfield,,, i kinda wonder if miller is healthy enough to play right away, maybe put him on pup til week 8 and make sure he is healthy. camp is gonna be interesting this season, looking forward to it.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, he ran in a zone scheme in at Kstate..

    I'm curious to know what some think about a running back like Thomas who has limited experience, and what type of scheme style is more advantageous to a back with little experience, a man block scheme, or a zone scheme?

    Let's not forget that last year was probably his first year running behind a primary man block scheme, seeing he was a Qb in high school and junior college and his two years at Kstate were zone.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Awesome. So then everyone in the league should add 7 lbs of muscle because it has zero negative effects. And then they can add 7 more lbs of muscle because that doesn't have any negative effect. And then 7 more.
     
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  8. ckparrothead

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    Honestly it sounds to me like Daniel Thomas is latching onto the injuries in his mind and blaming them for his poor production. But toward the end of the season, Weeks 15, 16 and 17 when he's running 25 times for 73 yard (2.9 ypc)...he wasn't injured. He just sucked. Oh but that's where the "confidence" comes into play. How clever. A way to blame the injury even when you weren't injured. Well, let me say that if a few minor dings and scrapes can shake your confidence to that degree, you're probably not meant for the NFL.

    Daniel Thomas needs to grow up, and stuff like scapegoating injuries and talking about lost confidence doesn't show me that he's actually doing that. The move to a different run scheme, closer to the one he had success with in college, will probably help him be a little more successful. But for that to happen the OL has to come together because I doubt he's going to do anything with the ball in his hands that the OL didn't already do for him. That's my opinion.
     
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  9. cdz12250

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    It's all going to come down to the offensive line. Forget Thomas, or any other power back. You could have had a young Larry Csonka running behind Colombo and Carey last season, and he wouldn't have gone anywhere either. Reggie did well because he's a different kind of back.
     
  10. Tone_E

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    I do understand and agree with you, he should definitely be more accountable, but as someone who plays competitive (yet amateur) sports at least 3 times a week, I can personally vouch for the fact that a hammy injury can be severely bothersome. It is an injury that lingers. It is an injury that can be re-aggravated at any time after the first rehab cycle - you never give it enough time to heal. If re-aggravated, the injury is compounded. Even when healed, there is still a 'sensation' in the hammy that doesn't go away for a while (took me over a year without any rehab). I could still run, and all out, but during warm ups, and even during games, the sensation was there as if it can pop at any time. That can have a profound impact on a player. Trust me when I say the hamstring is a wild injury, and in fact it is very telling that there is a term named after it in "hamstrung" that can be applied to non sports/injury related conversations. You are severely limited if experiencing the injury. Confidence in ones body can definitely be affected, and in all likelihood will be affected.

    Really, it took me over a year to fully heal. With pro training and rehab regimens, yes, that time is drastically reduced, but it doesn't change the nature of the injury. In short, through personal experience I can relate to Thomas, and just ask that we be patient to let him show what he has this year.
     
  11. USArmyFinFan

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    Really CK? It is easy to take any statement and make a negative about it, you’re saying he needs to grow up, stop blaming injuries, sorry brother that is horse ****. Injuries do play a part in ones mental makeup, and to understand that and be able to move on from it does show progression.
     
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  12. ckparrothead

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    No offense but you're not an NFL caliber tailback. Daniel Thomas is trying to put forth the notion that he is actually a good runner, but that his little minor nicks and scrapes from 2011 took him from being a good runner to being a 3.5 ypc guy behind the same OL that helped Reggie Bush spring for a career year rushing the ball.

    Everyone in the NFL has scrapes and nicks and that includes hamstring issues. Tailbacks deal with even more than average. Hell, Maurice Jones-Drew can barely even move for 4 days of the week during the season. Daniel Thomas may think that he's doing a smart thing by blaming the little minor dings that he took in 2011, but I don't think that's the case. It's just a fact that successful NFL tailbacks have to be bullet proof. They can't let minor dings hurt their "confidence" to where they go from (supposedly, theoretically) a good player all the way to a terrible one.
     
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  13. USArmyFinFan

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  14. ckparrothead

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    So you enjoy the prospect of having a tailback that goes three yards and a cloud of excuses? I don't. They don't hand out Super Bowl trophies based on the quality of your excuse-making.
     
  15. USArmyFinFan

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    CK you have heard of different degrees of injuries yes?....
     
  16. emocomputerjock

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    Only if they're still growing.
     
  17. ckparrothead

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    Yes. Now tell me why Daniel Thomas was so hurt he was cleared to play for 13 games this season?
     
  18. Tone_E

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    You are missing my entire point. I tried to make you understand that a hamstring injury is no minor nick or scrape. And MJD can take chromosome shots/local anesthetics shots or whatever they inject to help their nicks and scrapes, and shot knees etc, but none of those injections are effective against hamstring and other muscle related injuries. And of the lot, the hamstring is one of the most limiting muscle injuries.

    If you've had any prior experiences like mine, or Thomas', maybe you can relate better I guess.

    And why would I take offense that you don't consider me an NFL caliber back? I play CB! :)
     
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  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What is the difference between excuse and a reason?

    He saw a problem, and then he worked out to be build his body up to withstand the punishment of the NFL. If he was making excuses, he wouldn't do anything in the offseason to fix his problem.

    Plus the fact that it isn't rare for rookies to be pretty bad towards the end of the season. It is so common there is a term for it.
     
  20. ckparrothead

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    I love this assumption that Daniel Thomas' hamstring injuries absolutely must have been the worst possible hamstring injuries any player could ever have while still being cleared to play in 13 games during the season. Whatever theoretical line there is where a player's injury is bad enough to declare him out, his hamstring HAD to be at the very brink of it. Definitely. He didn't have dings and scrapes that most NFL players deal with every week. He's an American Hero.
     
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  21. USArmyFinFan

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    Please don't put words in my mouth; I said I think you are full of crap saying injuries don't change a player mental makeup. Sorry we are all not super god like you and suck up any injury and not be the worse for it.

    Brother I have seen injuries drop the toughest of men while others with the same injury plug on.

    Also, all I said was it is not an excuses but a fact that injuries can cause a difference in play. For you to sit on your high horse and look down on anyone without firsthand knowledge is pretty petty. It reminds me of the arrogant Dr. I deal with concerning Wounded Warriors. Most of the time I believe it comes down to the Dr cannot relate because they themselves have never had to deal the injury and pain.
     
  22. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Beautiful use of hyperbole.
     
  23. USArmyFinFan

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    Get me a job on the medical staff where I can have first hand knowledge and you got it. Make sure to tell them I am a combat medic and I do have some medical background.
     
  24. Nappy Roots

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    Your saying you think DTs injury last year was handled correctly
     
  25. Tone_E

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    There are varying degrees of hamstring injuries, and maybe the fact that he was cleared to play 13 games is exactly contrary to your beliefs. Maybe he decided to play through the injury, therefore NOT making excuses during the season and playing with the so called "nicks and scrapes". It could go both ways.
     
  26. USArmyFinFan

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    Do you have any medical background? A simple understanding of injuries goes a long way.....but I guess you just have to hate on the man so there is not telling you anything.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Do you have any reason to assume it was not?
     
  28. USArmyFinFan

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    It is a no win situation and the perfect storm for someone who want to criticize a player. If they fight through it and have a bad season, they suck and cannot deal with injury. If they don’t play they are weak and injury prone. If someone wants to hate a player they can and will find a reason to.
     
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  29. ckparrothead

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    Why is it that you assume you've got a good perspective on what quality NFL players must deal with injury-wise in order to be quality NFL players? Just curious.
     
  30. ckparrothead

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    OR the player can play through the injury and play well, just as most good players around the league do. You know, since we're assuming Daniel Thomas is any good.
     
  31. Nappy Roots

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    Are you kidding? Him being hurt, then playing. Then missing a game due to it, then playing, then missing more action. And so on.

    You see no problem with handling your rookie RBs hamstring such? I know you know better then that, hamstrings aren't muscles to play with at that position, yet he was ran out there when he obviously wasn't ready.
     
  32. USArmyFinFan

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    This is quickly turing into a onesided argument

    A one-sided argument can be represented with an audience A, an argument D, the pro side B and the con side C.

    1.Premise: A is true if B applied to D is true and C applied to D is false.
    2.Premise: If A is true then B applied to D is true and C applied to D is false.
    3.Premise: B applied to D is true.
    4.Conclusion: A is true.
    This is a fallacy because if B applied to D is true, it doesn't follow that C applied to D is false. IE injury
     
  33. USArmyFinFan

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    Examples?
     
  34. ckparrothead

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    Again, I'm not sure what evidence you're trying to put forward that the medical people are guilty of malpractice, which is what you're suggesting.
     
  35. Nappy Roots

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    Ok. Well we don't have inside information since we aren't in the training room and on the staff, sorry I don't have physical evidence.

    Do you have evidence his injury was handled correctly?
     
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  36. USArmyFinFan

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    I'm not, you are however. I base mine off personal experience as a medic in the Army. Where several injuries are similar caused by similar type of stress requirements on the body. So my back ground has allowed me to experience torn ACL’s, MCL’s , LCL’s, other types of ligament and tendon damage, sprains and strains, stress fractures, open and closed fractures, muscle tears, among many others.

    So, what are you basing you argument off of?
     
  37. USArmyFinFan

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    See Nappy, if A = B and C = D, then A cannot = C, how could we have not seen this from the get go. CK has it all figured out, there is only one way to = 10 and that 5+5. There is no other way it is black and white right there for you.
     
  38. xphinfanx

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    A player that looses confidence in himself can develop mental issues such as second guessing and such. Until he gains full confidence there can be the mental issue still. And that can be any position at any talent level.
     
  39. USArmyFinFan

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    Stop you are making sense, we will have none of that in here....
     
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  40. ckparrothead

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    Gladly. All of the following dealt with hamstring injuries this year:

    Aaron Kampman
    Adam Jones
    Adam Snyder
    Adrian Clayborn
    Alfonso Smith
    Amari Spievey
    Andre Holmes
    Andre Johnson
    Andrew Gachkar
    Andrew Hawkins
    Anthony Armstrong
    Anthony Gonzalez
    Antoine Bethea
    Antonio Cromartie
    Antwan Applewhite
    Aqib Talib
    Arian Foster
    Arnaz Battle
    Asante Samuel
    Atari Bigby
    Ben Tate
    Bernard Scott
    Brad Jones
    Brad Smith
    Brandon Harris
    Brandon Hughes
    Brandon Jacobs
    Brian Robiskie
    Brice McCain
    Brit Miller
    Bryant Johnson
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    Byron Westbrook
    Cameron Wake
    Captain Munnerlyn
    Carlos Dunlap
    Carnell Williams
    Cassius Vaughn
    Cecil Shorts
    Chad Clifton
    Chad Ochocinco
    Champ Bailey
    Chansi Stuckey
    Charles Clay
    Chimdi Chekwa
    Chris Carter
    Chris Chamberlain
    Chris Clemons
    Chris Cook
    Chris Harris
    Chris Ivory
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    Chris Wells
    Chris White
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    Clark Haggans
    Colin McCarthy
    Courtney Greene
    Damian Williams
    Dan Gronkowski
    Danario Alexander
    Daniel Thomas
    Darrel Young
    DeJon Gomes
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    DeMarco Sampson
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