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Smart Phone Advice

Discussion in 'Science & Technology' started by DeDolfan, Jul 3, 2012.

  1. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Basically removing the restrictions that Apple puts on iOS.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_jailbreaking

    But it really is only useful if you're going beyond the basic functions of phone, text, email, internet, and the apps available in the app store.
     
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  2. Yellow Snowman

    Yellow Snowman New Member

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    I was just proving that your fragmentation issue is weak and meaningless. And now that Android has a universal OS for phone and tablet that is now gone. As far as software for the device, it is. Google releases the Android OS to its manufacturers months before its old on shelves for optimization. And if it is still your concern you get a device straight from Google which is what a Nexus device is and why I have one.
     
  3. Desides

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    To be a little more precise, it's the act of breaking your user account out of "jail" mode.

    When you turn your iPhone on, it automatically logs in to a generic user account and then shows the home screen with all your app icons. This user account is in jail mode, a UNIX term (iOS is a distant derivative of the UNIX OS) that basically means an account is restricted in what it is and is not allowed to do. Jailbreaking is just that, breaking the user account out of jail mode and elevating it to a level with permission to change everything on the OS. Most people just install themes or app tweaks, but there's also app piracy and the like.

    Jailbreaking has its uses, but for the most part, DeDolfan, you should be fine in normal "jail" mode. Then again, I personally think jailbreaking is a bit overrated, especially after iOS 5 and now 6 have incorporated almost all of the functionality that jailbreakers loved to add to their iPhones.

    It actually is true. The human hand works the way it works. Your agreement is not required for this to be factual, and your opinion—which you have a nasty habit of putting forth disguised as fact—certainly has nothing to do with the thought process that Apple follows when making their products.
     
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  4. Yellow Snowman

    Yellow Snowman New Member

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    For the original poster, jailbreaking or rooting is essentailly hacking into your phone to have full control over it. Manufacturers and telecom companies want them locked so you can't take advantage of certain features for a multitude of reasons. One it keeps them more secure, they want to be able to work on them if it does break, and of course they make more money. It would be nearly impossible to help you at a call center or tech place if every phone was hacked and operated differently. For example, lets say you root/hack into your phone and speed up the processor and it overheats and breaks. Now they are liable even though it was your fault. People like to do it though for additional freedoms and free features such as free hotspot that telecom companies want you to pay for.

    So you know, the term means the same thing but in specifics you:

    root = Android
    jailbreak = Apple

    Its the same thing just applies to different operating system. Reason Apple guys do it is largely to gain the freedom that Android already has. See Android is an open platform and encourages creativity and freedom whereas Apple locks it down. Rooting an Android voice has its perks as well but not nearly as many as jailbreaking Apple because Apple is so far behind on basic Android features.

    Keep in mind I would not recommend doing either unless you are a techy and are comfortable with voiding your device warrantee. sure you can reverse the process if you need to return the phone, but a rooted/jailbroken phone does void warranty without question.
     
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  5. Yellow Snowman

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    Its actually not true. For example Android OS is advanced to know that any swipe down anywhere on the screen pulls up your notifications. You dont even have to touch the tip top of your screen to do it. Same goes for scrolling in any direction....do it anywhere on the screen and it works.

    So again, you dont have a valid point. The article you posted was bogus because of those reasons and your welcome for the explanation on an OS you clearly aren't familiar with.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    Ask any developers if fragmentation is an issue. There is a reason why iOS has more apps available.
     
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  7. Yellow Snowman

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    Well there is obvious reasons for that....the main is more money. Apps cost more on Apple Market then they do on Android Play/Marketplace so it means more money. Yes you heard that right, Apple charges more for Apps than Google Play. As a developer you're going to develop for the place that provides more money. Then of course the obvious was Apple was bigger, meaning more users...that has since changed but was a major factor.

    So in a nutshell you're always going to develop first for the more profitable market. That being said, that was an issue a few years ago and you'd be correct. Since then Android has become the largest OS surpassing Apple and now all the apps you see on Market you find on Play. The App thing was a major advantage of Apple over Blackberry and Android for a while but it no longer is for Android. they have the same apps and apps are super high quality on both.
     
  8. Yellow Snowman

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    For the OP, please do not consider a Blackberry or Windows phone. Honestly, don't even consider a phone outside of Android or Apple right now or in the near future.
     
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  9. Stringer Bell

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    You're going to develop apps for the iOS that has one version of hardware vs. the iOS that has unlimited versions of the hardware. There is a lot of risk that the app you develop only works on 75% of the Android phones. You have to worry about compatibility with 100 different versions of hardware.
     
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  10. Yellow Snowman

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    Thats not even true. in order to have a certain OS for Android you have to have certain Hardware. So you aren't developing for the hardware because you already know the phone has the hardware if it has that version of OS

    Again, its like Windows in a sense. you develop a program for Windows XP as well as Windows 7 and its just a given and it isn't an issue just as you would a new version of Android as well as an old. It isnt the issue you're making it out to be as indicated with how any of the apps you really want on apple are also on android. If that wasnt true you'd have a point. That and I want to stress again that the OP is looking for a new phone, not 3 year old ebay phone.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    So you're developing for how many OS's for Android? If you develop just for the newest version, what % of the Android market are you actually developing to?

    There isn't one version of Android. There are many versions. Within those versions are different versions of hardware. Not every phone using the same version of Android is going to have the exact same hardware. There are standards, but those are just minimum standards.

    Here is a chart of the screen-resolution Android developers have to deal with:

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    Whatever technological advances Android phones make will always be underdeveloped because the market-share and adoption-rate of those phones is largely to be determined.

    Exactly. Its like Windows. Not very user friendly.
     
  12. Desides

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    It's clear that you have no idea what the original point is, which is the operability of the iPhone's form factor with its OS. This has nothing to do with how Android operates, and everything to do with why Apple makes their phone the way they do. The contrast was between larger Android phone screen sizes and the iPhone screen size to prove a point about iPhone usability decisions, not to somehow present Android as inherently inferior. Stringer is doing a good enough job of illustrating the almost malicious hurdles Android presents to its users and developers.

    This is why most of the posts replying to you are those of disagreement: you don't really consider what the topic is, you simply bash the quoted poster's point regardless. Give it a rest, parody account.
     
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  13. Yellow Snowman

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    And I clearly explained why his criticism is null and void. If you want to buy into the Apple hype machine then have at it, many do. And to be honest Apple makes a quality product there is no doubt about it. I'm just pointing out the criticisms of his are typical Apple fanboy responses even when they hold no water. You can't say "your thumb can't reach the tip top of a device so its bad form factor" and leave out that it doesn't change the functionality of the device because it is advanced and you do not need to. Thats just an example.

    I actually own multiple products of both as well. I personally have and use iPhone 4s, iPad2, Galaxy Nexus, and Asus Transformer. I can speak from experience the pros and cons of both. I can tell you it is very obvious Android is far superior in terms of hardware and software for cell phones. If you want to talk tablets then a stronger case can be made for both.
     
  14. Yellow Snowman

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    one thing to notw about the "fits in my pocket" argument.......Many Android phones despite having a much larger screen are actually thinner and lighter than the iPhone so they have no problem fitting in your pocket just the same.
     
  15. Desides

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    No, you did not. You took it as an affront to Android and talked about Android functionality. You completely missed the point.
     
  16. Yellow Snowman

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    You obviously didn't read the article posted then. It is a criticism. In the article he actually says "when someone is doing it wrong" in regards to Android. Sorry pal, you're wrong so perhaps you should drop it.
     
  17. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Sorry, wrong. You fail to understand the context in which I linked to the article. I did not link to it in order to say "iPhone > Android". I linked to it in order to explain to GreenMonster why the iPhone comes in a smaller size than his favored Android phone. There was no judgment made on which is better, but rather an explanation was offered. You then got upset because you simply saw the post and not the conversation, thus losing all context.

    Like I said before, you have no consideration for the topic or content of a specific post, which is why you wind up in so many arguments. Don't reply to my posts if you don't want to bother understanding why and how they were written.
     
  18. Yellow Snowman

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    Well then a different article should have been used. Sorry the article was a bit of a criticism article. I responded to the article posted. If you can't understand that then thats on you as it is written in black and white print. When someone says a company is doing something wrong then yes that is a criticism.

    It is really quite simple. I know you've backed yourself into a corner and wont let it go, its ok...
     
  19. fins4o8

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    Gotta love a thread on asking advice, turns into Android vs iOS. :)

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  20. fins4o8

    fins4o8 Mac FTW!

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    Double post



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  21. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yep. Entirely due to singular efforts, too.

    The advice was given a couple of pages back and now I don't know what the hell is going on here. :lol:
     
  22. Firesole

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    Just like I knew it would when I posted post #3 on page 1 once I saw Yellow's remarks.
     
  23. vmarcilfan75

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    if you're using it just for email....save your money and keep what you have :up:
     

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