*The Official 2011-12 NBA Thread*

Any deal that sticks Orlando with a 4 yr, $58 million contract for Brook Lopez, as is being reported, is absolutely horrible.

I cannot believe the Magic are possibly allowing themselves to get locked into that kind of deal, when they are clearly tearing the whole thing down. Unless they can flip Lopez to a 4th team, it makes no sense.

They either need to get a star in return (like Bynum) or cap space and draft picks.

 

Whoever gets Brook Lopez in that deal, got the worst end of that trade.

 

Deal doesn't seem like it would make much sense for the Magic but it seems to be getting bigger with every leak. it started as a fairly crazy 6 player + trade between just them and now we have 14+ players and 4 teams, real easy for this to completely collapse.

 

Yay, we are gonna land a 7 foot Grant Hill coming off a foot injury.

 

Agreed, particularly at the numbers that are being talked about.

I just cannot fathom the Magic doing this deal. The LAL deal makes so much more sense and is so much cleaner. Bynum for Howard straight up. If you can re-sign Bynum, great. If not, you will be loaded with cap space and Turkgolu/JRich will be much easier to trade after next season.

Getting rid of Turk or JRich, if the Magic even are in this rumored deal is mitigated by taking back a max Brook Lopez, who I guarantee Orlando will be looking to move within two years.

 

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Not a bad thought by Hollinger.

Magic may be leaking all this to get Lakers to move.

None of it makes any sense, particularly Cleveland's role. If they want Humphries, just sign him. Unless they are getting other players or multiple picks I don't see why they'd facilitate it. For what end?

 

Orlando should just ship Dwight out for a few packs of Big Red gum and call it a day.

 

Latest scoop: my sources tell me that there is a deal in the works between 6 undisclosed teams involving 29 players which lands Howard in Vancouver and Andrew Bynum in New Haven, CN. Incredible. Stay tuned folks.

 

Question, I'm sure somebody (I'm looking at you Dallas) will put in a bid for Elton Brand but just saying they didn't... When would he clear waivers?

 

I heard there was a deal involving 30 teams and 450 players that were going to land Commissioner Stearn on a slow boat to China.

Hoping it comes through any time now...

 

poor kid is bugging right now....

 

Lets just start it now............LOLrlando.


If any of the reported deals go down then LOLrlando is just ridiculously dumb. Now Yahoo reporting "

In current structure of deal, Orlando gets Brook Lopez, Damion James, Shelden Williams, Luke Walton and 3 or 4 1st rounders, sources tell Y!”

I mean that is so ridiculous words cannot express. LOLrlando should just screw the Nets and Lakers deals. Any deal that send you Lopez and picks is trash. Any trade that sends Bydumb who has clearly stated he is not re-signing if he is traded is fail. They should just work with Houston or Golden State or any other team willing to take a rent-a-player and dump salary while adding pieces you can build with. you arent building with Lopez or Bydumb. On top of it, don't help the Nets out this way they're screwed and can't add Dwight because they're stuck with Lopez lol.

either way, hurry up and screw this thing up Orlando. Make a deal already, we're sick of talking about it.​

 

Yep. Or trade him to another team (Not Nets or Lakers) who are willing to give you picks and possibly take on Turkeyglues contract to create a buzz around their team for a year. Then let Dwight be the bad guy in the offseason as he cries and moans to join Brooklyn and they have no means to acquire him.

Orlando is coming out of this bad on both ends. No pieces to build around and still have big contracts for mediocre players.

 

I keep thinking this. Some of these deals seem to be worse than just getting nothing. Makes me wonder how much of what we are hearing is huff and puff put out there by someone with a vested interest.

 

I know Otis Smith is gone and we have to give the new GM a shot before killing him, but Orlando isn't exactly known for making trades that benefit them. These trades are so bad that I believe Orlando is interested.

 

The proposed trade that Woj reported is absolutely an embarresment for Orlando. Even Jeff Ireland is snickering at that deal.

Beyond the fact that Orlando seems to be losing the two best players in the deal (I think Earl Clark might be better than Lopez), all they get is 3 first roudners that don't start until 2015, and they also get the privilege of keeping Turkgolu/Big Baby and Duhon. Those 3 have some value now as they are a means to an end of acquiring Howard, but they become completely worthless as trade chips the minute Howard is gone.

All have multiple years left so Orlando doesn't even gain all that much cap relief, given Lopez's max extension.

This cannot be real. The incompetence is staggering is true

 

Its not like Orlando has any leverage here.

 

Sure they do. They have the asset

If he's as valuable as people claim, eventually there will be a bidding war because most of these interested teams will be unable to sign him outright as a FA.

In other news, Indy matching Portland's offer sheet for Hibbert.

Where does Kaman get his money now? Any chance NOH are interested in a S&T? Alot of empty roster spots on that team that they could use a vet or two.

 

They have an asset that they can't hold on to. An asset that essentially said he will only play for one team. There is no trade market for him other than the Nets.

 

Seems Magic are confused. Seems they're more concerned with accommodating Dwight than doing the necessary things to build a winner in the future. Obviously those necessary things are clearing cap space and picking up early picks. The Magic are doing neither. They aren't dumping cap and aren't picking up early picks. The only team they're helping with these proposed trades is Nets.

 

Thats not true. A few other teams have said they'd take on a rent-a-player.

 

Regardless of what Howard says, he is still an asset. Less than 4 months ago he pledged loyalty to the Magic. So if I'm Houston or the Lakers or somebody else who really needs a superstar I take the chance. See what happens in a year.

But for Orlando I'm not getting bent over and taking back a max contract Brook Lopez. I'd rather lose Howard for nothing than kill my cap with a garbage player.

 

And what did those teams offer Orlando?

 

If its draft picks and young players it beats the nets late round picks that don't kick in til 2015 and brook Lopez. Heck anything beats that.

 

Having Dwight sit out next season then walk does not beat NJ's offer. And right now those are the two most likely scenarios.

Also keep in mind that Orlando would also be getting cash. The Nets will likely be out $150M in taxes if he gets Howard.

 

noooooooooooooooooooo I actually wanted him to go to Cleveland...

 

Lol if nothing happens.

 

I wouldn't do that trade. Hope Hennigan holds out or uses this to pressure other teams.

 

So I just got cut off in front of Babys R Us by Michael Petrius. He had the nerve to go around me when I stopped for a family to cross...I wanted to get out and punch him in the face. What a douche bag

 

I think it would be worth it if you are getting a first from someone aside from NY, it might be worth it.

 

Shoulda done it and then signed a 10 day contract with the Heat this season as a TY from Pat Riley.

 

I can't agree with this.

We are taking on bad contract in Lopez and on top of that keeping Hedo. Also, any first round pick we get will be lottery protected.

We should just break off the agreement Dwight signed with us and let him be a Free Agent. Find suitors for Hedo and Richardson. Suck this year to ensure a top 3 pick.

 

It's not horrible. A little under $4 million per and at least Novak has a demonstrable NBA skill that he is very proficient at.

I like this deal alot more than Jeff Green's 4 for $40 million when I have no clue what the guy does well on a basketball court

 

I dunno,

I may be totally off base but I'm starting to feel like all of the D12/Nets talk is being fueled more by D12 and the Nets. The Four team 14 player trade is just too bizarre and complicated. Applying Occum's Razor this seems like to complex a transaction not to slip apart somewhere.

 

He got more years on that deal than touches in the playoffs.

 

What good is that cap space going to do?