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Penn State penalties/sanctions leaked

Discussion in 'College Sports' started by Yellow Snowman, Jul 22, 2012.

  1. Yellow Snowman

    Yellow Snowman New Member

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    I'm tired of people saying an entire culture and an entire community shouldnt be punished because of current players who did nothing. First of all they've made it clear the they can transfer free of punishment. That means they can transfer to any school and NCAA has already said they wont count on the scholarship numbers so there is no risk for another school. Problem solved, kids aren't punished. they get to transfer without losing eligibility.

    Not only that they've been thinking about the well-being of a football program over defenseless kids for decades and enough is enough. The well-being of the current program should not even be a factor with how egregious this systematic problem is.
     
  2. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    It is going to be put in a fund to be doled out to the victims...

    I would be all for it, but for one factor to me anyways...If you shut down the football program, you are killing jobs and the economy that thrives on PSU football...All the 3rd party vendors, that rely on it...

    If there were a way to ensure nothing happens to them, then I would say yeah kill it...
     
  3. CaribPhin

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    It rubs me the wrong way when students and others complain that this and removing the statue won't help them heal. Bull****. They weren't molested. What healing do they have to do? The self-centeredness of these people is astounding and disgusting. It's not about the students or Paterno, or anyone who wasn't raped then ignored.
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    if they didn't cover it up, there should be zero penalty.
     
  5. Fin D

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    I didn't say there should be a penalty.

    I said fallout. They covered it up because they were afraid of fallout from the bad press. The penalty for covering up needs to be drastically more significant then the fallout from bad press.
     
  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    The penalty for covering it up is drastically more significant than the fallout from bad press.

    Joe Paterno is no longer the leading coach when it comes to wins. That is a HUGE penalty.

    Also, why?
     
  7. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    It needs to be a deterrent to all colleges.

    The Paterno thing isn't a huge penalty to the school. His name was already tainted this does nothing extra.
     
  8. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not agree. This does a lot extra.

    It is a deterrent to all colleges. This is the first time the NCAA has even given a penalty for this type of situation.

    Now in the future not only will there be bad PR fallout, the school will be hurt AND the coaches legacy will be wiped clean.
     
  9. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University
    I meant between 98 and now, ur hate blinded u.
     
  10. Yellow Snowman

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    none......reason is he is going to destroy the Big 10 anyways and Penn St was not going to stand in his way.
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    How many colleges have active coaches with a legacy?

    $60 million is a drop in the bucket for this school. No bowl games is nothing. Recruiting is hurt but it would have been hurt the second it was known there was a pedo coach.

    Regardless, everything they did PLUS close the program for 5 years, is what i wanted.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    All coaches think of their legacy.

    $60 million is still a lot of money. Bowl games mean a lot. Recruiting is hurt much more than with a pedo coach.

    You asked for something that wasn't going to happen.
     
  13. pocoloco

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    Well, it is what it is. The coach is fired, dead and his legacy ruined, the pedophile is behind bars and will likely be raped and killed by inmates, and additional charges are being readied for the administrators. We can expect even more investigations. The 60 million will go to a fund for abused kids, which is good, and the Big Ten is sure to levy additional fines. Maybe even kick them out of the conference entirely. The punishments are not over yet.

    I can understand waning a bigger fine, but getting something over 200M (in light of state cuts to education) risks shuttering academic departments. That may happen anyway, as I imagine there will be additional civil suits that push that number up exponentially.

    Having to run a season may be a worse punishment, as they'll be shamed at every turn. The talent in the program is gutted for a good long time.

    Everyone has lost.

    This should be one of those turning points in college sports where we realize the programs, most unprofitable, have wagged the dog and schools need to reassert control. Outside of the top 15 programs, I think you will see them take a step back.
     
  14. unifiedtheory

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    A well deserved kick in the teeth for YEARS of willful institutional blindness (that created more victims of CHILD SEXUAL ASSAULT), lack of institutional control (the football program controlled the University) and unfair competitive advantage (the willful blindness kept them clean for years, leading to no sanctions which lead to business as usual).

    I think the fine should have been stiffer personally but I think the NCAA saw the lawsuits coming their way and decided to go easy. The piper has not yet been fully paid.

    I applaud the NCAA today, something I never thought I would say. The took a wrecking ball to Paterno's "legacy" and forced Penn State to realize that while football is important, it is not more important than the lives of children that were completely destroyed at the hands of Sandusky, who was enabled by the administration of the university.
     
  15. unifiedtheory

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    The school's football program has essentially been destroyed. The loss of scholarships and prestige has essentially turned them into a Division II school. They will feel this for at least a decade and may never recover.

    I'm not saying your idea is "wrong", just a little too ambitious. The NCAA brought the hammer like they have never done before (I think what Penn St. received today is much harsher than what SMU received) and took a step to putting the institutions back in control of their athletic departments.
     
  16. Yellow Snowman

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    This is all a bunch of hogwash. Essentailly turned them into a DII school? Give me a break. The loss in wins and money wont effect the program at all. As far as scholarships, they will take a small step back, but not much as they aren't an elite program competing for National Championships anyways. they will remain a pretty good to good school while raking in even more money than before thanks to insane boosters.

    And stop comparing this to SMU which is a no-name no-history school. Its more like comparing punishment to Ohio State or USC. It wont kill the program and they will bounce back like nothing happened in a few years. SMU didn't have the boosters or history to lean on, plus they took sanctions seriously unlike Pedo St. Pedo St will be business as usual, whereas SMU took it upon themselves to enforce an additional year of death penalty to clean things up. Pedo St took down a statue and thats it.
     
  17. Anonymous

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    PSU will not recover in a few years. Try a decade, if not longer.
     
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  18. unluckyluciano

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    smu has some big boosters actually. A lot of oil money.
     
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  19. Yellow Snowman

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    The boosters at SMU are a drop in the bucket compared to Penn St which is the 3rd highest grossing football program in the country. Since November they brought in 250M in booster donations. SMU couldnt dream of money like that.
     
  20. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    lulz
     
  21. unluckyluciano

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    being not as big is not the same as not having history or boosters to lean on. Part of the fact smu is doing better now is due to its boosters.
     
  22. Yellow Snowman

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    Which still aren't near the level that Penn St is. This fact is not debatable. To compare SMU boosters or revenue to Penn St is just laughable.
     
  23. Fin D

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    The NCAA went Michael Corleone when I wanted them to go Marcellus Wallace....so I'm probably just speaking from frustration.
     
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  24. unifiedtheory

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    Thank you for calling my opinion "a bunch of hogwash". I'm looking forward to disagreeing with your next opinion.

    I'll be here 5 years from now, we will talk then. They are royally screwed.
     
  25. unifiedtheory

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    If the "fact is not debatable" bring some numbers to support your argument not just blind bluster.
     
  26. Yellow Snowman

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    I already have. Penn St is the 3rd most grossing football program in the country and racks in more than 200M from boosters alone. I can't even find SMU boosters and money they gross because they are so far down the list.

    Boom, you lose.
     
  27. unluckyluciano

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    except, again, I was just pointing out they do have some history and some big boosters. This fact is not debatable.
     
  28. Laces Out

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    Not sure if serious.........

    Penn State is going to have the NCAA watching them like a hawk, and they agreed to it to avoid a 5 year death penalty.

    http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/20120723/21207232
     
  29. Yellow Snowman

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    But they didn't receive a 5 year death penalty, the penalty they should have received. NCAA took it easy on Pedo St and their president has acknowledged that.
     
  30. Yellow Snowman

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    compared to Pedo St they just can't compare. Again, that isn't debateable. You don't have a case.
     
  31. Laces Out

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    The PSU president tool what was on the table to avoid a multi year death penalty. Show me a quote where PSUs president said the NCAA took it easy on them.
     
  32. unluckyluciano

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    You don't understand my "case". I am not comparing, I am pointing out you were wrong for saying they don't have the boosters to lean on. They do and did.
     
  33. Yellow Snowman

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    I said they don't have the boosters to lean on that Pedo St does, that is a fact. You said that wasn't true even though it was. I'd love for you to provide some facts to back up your case. See I know you can't because what I said is fact, SMU doesnt have near the support or network of boosters that Pedo St does. To say otherwise is absurd.
     
  34. unluckyluciano

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    No again go back and read what I said all I said was: smu has some big boosters actually. A lot of oil money.
    In reply to: . SMU didn't have the boosters or history to lean on
    I then replied with: being not as big is not the same as not having history or boosters to lean on. Part of the fact smu is doing better now is due to its boosters.

    Now where in there have I stated I think they are the same? I even stated they weren't as big, but they still had boosters to lean on.
     
  35. Yellow Snowman

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    Perhaps he didn't literally say they took it easy on them, but he has acknowledged they could have been much tougher. He has acknowledged this and its the reason they were so quick to accept these sanctions without a fight.


     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The important thing to remember is that they could fight the sanctions and most likely win. The NCAA doesn't really have the power to penalize Penn State without Penn State going with it. Because of Penn State allowing themselves to be punished, NCAA may have the power to do this in the future, if this happens again.
     
  37. Yellow Snowman

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    We're comparing them to Penn St. In doing so SMU simply does not and can not compare. It is really that simple. And compared to Penn St they are a no-name no-history school. I think you're vastly overrating SMU backing. What they did was shocking, but these big schools like Penn St if they wanted to could literally do what SMU did times 50, thats how big the disparity in programs and boosters is. SMU could play a few guys a few thousand here and there whereas Penn St could literally do that for every player on the team and still make hundreds of millions. It is not comparable, but I know you want to fight over semantics so have at it.
     
  38. Yellow Snowman

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    NCAA does have the power, they just don't typically use it. And if Penn St wanted to fight it they could easily focus on football related sanctions like JoePa covering up for arrested athletes or athletes beating up other students and impose sanctions. This was more than Sandusky even though Sandusky crimes were the most egregious.

    Penn St recognized it was a lose-lose to fight it. Hell they could have been kicked out of the Big 10 and NCAA all together...it was on the table.
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    NCAA doesn't have the power over criminal cases.

    Penn St would probably still win.

    You can't make up rules as you go.
     

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