Im very excited about Tannehill. I just wish we had better receivers. We arent good/deep enough at wr to be trading Marshall and cutting Cj
the chris hogan sequence was good, then that chad johnson vs sean smith sequence was great and on top of that, that littly oline sequence was off the charts, i loved that one, probably the same for every team and nothing special, at least thats how it should be, jake is a nasty biatch, although he looks a little chubby, interested what will happen with hogan the next game stunned how garrard's injury really happened, at the pool with his kids....gotta be kidding me, the release of chad was tough, i was feeling sorry for him
sentiments shared, brother. That would seem logical, but at the same time, IMO, we should put faith in Philbin's plan to build a SB team and understand that decisions to cut & trade CJ & Marshall, as difficult as they probably were, were in the team's best interest for moving forward toward that goal. This is more about the next decade than just 2012. If he wants a unified team, a shared mindset, no distractions, then players who interfere with that have to go unfortunately. Case in point: We had Marshall for 2 years; how many more games did we win with him than the previous 2 years?
Well, clowns scare a lot of people, so I could see that actually working. _________________________________________________________________
I've always felt that the idea of him being a meddling owner was more of a media creation than the reality. People ran with a few comments he made as a fan and believed the story of him vetoing a possible Orton deal as fact to reach that erroneous conclusion. (I heard that Ireland told him that we should wait for the draft and Ross just listened to him). My understanding is that his involvement on the football side was basically being involved in the coaching search and the GM evaluation and that's about it.
No its about worth. Its worth putting up with Big Ben's stupidity because he's a big time QB who puts up numbers. CJ or BM aren't worth putting up with because they are just WRs who didn't put up numbers here. Would you put up with a mediocre punter if he was always in trouble or being annoying? No.
That's what I was wondering. And those routes they showed from practice on Hard Knocks were not just limited to slot routes. He was beating guys as a boundary receiver.
See,there is where you lose me, the whole "putting faith in Philbin" thing. Ive been burned too many times by this team by putting faith in the front office/coaches. Wanny sucked, Saban sucked, Cam really sucked and Sparano sucked. No more benefit of the doubt with me. They have to show me. I see this type of post everytime we had a coaching change. Mist people want to trust the new coach and it bites them in the *** everytime. The only one I actually trusted was Parcels, and he turned out to be an a-hole to. Never again
Then I guess my answer is from watching them play and past performances. How else could I evaluate them?
What specifically do you see in any of the guys not named Bess or Hartline, that means they'll be subpar in this offense?
No,thats not the question I was responding to. It was about how an a-hole player can distract a team, nit about wether he was a good player or not. so,is Ben R a distraction to the steelers or not? Of course not, cause that kinda stuff doesnt bother teams. Fans seem to think it does though
The only one I trusted was Saban. I still think he's a great coach, just a crappy person. Philbin is the only other one on that list I would trust.
His antics are and have been a distraction. There's really no debating that. The issue is those distractions were worth putting up with, because the return was greater. CJ & BM cannot claim that here.
The fact that they couldnt break into the starting rotation or even get significant playing time even with our group of receivers speaks volumes. Hey, maybe one of the many undrafted free agents we have at WR will turn into the next Andre Johnson. Its unlikely though.
How can they have a chance to "show you" when you're not giving them a chance to show you? It's been one preseason game and it seems like you've already made up your mind. I understand wanting to keep your defense wall up, but this is a little extreme, no? Often it's blind optimism, yes, but in this case there's reason to have hope. Sometimes you have to differentiate between the 2. But still, the organization is trying hard to correct the problems of the past, so I'm not sure where the content is coming from. Don't you want them doing that? And it doesn't always bite them in the arse every time. It's only bitten us in recent history. We made a change to Don Shula at one time; how did that turn out? The Packers made a change to McCarthy; that's worked out well, no? 49ers changed to Harbaugh isn't biting them in the arse. Our biggest problem has been trying for quick fixes at QB and not drafting as well as other teams. Regardless of what people think about Ireland, the guy can identify talent and is respected around the league for such. We drafted a QB who might finally fix the post Marino curse. The team has a lot of young talent to develop and we have a coaching staff that seems capable of getting the most from them. Plus we have a new head coach who makes Sparano seem like he's more fit to be a bus driver. There's plenty of reason to be optimistic here, and those reasons certainly aren't outweighed by the fact we traded Marshall & cut Johnson. We have a lot of free cap space next year thanks to trading Marshall & being smart in FA this year, and we also have another 3rd rounder to work with; therefore, would you be satisfied if the Marshall trade and his freed cap space turned into Mike Wallace, Michael Egnew as a great TE, and a to be determined 2013 3rd round stud?
Of course I don't know, nobody does. But history is a good indicator. I get it, you are the erternal optimistic
I wanted a WR drafted higher in the draft, but I've been saying all off season that there is enough talent among those dozen WRs that we can reasonably believe that one or two could emerge as 1s or 2s. GB didn't get their current WR core by pursuing big names. They got there by developing talented guys like Nelson and Jones. Basically, you're talking about getting enough guys with triangle numbers and hoping that that one or two figure out how to separate and catch consistently.
To be fair, by using that logic, he could call you the "eternal pessimist" simply b/c you carry an opposing opinion.
I wouldn't want Hart in the slot, you gotta be strong to work in that bloodzone area, you take a lot of hits there, lotta hands on you redirecting, don't think it fits his skillset..would get manhandled a bit.
Don Shula was 43 years ago. Im not saying Philbin isnt a good coach. He just reminds me of Cam a little. And I despise Cam Cameron. But im also not gonna annoint him as the second coming till he shows me something.
what has this team/front office/coaches done the last 10 years to deserve optimism? I like to think of myself as a realist, not a pessimist
No, not at all. I just don't understand someone who is fighting so hard on these forums to get people to see our WRs suck, but doesn't actually know anything about those WRs.
Steve Ross, Jeff Ireland & Joe Philbin haven't been here for 10 years. I don't think they've been here for that combined.
How long have you been watching the Dolphins? It doesn't matter who has been in charge, its been the same garbage. Same old Dolphins. Am I to believe that this is gonna be any different? Show me is all I have to say.
I know as much about them as any fan who has watched them play. So, are you saying we have an awesome group of receivers? What gives you any indication that any.of them will be any good?
Jake Long takes over the hottest wife competition. I like Philbin's personality and how he handled the various situations w/Chad, the dick haircut, etc. Where's Wake? I saw him for about 5sec so far. Chris Hogan needs to get a few shots with the 1s and 2s, at least. Les Brown looks toast. I don't expect much from Egnew. Clay on the other hand, will hopefully be a big contributor. Mama said Jeff Ireland is the devil.
Are you serious? It most definitely matters who is in charge, in every aspect of business may it be sports or non-sports it matters, its nonsense to say otherwise.
Well, it's different for one. That alone should merit some optimism.... or at least a neutral stance from fans, no?
Since 1982. Regardless, i don't see the point of blaming Ross or Ireland or Philbin for the team before they were even here. I never said they were good. I just don't understand you're desire to scream about how bad they are and you don't how bad they are. There are people on this site qualified to say how bad they are. They aren't fighting to prove it to anyone though.
But they're not the same people. All you're saying is that you don't know anything so you're not trusting anybody. There's nothing inherent in the Dolphin name that makes all their evaluation abilities identical. It's like saying that a flipped fair coin that had a run of heads will be heads again. Factually that is not an accurate statement. I'm saying that as I evaluated the WRs, I see enough talent to reasonably expect somebody to emerge. That is what history showed us GB did with their WR corp.
Respectfully, it does matter; otherwise it's like saying the Miami Dolphins name & logo run the organization rather than the actual people who have been in charge.
