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Should Ryan Tannehill Start the Regular Season?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by shouright, Aug 17, 2012.

Should Ryan Tannehill Start the Regular Season?

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  2. No

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  1. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I'm going to do another poll like this after tonight's game.

    My thinking on starting rookie QBs is this: there are two things to consider here. One of course is the QB's ability. The other is the overall context, which consists of all of the factors surrounding the QB.

    I think Ryan Tannehill has as much ability to play well in the NFL as any rookie QB.

    However, there are contextual factors that argue both for and against starting him.

    The contextual factor in his favor is that he knows the offense. Obviously that's huge, and I suspect it's a big reason why he's playing so well in camp.

    There are several contextual factors working against him, however. The main ones are that his defense and the guys catching the ball from him look to be comparatively weak.

    That's an issue because opposing teams stand to score a lot against our defense, which puts Ryan Tannehill in a position of having to pass the ball a lot -- to a weak receiving corps -- to bring this team back from large scoring deficits.

    I wish I had time to do the research on it, but I'd like to compare rookie starting QBs historically based on the strength of their defense and running game. I suspect that rookie QBs who play well have comparatively strong defenses, which allow them to run the ball, and comparatively strong running games.

    Ben Roethlisberger and Joe Flacco come to mind here.

    The idea of course is to keep the pressure off the rookie QB. To keep him from having too great a role in the offense at a time when he's still adjusting to the NFL.

    I'm afraid that contextual factor on this particular team would make starting Ryan Tannehill a bad idea, though of course I'd love to be wrong.
     
  2. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    My main concern is that if you start him and he struggles, what do you do? Once you pull him, you lower his confidence to succeed and hamper his long term outlook.. How many successful NFL QB's have been pulled during their rookie years? If you stick with him and he gets beat up, it is no guarantee that he will get better. Think David Caar.

    It's a catch 22. I let him sit, after all Moore did a good job leading this team last year. If the team struggles after the first 6-8 weeks, put him in. He has had half a season to absorb information and true NFL game speed from the sidelines.
     
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  3. finserg

    finserg Well-Known Member

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    I think any player selected first round 1-10 should be able to start the season or to me is a waste of pick.I nobody just my opinion
     
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  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    A couple years back I saw a study that showed there was no long term difference in QB's who started their rookie season versus those who sat. The only difference is that those who sat had more immediate impact in their first year starting (IE A guy who starts his rookie season has worse stats that one year than a guy whos first season starting comes after sitting) but even that trend was small and again not long term.

    If he looks ready, start him.
     
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  5. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I appreciate the thought, but I need to see more before I answer either way personally.
     
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  6. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    It could be the case though that if you controlled for the variables of strength of defense and running game, you might see a dramatic difference, as in QBs who play well as rookies have strong defenses and running games. And playing well as rookies might predict how well they played over the course of their career, as in getting their career off on the right foot and having that contribute favorably to their confidence, etc.

    I'm just wary of starting Ryan Tannehill's career off by putting him in a position where he has to pass the ball a ton, to a group of very mediocre or worse receivers.
     
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  7. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You could probably add in TJ Yates to Ben and Flacco. Yates played pretty well in the playoffs last year.

    I voted yes because if the QB is ready you can stunt his development by not playing him. If hes ready and the best QB on the roster then he deserves to play.
     
  8. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    GREAT NEWS! We have identified the divisive topic this board will argue about all year!!!!
     
  9. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Would love to see that study. Do you remember who did it?
     
  10. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Goes very well with....

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  11. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    With Garrards injury, and with Chad J being rightly cut.....it sets the stage to make the most sense to let this season be the best possible learning/experience season for this offense....Tannehill as QB, and all the young receivers getting the most reps. If this turns out to be the case, I also think it sends a message to the OL to say, take on this leadership role and dominate to give this young crew the time they need, and of course send the message to Reggie and the other backs that you can shine and help this young group as well when your number is called. Its win-win-win! The D just has as much to play for and really be the glue to hold it all together. I like the atmosphere for all 53 this move would send.

    If Ryan shines tonight....absolutely no reason to argue or take the position that he should not be the starting QB. Just let it happen and let it be a measuring stick to build on for following seasons with added talent, etc.

    I think Dolphins FO wants to ship Moore for draft picks (especially if Garrard didnt get injured), and with Devlin capable of wearing his hat backwards (if they choose to ship off Moore prior to DG's return) on the sidelines till D. Garrard returns, and then D. Garrard being the VET just watching and educating what he sees during the course of a game to help Tannehill, its a solid plan and rationale.

    Tonight will be fun to see how much PRESSURE Tannehill puts on himself.
     
  12. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    I think what you're saying is true for sure. Variables play into it and it's impossible to eliminate them all. I just think some guys have it and some don't though at the end of the day.

    Jamarcus Russell wasnt going to succeed if he sat ten seasons. Peyton Manning wasn't going to be any better if he sat even though his team was terrible. Henne (not a first round QB but relevant to our franchise) sat and was drilled to death on his flaws. Still couldn't cut it. Eli Manning played 9 games his rookie season and basically threw like Tim Tebow (48%) but it didn't ruin him.

    I really believe there is no rule of sit vs start. It all depends on the player you are handling.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Is the defense really expected to be that bad? I'm not sure I see it.

    I think another factor we need to look at is the schedule. This is a pretty damn easy schedule we have, and I think that is something that will help out a rookie QB.

    Either way, when it comes down to it, draft pedigree and being a rookie should go out the window at this point. Letting the team know that coaches' decision making will be influenced by those things sends a bad message IMO.
     
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  14. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Sadly no. Someone posted it in a thread on this site a long time back...I think around the time we drafted Henne. Ive looked for it myself so I could analyze it further for variables and such. I'm 100000000% sure it exists though.
     
  15. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Yes, you start him. If he starts the season 0-10 you stick with him. If he sets the NFL record for most INT's in a year, you stick with him. This season doesn't matter. You get the guy you drafted 8th overall the experience he needs so that when the team around him is good, he'll be ready.
     
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  16. Fin-Omenal

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    A headbanger pointing at his head with his fingers in gun form gets it....why cant you guys?
     
  17. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Bone up on your movie history, bro.
     
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  18. Fin-Omenal

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    Can ya just tell me? I used a search engine for headbanger and didnt see anything.
     
  19. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    First of all, it's Robert De Niro. That should narrow it down.
     
  20. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You talkin' to me?

    Sent from my SGH-T959V using Tapatalk 2
     
  21. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I'd like to take you to a movie. *goes to Porno theater*
     
  22. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    I'd also like to reiterate that yes, Tannehill should be the starter.
     
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    He has only played one preseason game but if he is constantly good in all his preseason performances then I don't see why he shouldn't.
     
  24. Fin-Omenal

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    Ahh. Meet The Parents...gotcha
     
  25. ToddPhin

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    I wouldn't mind seeing the new offense, new blocking scheme, and new player additions gel just a little bit before putting him in. Perhaps till week 6. However, if the offense isn't looking like a liability and the transition to Philbin's system seems to be happening throughout preseason, then I wouldn't be opposed to RT starting week 1.

    I'm less concerned about Tannehill starting week 1 than I am the guys around him in a new system making life more difficult than it should be for a rookie.
     
  26. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Did he take a taxi to meet them?
     
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  27. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Hopefully I'm wrong, but to me it appears that teams are gonna pretty much pass at will on this team.
     
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  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Based on?
     
  29. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    It beats the Henne and Sparano threads.
     
  30. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    The last preseason game. The defensive backfield is a mess IMO.
     
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The first preseason game, with no game planning is your basis the secondary is going to suck? Doesn't that seem overly reactionary?
     
  32. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    The players in the secondary aren't very good IMO. You have Sean Smith back there, who's inconsistent as hell and can't tackle, Richard Marshall who might be slightly above average as a corner, and two safeties who have never done anything in the league and weren't drafted any higher than the fifth round, either of them.

    And that's how they looked last week IMO. I'm not expecting much from that group.
     
  33. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    No doubt.
     
  34. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I feel like I woke up in a world that seems normal but small things don't make sense anymore.

    Between people acting like pre season games matter to Philbin being critiqued poorly for the way he fired Chad to how eating Chic-Fil-A has become a statement of faith....I just feel like the world is running around loopy with arms akimbo while hopped up on goofballs.
     
  35. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    It's very simple: the players aren't good, and that's how they looked last week. Nothing bizarre there.
     
  36. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    We have the vast majority of our defense back, and they weren't horrible the last 9 games of last year. How is that erased by one non game planned first preseason game? The thought process seems crazy to me.
     
  37. Eop05

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    25th ranked pass Defense last year.

    That's not good. And they didn't look good in preseason game 1.

    So based on the past 17 games the Miami Dolphins have played, the pass D has not looked good. That a little better?
     
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  38. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    And you can add a regressed Vontae Davis and an absent Yeremiah Bell to that equation.
     
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  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    i voted no... so that i can vote yes after tonight's game... Bring it RT!!!! RyTan clan, #finsup!
     
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  40. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I'm actually surprised the voting is so equal right now. I figured the "Yes" votes would be off and running.
     

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