Do You Agree With the Trade of Vontae Davis for a 2nd?

Ties all the way back to the perception of the front office and Ireland. There must be truth to it. Does Ireland get rattled easy over personel issues and think emotionally rather than logically? This move makes no sense at all, VD is under a rookie contact and has shown that he can be a top talent in the league. Instead, we will probably draft another failed OL.

 

No, it means we should have included Ireland for Ryan Grigson as part of the trade.

 

That would be nice, but I think you are dreaming.

 

Vontae was benched by one coaching staff and demoted by the second. The facts are that he's the #3 CB on this team, and by all accounts, they didn't even trust him enough to try him outside in practice for several weeks.

Unless you think Philbin and Coyle are full of it and should be fired (which, of course, would be your prerogative), it's pretty silly to blame Ireland for trading a CB his staff obviously could do without for what's essentially a premium return.

 

Don't forget Philip Merling.

 

When they brought in Marshall, I think they basically had decided that either Smith or Davis would be moved out. Davis lost...He has not, since being drafted, been any better than 'good'. He's got all the potential in the world and 'should' be an elite player, however, he hasn't shown that here yet. He's been great at times and struggled much too much of the time while here. On the face, this doesn't look like a great move because it's likely that we simply are not a better team today without VD than we were with him. His presence won't make a difference in our record this season, good or bad. Whether it turns out as a good move depends on what they do with those picks... That we have to wait and see on. But losing VD doesn't affect the overall talent level on this team since he just hasn't gotten 'it' since he's been here...Even Sparano and crew benched him a time or two over the past couple of years because of his inconsistency...

I don't see this as a bad move....yet. I do see this as another sign that this is Philbin's team. He is pretty sure about who and what type of player he wants here....Seriously, BMarshall, CJ85 and now Davis...see a connection there ?? All guys that despite having the necessary talent, just didn't put it all together on the field or in the locker room for us... I don't know if it's bad moves, but it's setting a tone that unrealized potential won't be tolerated here...

 

Maybe in your dreams or in Madden.

 

It's good news for Davis. At least he's going to a team that's trying to improve as quickly as possible.

 

I was going to include Merling, but he was the 32nd pick in the draft and therefore he was considered the last pick of the first round. Of course he was a bust as a draft pick, but he was a first round bust, not a second round bust.

 

He is capable of being a bonafide #1. My TV didn't show him getting beat consistently. You must have some sort of special TV. We had good depth at a critical position. Now we are an injury away from crap.

 

So, we are expecting the carpenter who built our house shoddily the first time, to be in charge of doing all the repairs?

 

He might be under a rookie contract, but it's a pre-new CBA deal. We get $2.7M in cap space for making this move, I think.... If that figure is right, it's not quite as bad a move...I think until another move is made we can't really judge this one because, like it or not, VD wasn't a starter for us... And he's been benched by the previous staff, so there's a history that warrants moving him out, for the right price...Naturally, the right price won't be known until we see what he does with the picks...

BTW, here's where my figure came from....http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/vontae-davis/

 

Actually there is still the possibility of trading down into the 3rd round... as uuuuuge.

 

I am not sure how Davis came out the loser. If anything, he came out the winner. He is going to a team and an owner who has already shown in the past that he knows how to hire the right people to build a winning organization. They have a first year QB who many feel is the best QB to come into the league since Peyton Manning was drafted by the Colts with the first pick in the draft.
I think the Colts will be in the playoffs in a year or two and Davis will be the one getting the last laugh. Especially when you consider that he is leaving a team that seems to be going nowhere but down at this time.

 

Joe Philbin and Kevin Coyle beg to differ. Mind you, you don't have to agree with them, but you gotta eat your cake: either they're just not capable to properly evaluate CBs (in which case we don't have a GM but a coaching problem) or they demoted a guy they really liked as a bonafide starter to #3 (in which case we don't have a GM but a coaching problem).

Also, can I buy your TV?

 

YES! My reasons:

Good riddance!

 

Just because Philbin and Coyle didn't like him, doesn't mean that he isn't a solid CB. The Colts obviously think highly of Davis or they would not have traded the picks they did for him. The fact is that Coyle has never been a DC in the NFL and Philbin has never been a HC anywhere. So it is Philbin and Coyle who have a lot to prove to the fans of the Dolphins. Davis on the other hand will now be the responsibility of the coaches for the Colts.

 

Practically speaking I agree, but technically, the 1st round only had 31 picks that year because of the Pats losing theirs.
I maybe wrong, but if you looked up Merling's official draft status, it will say he was the 1st pick of Round 2 and 32nd overall both.

 

Koa Misi still an Eagle Scout? Randy Starks? Jimmy Wilson? Bess?

 

That's not important? The facts are you cannot field a successful defense without a good nickel corner. They're on the field for more snaps than the 3rd LB.

 

No, it doesn't. But it means that your coaching staff doesn't particularly want the dude. So you're either left with getting rid of the coaching staff you just hired or getting rid of the player they don't want while you're still able to collect good value for him. Unless you're on the "fire Philbin" bandwaggon, I hardly see any fault on Ireland's part.

 

Well, truthfully, if Ireland is aggressive about moving up to get elite talent in the 2013 draft I have no problem with this.

It was HORRIBLY shortsighted of them to do this before extending Sean Smith though. Now Smith can demand to be overpaid. Either we end up paying him more than if we had negotiated while having Vontae on the roster, or we let Smith go and have only one decent CB which is a terrible long term plan since you'd have to use the pick we got to get a corner anyways.

 

I totally agree. Davis will come out of this smelling like a rose. I'll bet anyone that the Colts reach the playoffs again sooner than the Dolphins will.

 

It feels like a fact that how the Dolphins do in the 2013 draft will now determine if we are good soon or suck for another three to four years.

 

All the first round picks, with the pumped up kicks

better run, better run...outrun my gun

 

Let's trade the 2nd for one of those GMs.

 

I disagree with your assumption. If the coaching staff knew of the pending deal, he doesn't sniff the field Friday night.

 

So, they orchestrated this trade did they?

Buying my TV wouldn't help you. Maybe talk to an ophthalmologist about an eye transplant.

 

That dice has already been rolled. It's called Tannehill. The only question (after: is he good enough?) will be whether or not we're capable to surround him with some premium talent starting next season. And I'd rather have a 2nd round selection than Vontae Davis to do so. Even with Ireland's shaky draft record.

 

You don't think there is any issue banking on potential going into a players fourth year? Especially when the arrow is pointing down?

Do you realistically think that there was a better chance Davis would improve then he would stay the same or decline during the lifetime of his contract? Would it have been better to carry him as a third corner and likely have decreased trade value, or even no value for him if he had a void-able 5th year?

 

Let's be honest here, Ireland quite simply cannot bring himself to make good choices in the draft.

Think about all of the talent he has passed on, consistently, to take"his" guy who winds up being okay, meanwhile the Matthews and Graham's are making pro bowls.

 

Let's see:

- He's the #3 CB on the team

- But he's a bonafide #1 CB!

- He's still the #3 CB on the team. Says the coach. And the DC.

- Oh, so they orchestrated the trade??

- *chuckles*

Can I have your eyes then, by the way?

 

If you consider him a good corner, there really isn't any polite reply I can make to you in that regard.
The facts are our CB contingent is overall much less talented now. But we don't care, because we are rebuilding!!! Again!!! Yippee!!! The reassuring part though is the foreman on this rebuild project is the dude who played a major role in screwing it up the last time.

 

Like Richard Marshall isn't better than anyone else in last years secondary.

 

Oh, but that was all Parcells' fault. Ireland was just his errand boy, running to fetch his coffee in those days.

 

Id rather have Vontae as he is NOW than to trust Ireland with another 2nd round pick! Vontae's upside, age, and contract are just a bonus.

 

And we know that how? Remember Benny Sapp and his nickle cover skills? Id rather have Camarillo back lol!