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This is how inept Jeff Ireland is...

Discussion in 'SoapBox - Rants forum' started by LBsFinest, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    So we finally take a QB in the first round, which I'm sure pleased our owner along with a ton of the fans, and raised Ireland's approval rating some after he took a hit in the offseason with all the whiffs on the big names and such.

    It was a perfect fit, not only did you provide a ray of hope to a QB-starved, rabid fan base, but your 1st rounder was given the luxury of rejoining with his college coach and system to go along with a bright head coach who played an integral role in preparing and developing arguably the best QB in football.

    forget about what he asked about Dez Bryant's mom, forget about how he couldn't even get the single most important draft pick of his career into training camp on time over something so silly it was laughable. none of that is really important today amid this rebuilding process.

    what's important is that all that was needed from this sure-to-be depressing year was Tannehill being properly developed while showing some flashes, some promise, some hope, and then Ireland's job was safe. that's probably all Stephen Ross and lot of fans here wanted to take away from this season.

    and what are two of the most important necessities to developing a QB?

    1) supplying him with good protection.

    2) supplying him with good weapons to throw to.

    and lo and behold, with his job on the line, Ireland has failed miserably at providing either one.

    the right side of the line is a mess just like last season since we have no RG and a weakling left tackle trying to play right tackle. and it's pretty clear that Tannehill has no one to throw to but Davone Bess. I mean when your OC says, "I think we'll keep Bess. I can pretty much guarantee that, but there's only one of him..." **** is BAD.

    Ireland knew he was drafting a QB in this draft, he could have signed an established weapon for that QB to throw to, even just one! that would leave him the draft to focus on other needs. he could have signed Mario Manningham, Meachem, Brandon Lloyd, even Laurent Robinson. these guys are playmakers that wouldn't have even cost much. instead he signed Legadu Naanee.

    then he went into the draft with this shining set of receivers on the roster:

    Roberto Wallace, Naanee, Hartline, Bess, Pruitt, Marlon Moore, Gates.

    and yet he still waited until the 6th round to address the position. this situation is nothing short of pathetic at this point. LOL I mean seriously, how dumb of a GM do you have to be knowing that Tannehill's progression is the most important factor affecting your job security and you proceed to surround him with a shaky offensive line, the absolute WORST group of WRs that any team has to offer, and average at best tight ends? does Ireland not think that this will hinder his growth? Is he trying to get fired? if so he could just do us all a favor and resign, Brian Gaine could take over until Ross and Philbin convince some executive from Green Bay's front office to take the job.
     
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  2. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i' m pretty sure we know how you feel about Jeff Ireland by now
     
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  3. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    soapbox
     
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  4. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    well of course but I'm just trying to understand his logic in this scenario, a promising season from his rookie QB almost negates the owner's and fans frustration over a 5 win season and would buy Ireland at least another year. but now we're probably looking at 4-6 wins with Tannehill struggling because his teammates fail him all season.

    I see he tried to pry TY Hilton away from the Colts in the Vontae trade so at least he's trying to bring in SOME help...but how could he even let it get to THIS point given all the opportunities he had?
     
  5. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    well maybe he just believed one of our guys would step up, where do you got the info the he wanted TY Hilton, havent seen this yet ?
     
  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I pooped today.
     
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  7. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    If there was an award for worst threads started in 2012......
     
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  8. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    What are you talking about and please take your homer glasses off..Everything he said is true with the only fact he left out is they did sign chad johnson coming off a whopping 15 rec season with one the best qbs in history throwing him the ball.
     
  9. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

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    There were facts? I thought this was a rant, and they usually have a lot of stuff in them, and most times it isn't facts.
     
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  10. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Does it matter that rant or not, he has several valid points?? Guess it depends on if your in the Ireland is misunderstood camp.
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    There are virtually no facts in the OP.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think you said that in another thread already yesterday. Did this one trump that other one?
     
  13. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    I'm pretty sure that was awhile ago, but I think it was for the same OP, so it's still applicable.

    and to elaborate, my sarcasm was only due in small part to the content, and more to the point of the same statements being spewed by the same poster ad nausem. and to start a thread, saying nothing new, same stuff, all within a rant, is very tiresome.
     
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  14. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    Jeff Ireland...where have I heard that name before?
     
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  15. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ireland didn't think Tannehill would be starting this year?

    Just playing devils advocate. Whatever Ireland's intentions, the facts are that our receivers and offensive line have been doing a poor job this preseason.
     
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  16. Fin-Omenal

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    Ireland is horsedung
     
  17. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Those are not facts in any sense of the word.
    - I can counter with Bess has been playing well, but our backup WRs behind Bess and hartline are doing poorly.
    - 3/5 of our offensive line is set and will likely play very well this season (barring further injuries). J Jerry is at least showing some promise to get his big butt in gear, leaving a wide-eyed rookie at RT with some serious growing pains.

    -I do agree that Ireland deserves criticism for not upgrading our WR corps
    - he drafted the pass-catching TE we were all crying for and most of us were pretty excited about Egnew when he was drafted.
    -We all cried about having the turnstyle that is V Carey at RT. Ireland drafted Martin, and again, most of us were pretty excited. I still think he develops into a decent RT, but it may take awhile.
    -We all cried about our sh**ty QB situation, Ireland drafted Tannehill and only the most cynical can find a way to criticize the pick
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  18. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I agree with gandalfin. The WRs as a group are not doing well. Bess is his usual self, but it takes more than 1 to make a receiving corps. The OL ideally is supposed to be a cohesive unit that works together in unison to accomplish their goal. The OL as a unit are held back by their weakest links. 3/5s of an OL is a good start, but their efforts will be minimized if the other 2/5s are not holding up their end of the bargain.
     
  19. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    As opposed to the unrealistic expectations camp from the Madden Trading Frenzy crowd?????? Hmmmmmm. Don't see any of us here running a football team, yet there are a lot of people who seem to thrive on the Walter Mitty daydream life of "I could do better than that." Anyone on this board REALLY have an insiders information into the flow of player data and reports in the league? Any one here get phone calls from agents talking about how much Player X wants to come on board your team? Anyone here have a phone list of the agents for the free-agent players this year? Can you call them and get in a few seconds the parameters of a possible deal? Can anyone here assess the effect that transaction will have on any team? If that is the case, why are so many here posting on this board as if they KNOW exactly what should have been done when their real calling in life is to be a player who has become a scout and has risen through the ranks to a decision making position?

    If you want to rant fine. If you have differences of opinion, fine. If you want to post on the board, fine. If you want to assume that anyone who has a different position than you is a poor misguided fool who has the IQ of wet paint - uh uh! [By the way, this is just what is wrong with a great proportion of the country today. Differing opinions are never a cause to castigate another person or call them foul (or less demeaning) names. Watch what is happening in the political arena.]

    Oh, and don't assume that I am in the Ireland camp? I am in the Dolphins camp, and Ireland is the Manager the Dolphins Camp owner has stuck with for the duration. Along with that, a lot of new coaches who have an entirely different perspective of what the composition of a football team needs to be. I have not seen anywhere in real life a 'do-over' button which allows you to go back to scratch and change everything all at once with any components you wish. To base an evaluation of an individual and his or her performance without knowing the parameters of the job and the full operating conditions of the position is to be an outsider looking in with a vague hint of an idea of how the task is actually performed. What information we are getting is just a report of the results filtered through a media interested in sales and profits. Is it better to allow one's self to be manipulated by the forces around and take the easy way out in the frustration of the situation with an emotionally satisfying knee jerk reaction, or rather is it better to take the harder way of gathering all the information, evaluating it based on known actions (not speculative) and actually engage the problem (albeit from a limited perspective) with consideration and an awareness that there are huge unknowns - those always mysterious factors operating behind the scenes which outsiders never see.
     
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  20. Fin-Omenal

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    Didnt read....




    Lol
     
  21. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    So many Owner, GM, HC experts on this forum its hard to keep track sometimes.
     
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  22. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Im not an expert on waste management, but i can recognize a bag of trash when i see one.
     
  23. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    No, you recognize what you think is a bag of trash, but without opening it up and looking inside and knowing why someone is deciding to toss something away, its all guess work and just a label to make you think you have a clue.

    One man's trash is often another man's treasure for this very reason - from antiques, to damage items but fixable, to products that are consumed and no longer solve your need, but may solve someone elses....but carry on, its quite entertaining I am sure.

    :hi5:
     
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  24. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Inside the bag is another subpar season, with a talentless roster. Thats the evidence the giy in charge for supplying us with this product, is not very good at his job.

    But carry on defending a guy who will field another subpar bottom teir team. Should be entertaining im sure.
     
  25. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Leave Ross out of this...:tongue2:

    I am not defending anyone, I am just not blaming anyone with guess work. Honestly, nothing to blame as its just a football organization that we witness from a far. Zero insight and actual knowledge of events.
     
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  26. Fin-Omenal

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    Exactly. So what's the evidence we have? The product on the field. And I dont need to tell you what that is/was.
     
  27. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan Maximum Effort

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    problem is, we have not seen the finished product on the field, and yet you berate it. Preseason if not what we might enter the season with, so it is not a finish product.
     
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  28. Ohio Fanatic

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    valid points MrC, but my point was that our 2 starting WRs are not that bad and we are trying to develop youth behind them. we add a J Jones and it's a decent, but not great, but certainly not awful unit. We add someone like D Bowe, and it looks a lot better.

    My POV on Oline is different. I think our Oline at end of this season will be fine, but it's going to be rough going in the early part of the season.
     
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  29. ToddPhin

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    Oh yeah? Then how do you explain that girl you took home the other night?

























    :tongue2:
     
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  30. LBsFinest

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    lol oh I'm sure he did, one of the many times his evaluations have been wrong.

    Armando reported it yesterday.
     
  31. texasPHINSfan

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    This seems to be a glass half-full versus glass half-empty thread.

    The funny thing is both sides are correct. You can disagree with the manner in which the OP is making his claims, but the facts are our WR corps and our O-line are still collective messes. The proof is in the pudding - watch them play. Can't make a final judgement until the season is over, sure, but we as fans can make judgements as the season progresses based on games played. To ignore that the preseason happened, or to discount it completely because "it's the preseason" would be naive - and I'd say it was rather dour.

    You can say the preseason isn't the most definitive indicator of how a team will play in the regular season, but unless you think we'll suddenly start making our blocks at the line and the WRs will suddenly start getting open, there are valid concerns here. How many teams have played poor football all preseason then stormed through the regular season? Probably a much smaller sample size than teams that sucked during the preseason that also struggled during the regular season.
     
  32. Fin-Omenal

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    I'd take a trash bag at this point, times are tough.
     
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