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Did your perception of Vontae Davis change after Hard Knocks?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by RickyNeverInhaled, Aug 28, 2012.

  1. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I know, but still. He shows more love to his grandmother than probably many do to mom.

    Lot'a moms watching this show who immediately called their son and were like, "you see that Vontae Davis? Now he's a good kid! Why can't you be like that?! He's obviously not too busy to call his grandma in the middle of a trade, but you send me to voicemail when the game is coming on :pity:?"
     
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  2. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    After you made the ridiculous comment of: "And I am okay with this trade because we have better corners that know how to work." Who are these better corners that will take Davis' place? Next in line on the depth chart is Lawrence, so you seem to have a very high opinion of him.
     
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  3. CD13

    CD13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nice way of providing perspective, but in my eyes he looked like a child. And that immaturity probably got him traded.
     
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  4. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    i also felt bad for him and i wish him all the best moving forward

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  5. RGF

    RGF THE FINSTER Club Member

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    Befor last nights episode I felt Vontae was becoming arrogant and cocky on the field for no reason. I thought that was just his nature and his antics were growing thin with me. I respected his talent but the other distractions were unnecessary. After watching the show I came away feeling really bad for him because I realized he`s more emotional then arrogant. I felt bad for Vontae, the person. I wish him well.
     
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  6. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    His eyes were weird, he looked stoned.
     
  7. arsenal

    arsenal Sunglasses and advil

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    i feel the same as i always felt about Vontae... in interviews or twitter you can kind of gauge his maturity level and its never been very high, he doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed...

    but i always liked him as a player, yet with the value we got for him when there was no way we were resigning both him and Smith, i was all for the trade...
     
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  8. fin13

    fin13 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you think Vontae figure that out.
     
  9. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No you don't.

    It's one thing to love his grandmother enough to want to call her to tell her immediately. It's another completely to interrupt an exit interview that will be shown on television to do it. That's completely inappropriate for a grown man. I wouldn't expect it from a high school kid.

    I'm very close to my grandmother too, but I can conduct myself like a man when I've been given bad news.
     
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  10. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    In fairness, I don't think you can call it an "exit interview" because Vontae wasn't prepared for it as such, and he was just learning of his "exit" in that very moment.

    Regardless, however, his reaction IMO was highly unusual and indicative of tremendous immaturity.

    What it says to me is that he hasn't developed the adult capacity to perceive oneself in the moment. He doesn't have the ability to take a bird's-eye view of himself in a situation and tailor his behavior to it.

    And I think that has an impact on his game, where he's probably similarly unable to perceive his overall trajectory as a player and how to get it to change for the better, as well as the smaller picture of what he's doing in the moment in games, and how to adjust his play based on the various situations he's confronted with.

    The "takedown" of the Atlanta receiver was a good example IMO, as was the penalty for fighting with Steve Smith, despite Vontae's recent demotion.

    The good news is that the coaching staff seems to have its finger on the pulse of this stuff and is willing to make roster moves based on it. They're not oblivious to what's in the way of a player's improving his game.
     
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  11. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan Maximum Effort

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    I understand what everyone is saying for the most part. The thing I am having trouble with, and maybe someone here can help me with it, is some keep calling him a young kid at 24. I have seen and work with many men in my years in the service. I have seen these so called “kids” and how they have an impact on an overall chemistry of a team. Men with personal accountability tend to shy away from associating them self’s with men like this. Those in the middle are torn between the two. I also don’t buy into the fact he is a victim of being spoiled as an athlete (I am sure he was), but many have come before him that were treated the same way and still did not act this way.
     
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  12. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    What I think he's probably a victim of is an upbringing in which his needs weren't attended to, which prevented him from maturing normally.

    The damage was done long ago IMO. Grandparents can do a bang up job of raising kids, but the question always remains of why the parents weren't doing it.
     
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  13. Alex13

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    well as honest as philbin is, i would not believe he would mention his name if there wasn't any progress in his play, if it is enough remains to be seen
     
  14. jboogie

    jboogie The sky is NOT falling!

    If gramma would have kept him in shape in the off season this wouldn't have happened.
     
  15. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    You said he is/was better than Sean Smith. I'm pointing out that is not the case this year and that's part of the reason why he was traded. Not to mention #31 beating him out of the starting spot.
     
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  16. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I'll take a wager on that. :yes:
     
  17. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    heh... well I think we are all guilty of over-analyzing the trade since we posted in this thread :wink2:
     
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  18. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    no...:wink2:
     
  19. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I would even say that SS's transformation is so significant it magnified VD's lack of change.
     
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  20. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let's not get ahead of ourselves- Sean Smith looked like he screwed his head on straight in 2010 after he got benched and moved to psuedo-safety only to be awful in 2011.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    FTR, I didn't mean his play necessarily I mean his work ethic.
     
  22. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    My perception didn't change. I would rather go into the season with Davis than without him. That being said, I am sick and tired of this team muddling in mediocrity and am willing to give Coach Philbin the latitude to do whatever he deems necessary to fix this mess without micro-managing each and every decision.

    Good luck Vontae, prove that SOB wrong!
     
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  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    IMO, the first bolded paragraph is supposition and then the two examples you give have not been the sort of thing I recall seeing from him the past 3 seasons, so I take them as anomalies not an established behavior pattern.
     
  24. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    What difference does that make? I don't care if Vontae goes to the HOF as long as this team becomes relevant again. And FWIW i was calling Philbin a SOB.:tongue2:
     
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  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Smith and Marshall were currently above Davis and you know that. The 3rd corner/nickel was Davis and the 4th was Carroll. Now, Carroll is the nickel and the 4th is Lawrence today, and after that, who knows.
    Smith/Marshall/Carroll/Lawrence is NOT a better group of corners than Smith/Marshall/Davis/Carroll.
    To say we have a more talented group of corners now without Davis is a fallacy, and you know that, or you should. The decent depth we had is basically gone now, and we are one injury away from a complete train wreck at cornerback.

    I agree, we probably could not have signed both Smith and Davis to big new contracts. But Davis wasn't going to be a UFA in 2013 was he? So, they wouldn't need to be resigned in the same off season, right? Also, I'd have liked to seen how they both do in the 2012 regular season before deciding which one is more worth resigning if it can be only one of them.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think phinsational is betting me already. Not sure though, as he response was mixed with joking. The bet I suggested to him is the loser buy the winner a 1 yr Club Level subscription. If he does not really want to bet me, then I'd be willing to bet you.
     
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  27. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Now you are talking about something different. You said before you're ok with the trade because we have better corners (without Davis), who know how to work. Our corners, as in our entire group of corners, is not better now, without Davis in the group.
     
  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Anyone else agree that Polian had something to do with info getting sent to the colts..I mean Ireland was adamant when he said,"look, you called me"...Polian had just watched Vontae in practice recently, and had glowing remarks.

    Polian I'm sure saw the awesome talent we all can see, but does he know about his gramma?

    Sorry, too soon?
     
  29. firedan

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    I felt worse for the fans than I did for VD.Disappointing end for another high draft pick,he wasn't bad but I feel he could have been much better.He may be better with a new team.
     
  30. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You know I gotta say both of you, Aqua and Mr C, are debating this and both are making outstanding arguments. This is just one of those things where right now, with what we know, there are pretty equal potential advantages and disadvantages to this move. My biggest concern is having faith that when the time comes for Ireland to draft or acquire a player with that 2nd round pick, that he will be able to obtain a player that will have made the move an overall net gain for the team. That's my biggest concern.
     
  31. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    You're taking it out of context, Dis.
    I was referring strictly to his relationship with his grandmother, not the actual interruption incident itself.
    Was merely throwing a silver lining into a bad situation.
     
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  32. Fin D

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    I dunno, didn't they fire Polian?
     
  33. Mcduffie81

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    It was a genuine reaction. Youre gonna fault him for that?

    Here! Ill give you a big pat on the back for maturing faster than Vontae Davis.
     
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  34. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Maybe my opinion of Vontae is too high, but I really don't consider that getting "blown away". Two 2nd's? A 2nd and TY Hilton (which Ireland asked for)? Yeah, that blows me away. But how is getting a 2nd, when you drafted a guy with a 1st round pick 4 years ago, getting "blown away"?

    Remember that draft picks are liquid assets. Vontae was/is a pretty damned good player who was still relatively young. Ireland basically said as much when he said "You're putting me through the anguish of having to do this again" which I took to mean finding another CB though the draft. I could be wrong on that, but that's what I took from it. So if that's the case, he got fair value, but again, value doesn't mean much when you're talking picks.
     
  35. NJFINSFAN1

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    If they watched Hard Knocks they knew the Dolphin staff was not happy with him.
     
  36. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes..but there could be mild communication still between Polian and Irsay..shooting the sh&$ kinda stuff.
     
  37. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    It would be pretty stupid to not let the 2012 season play out before making a decision on whether to resign him or not, or decide if he fits in the long term plans, or not.

    So, the Colts are going to realize he's not in their long term plans pretty soon too? That statement is total supposition. Most forum members seem to wish him well with the Colts. Then here you are predicting he'll flop. :sad:
     
  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    My biggest concern right now, is the roster, specifically the defensive backfield, is weaker as a group without Davis. Right now. We still have a season to play before worrying about the next draft. Of course some people are going to decide after watching preseason, that oh well, we're not going anywhere anyway.
     
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  39. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Hopefully there's less holes to fill than most of us think come next draft. If only one WR of the bunch steps up it would sure help.
     
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  40. gandalfin

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    Well, that (the bolded) was one of Aqua's arguments. He's probably right but you never know. I've been around too long to view preseason as a harbinger of anything.

    What you said was one of my initial concerns. We lose Vontae and get nothing in return for a whole year unless Ireland can get a player of at least equal value this year. I think that's highly unlikely. I was really against this move to begin with. When I saw Philbin on board I felt a little better, but it's up to Ireland to make it up. I'm not holding my breath.
     
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