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Merged: Vontae Davis wants to phone home on 'Hard Knocks'

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by xphinfanx, Aug 29, 2012.

  1. gandalfin

    gandalfin Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I certainly can't argue with that. There were the initial rumors following Irsay's tweets about Vontae being involved in a trade, but then the rumors were pretty much squelched. I can tell you when I heard the news, I was shocked and had a sinking feeling when I heard it and I'm not the one being traded, so I can imagine how Vontae felt. I hated the move initially and still am not happy about it, but what's done is done. I imagine Vontae's feeling the same way by now.

    I did have a little more understanding about the trade when I heard Vontae on HK wanting to call his grandmother at that point in the meeting. IMO it did validate some of the statements about his lack of maturity. It was certainly inappropriate.
     
  2. Gametyme

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    I'm still trying to figure out how it was inappropriate for'himto call him mom. **** em just traded you I would not have gave 2 ****s on anything else coming out their mouth. Me personally I would have laughed in their face for trading me their best DB on the roster. Miami wonders why they have aucked since Dan left. Was he blind sided I tend to think so, but come with the kind of money he makes I'm sure he will be over it after that check comes in. To say he was fired is not true more like transferred.
     
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I fail to see how the magnitude of "weirdness" (however that is measured) in Vontae's response compares to the example you used.

    Vontae's personality and his response were unique but that does not imply mental illness or defect. We're all beautiful snow flakes.
     
  4. jdang307

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    I actually thought he was going to cry, but didn't think he was going to cry. He was shocked. No doubt about it.

    Usually when you expect something, and it happens you're almost nodding your head before the guy is finished with the statement. Or some other form of recognition of, "I was expecting this." Not Vontae. If he was expecting this to happen the conversation with Grandma happens before the meeting.

    Also, I thought I heard this, but did he also say he was going to call his brother? I'll go back and listen. I thought I heard him mumble "brother" as well. But perhaps he was just saying grandmother again.
     
  5. patcobb

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    Vontae Davis, one last thought

    I hate this trade...He probably was my favorite player on the team and why I was a Ireland guy. It still stings. I wish him the best. I didn't want to watch it go down on HK. I don't have HBO, so i watched it online a day later, having read may recaps. I re watched it today and I find it weird that HK never spoke with VD exempt like I'm going to pretend I'm not tired/grand ma thing. Is he that much of a head job that he can't speak on camera for more than 30 seconds? It just seems to me that HK **** blocked him. I wish we had access to everything.
     
  6. Fin D

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    I counted at least 13 last thoughts in your post.
     
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  7. patcobb

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    I just find it weird that he was a 1st round pick, arguably the best of our secondary, he is on HK, gets traded, and we never see anything with him one on one with the camera. Never feel like we got it from his perspective, and because of that, un objective
     
  8. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    This couldn't just be a post in one of the other Vontae trade threads?
     
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  9. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    See that's the thing, he wasn't consistently one of our best secondary folks in a secondary that is suspect, at best...that's why he was traded...

    I can read that you like him a lot, but much of the time, he was just another player...does he have the potential ?? Absolutely, but the guy is still a headcase...one day, perhaps when he grows up, his play will consistently match his physical talent...
     
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  10. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    One question. Would you rather have VD21 or a dramatic change from the mediocrity we have been watching for years?
     
  11. Fin D

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    And that's the thing, we have to stop defending lack of production with the promise of potential.

    Rooks should get 3 years to prove it, Vets should get 2, blockbuster vets should get 1 (all barring injury of course).
     
  12. Mcduffie81

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    :headwall:
     
  13. patcobb

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    I see your point, I just think its weird that he was a polarizing player on this team and Eric Steinback gets like his own huge sub plot who is "the most impressive guy who has sat on this couch" and VD gets made to look like an abs clown. Nothing to even do with his skill or his potential, its just that they really focused on his immaturity and I think he was blind sided.
     
  14. Fin D

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    Beat your head against the wall all you want.

    Davis didn't produce at a consistently high level here.
     
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  15. patcobb

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    I wouldn't describe VD play as mediocre. Its either All pro or half assed. I just think that at 24, given time he could become more consistent...
     
  16. Mcduffie81

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    Produced more than anyone back there even with his consistency problems.

    Knock him all you want. Phins would not part for any less than a 2nd and a 6th for him. Obviously the Colts thought highly of him.
     
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  17. Fin D

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    Who cares if he was the best we had or not (it is debatable, btw), that doesn't mean he was consistently producing at a high level. He didn't develop to meet the expectations and because of that we weren't going to keep investing him come re-up time. Out of the blue we were offered higher compensation then would have got 2 years from now.
     
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  18. Like him or not he is a starter level talent and unless Ireland drafts another starter level talent with that pick (or VD has a personal meltdown that prevents him from being on the field) this move will be another failed decission by this orgazation. There really is no other way to look at this. They weakened this years team, either to dodge a bullet from making a poor choice to draft him to begin with or to make an improvement on next years roster. IMO in order to justify this move they not only have to draft another starter with that pick but they also need to adequately fill the hole they created by trading him. The only thing that would excuse them if that scenerio did not happen is if VD busts. I do not think he is going to bust though. Indy got a good deal.
     
  19. Mcduffie81

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    Who cares if he was the best we had? ME! Every Dolphin fan should!

    You just said it yourself that he has played at a high level (albeit somewhat inconsistently). Has Sean Smith ever played at a high level, let alone consistently? SS just learned how to tackle (we hope)! It remains to be seen if he can catch. Has Marshall ever been consistent with anything here, or on the Cards? Has Carrol been consistently anything?

    We weren't going to re-up him? Is that a fact? Vontae still had another year under contract. Vontaes' ceiling is out of this world. Tons of players take 4-5 years to mature thoroughly (especially when they enter the league at 21)and fully dedicate themselves to their NFL career. It was simply too early to give up on him.

    I think the high compensation the Colts offered had WAY more to do with the trade than your theory of us not re-upping him 2 years from now. I've said it before, but if Ireland doesn't turn that pick into a good WR this year (because he failed to draft a few highly regarded WRs in this years draft) than this whole thing just flat out sucks.


    Why do you defend this trade? You've consistently backed Ireland .....WHY? The picks (in Irelands' hands) hardly qualify as gold when I look at the last 3-4 drafts.
     
  20. princekong2

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    The dolphins always get rid of players without having a suitable replacement for them, usually the better teams in the league always have a potential starter behind that traded player making them expendable, All the dolphins did was create another need for the offseason.
     
  21. WhiteIbanez

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    Colts started low and Ireland knew they were desperate. I think the value was good honestly.
    I'm curious which WR you would like to trade that second round pick for.
     
  22. Fin D

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    Because being the best we had didn't make him good. Jesus.

    I could give a **** sandwich, a puke sandwich and a tuna fish and jelly sandwich. The tuna fish and jelly is the best of the three option but that doesn't make it good.

    And, we know they weren't going to re-up him come contract time because Ireland says it on HK.
     
  23. Mcduffie81

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    I think we got decent value, but I'm not happy with the trade. Good corners are extremely hard to come by. If we have all these picks available to us we need to help our offense (mainly Tannehill) out THIS year.

    Im not privy to everyone on the market and can't make the calls to find out like Ireland can. When Ireland made that trade I assumed he had a guy or 2 on his mind (Bowe or Wallace) who he thought would be available to get with that 2nd, or some other combination of picks. It hasn't happened yet (although it still could). James Jones for a 2nd or 3rd wont pitch my tent.

    If Ireland pulls a GOOD WR out of his hat and fills another MAJOR hole I will be..... satisfied. I am tired of him gathering massive amount of picks and getting mediocre results.
     
  24. Mcduffie81

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    You simply undervalue Davis.

    If he said that, I genuinely missed it. That is not to say that he wouldn't change his mind if Marshall or Carrol flat out suck this year.
     
  25. WhiteIbanez

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    VD didn't get it done. Good talent but low upside.
    Time to move on.
     
  26. Fin D

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    I undervalue him based on what?

    This is his fourth year.
     
  27. Mcduffie81

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    You undervalue his first 3 years . Compare him to a shi*t sandwich if you want. You're wrong.

    I know youre an adamant Jeff Ireland supporter so I don't expect to get anywhere with you on this matter. You're even going to negative extremes with your opinion of Vontae at this point.
     
  28. Fin D

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    I'm not an adamant Ireland supporter. That's how ridiculous this all is. The outlook has moved so far from sane on these boards, that someone who isn't willing to say Ireland is satan yet, is an adamant Ireland supporter.

    His first 3 years were ok. They weren't amazing. Blind homerism is the only thing that says something different. He had flashes of greatness but he didn't achieve that here. He wasn't cut immediately he was given 4 training camps to change his focus and he didn't....and they still weren't planning on getting rid of him right away. They were made an offer not the other way around. They chose to take the value now because 2 years from now that value will probably be lower. He already was demoted.

    He's not a shutdown corner and that's a fact.

    Oh and I didn't compare him to a **** sandwich.
     
  29. shouright

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    When you're rebuilding, that issue is far less of a concern IMO. The 2nd-round pick, on a rebuilding team, means more than the absence of the player without an equal replacement.

    Of course you can argue that Vontae Davis's age fits with a rebuilding team, but as has been said, I think the issue here is that the team's culture is being rebuilt, not only its talent.

    On top of that, I think Nolan Carroll is set to surprise some people with how well he plays this year.
     
  30. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    Yeah, I treat a trade like this just like an injury, you wouldnt have them if injured, so you plug in youth, see if they find a diamond in the rough, and still get the 2nd rounder.....sooner or later, someone has to step up for fans to think "see we didnt know we had a talent like that cause he was a depth chart guy waiting for a chance, etc":lol:
     
  31. gunn34

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    VD WAS replaced. He was replaced by Marshall. He dropped to the nickle back. Carroll has been playing the nickle back position as well as VD has, so we received a 2nd and a 6th for him. Not bad in my book.
     
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  32. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    We need to find DB's and S's that can play the ball in the air....we seem to be the one team that consistently gets lost in space and often trip over ourselves and lose track....and zero ball skills - especially on desperation deep "up for grabs". Its unreal.
     
  33. VanDolPhan

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  34. Coral Reefer

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    Agreed.
    Gives insight into why this guy may not be "getting it" as well.
    Showed a childlike mindset and he always has that "deer in the headlights" look.

    I don't think Vontae will ever put it together and it will be because of his mental make up not because of lack of talent or physical attributes.
    The trade while hurting us a little this year was a good move IMO.
     

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