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Philbin's Poor Body Language and Communication: A Brief Analysis

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by infiltrateib, Sep 1, 2012.

  1. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    He walked away after saying that...
     
  2. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    Philbin's leadership style reminds me a lot of the way that officers interact with enlisted to be honest. He communicates his standards openly with the players and has an open door policy [however awkward some interactions may come off], he is very professional, and he does take measures to ensure that the players do not view him as a buddy. This is why he scolded that player for using the F word when talking to him. That seemed 100% normal to me when I saw it. When you are a soldier you also do not know who is going to end up leading you. You show respect to a rank and position and hopefully with effective leadership you later have the same respect for the individual filling it. Philbin wants that same respect shown for his position of head football coach.

    From my own perspective the dynamic and comradery developed between football players much more resembles a military unit than a corporate office environment. Obviously they are just playing a game but they are in a cut throat business and as a result they develop a strong bond. Another similarity is the amount of testosterone you're dealing with.
     
  3. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Respect is earned.

    How is that for not over analyzing?
     
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  4. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Great point and if Philbin is as football smart as Belichick he will stick around. :up:
     
  5. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    And maybe Jimmy Wilson doesn't respect anyone that much.

    You get all kinds of personalities on these teams.
     
  6. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    That's the key.

    There is a big picture here, and I think it boils down to very simple things.
     
  7. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Which is why you can't compare NFL players to soldiers unquestionly following their leader.
     
  8. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    I'm not quite tracking you here. He seemed to deliver the 'don't speak to me with the F word' message pretty clearly. I don't know how it could have been misinterpreted. If you mean that Jimmy wilson should have already known beforehand I would just say that he's human. The players don't use any filters when talking to each other and stuff is bound to slip out. When I was deployed I cussed a LOT, it took some time to turn off after I got home and was around the kids again.
     
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  9. Fin D

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    Its not that it rested on it, it was the summation of it.

    i don't doubt the bullet points he made are effective in sales, I just disagree with their effectiveness on the football field. He felt Ryan was an example of his point and I felt he was an example of mine. I didn't need as many words or bullets to make my point. You held his beliefs before you read his post, but reading mine caused you to rethink it a little or at least re-read it and see where I was coming from. I'll let you guys debate if that is effective communication or not.:wink2:
     
  10. Finfangirl

    Finfangirl Season Ticket Holder Luxury Box

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    Infil,

    great post, i agree with you on a lot of points. Is it possible that he's so uncomfortable because he knows the camera is there?
     
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  11. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    That is just a stereotype about the military which isn't actually true. There are as many disobedient service members as football players, if not more. People aren't brainwashed. They are essentially just taught to trust and respect their leadership. Interesting that people would think only one type of personality enters the military. Or that boot camp alters people's personalities to such a severe degree.
     
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  12. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I think, with no proof, philbin is just an introvert. Hence, his communication skills aren't up to "par", or external communication may be a bit of a trial for him.
     
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  13. Fin D

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    Ok fine you're right. Football coaches are the same as the corporate bosses. Nothing is different except the water cooler has gatorade.

    Better?
     
  14. Fin D

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    And? Did he just leave the field?
     
  15. muscle979

    muscle979 Season Ticket Holder

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    So are you suggesting that players should be able to treat the head coach any way they want until they decide he meets their standards for holding the position? Come on.
     
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  16. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    In the Jimmy Wilson exchange, I see the point of those who argue that Joe never finished his initial point, therefore he is a bad communicator. He got sidetracked by the F-bomb.
    But since Philbin is still trying to establish basic discipline with this team, perhaps he was communicating effectively. Learn to hold your tongue first, then we'll focus on coverages.

    I could honestly see it either way.
     
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  17. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I never said there was no difference. But people lead differently in every arena. Don't believe me? Look at your leadership style versus a coach. I bet you'll find plenty of similarities.
     
  18. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    HEY EVERYONE ELSE IN THIS THREAD!

    Do see what you get when you show a little love?
     
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  19. Fin D

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    You didn't say it, but you're basically arguing it to make a point that they are analogous.

    How can my style resemble a coach's if the coaches are all unique snowflakes when it comes to communication?
     
  20. Fin D

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    I did pm you a picture of my junk in a bow.
     
  21. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    The Jimmy Wilson thing is getting ridiculously over-analysed here. That was clearly a rhetorical question because obviously Jimmy wasn't doing what he was supposed to. Coach asked him rhetorically if that was man to man in order to call attention to the mistake. Jimmy should have either acknowledge the mistake and not answered, or answered with a "no excuse coach" or "I'll do better coach." Instead he reached for the excuse and used the F-bomb. Philbin simply told him to watch out who he was throwing the F-bombs to. No need to over-analyse this, really.
     
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  22. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Respect is earned. Simple. Let's not over analyze. Or create straw men for that matter.
     
  23. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    analogous means comparable. Not exactly alike.
    I never said they were snowflakes. In fact I've said they are human therefore they lead like other humans.
     
  24. UCF FINatic

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    Have you ever heard of the ASVAB? That test uses people's responses to tell them professions they would be good at. While it is mostly based on people's knowledge it still suggests certain people are more drawn to certain professions than others. I would be willing to bet that if the general population and Armed Forces enlistees were given a personality test there would be a significant difference between the average personalities or personality traits.

    Brainwashing has a negative connotation, so we could say Stockholm Syndrome instead. Basically, they are taught to do whatever is asked of them right away without question. If their leader tells them to jump, they would jump without question (unless the question is "how high?"). Ironically, Stockholm Syndrome is built through certain components of trust and respect (fear). Here is a rundown of Stockholm Syndrome from wikipedia:

    They do this so the soldiers react faster and without hesitation to basic orders. Also, most service members (from what I have read/see) only are disobedient during off time, not during drills.
     
  25. muscle979

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    The basics of good leadership don't change. Styles vary quite a bit. The reason the buddy/buddy thing between leaders and subordinates tends to be frowned upon is because in general as a boss when you do that you are giving a degree of your power away. It is much harder to criticize a friend. It would certainly be a lot harder to fire or demote a friend. You are more comfortable blowing off a friend than a boss. Generally speaking. A subordinate will take advantage of a 'friendship' with a boss and not even realize they're doing it.
     
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  26. Fin D

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    See I thought you said since coaching was a job it is corporate.

    Ok, we're getting close now....what other humans do they lead like, coaches or CEOs?
     
  27. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    There's some in-depth analysis going on here, but there's one huge problem: all of it is based on a selectively edited TV show. A 52 minute TV show focusing on several random subplots occurring over the course of a week does not offer enough straightforward, unedited information to reach some of these sweeping conclusions.
     
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  28. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Thank you. I got it.

    Would you like an ambiguous suggestion for next time?



    Smaller bow.
     
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  29. unluckyluciano

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    right. Just people portray that differently. Some may use the skills highlighted in the original post where as others may not have to.
     
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  30. MrClean

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    IMO, that is the truest sentence in this thread.
     
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  31. Fin D

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    Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaa
     
  32. unluckyluciano

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    Are you now denying the nfl is not part of the corporate world?
    What about the ncaa coaches?
    No idea what you are asking in your last question.
     
  33. muscle979

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    Please stop trying to tell me what the military is like. I do in fact know what the ASVAB is as I took the test before my eight years of service. The ASVAB is not a personality test it is an aptitude test. [Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery] It tells the military what jobs a person has the aptitude to learn. The Uniform Code of Military Justice actually demands that a service member not carry out an unlawful order. This of course means that one is required to consider [if only briefly] any order being given.
     
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  34. Fin D

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    Sure, I'm denying it. Whatever you say.

    Or, I'm saying the corporate world has different communication rules than a football field. Surely there's a better candidate on these boards to have semantics argument with.

    You said humans tend to lead like other humans. So does a coach lead like other coaches or a CEO?
     
  35. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Yes and no.

    Sweeping conclusions should be avoided. And Hard Knocks shouldn't be your primary source for truth about the Dolphins.

    But the OP was based on every interaction Philbin had in 3 episodes, and they all pointed towards the same conclusion.

    Unless Hard Knocks is trying to show Philbin at his worst, and including those interactions BECAUSE they showed Philbin as a poor communicator, then I think the conclusion is fair. If someone can read someone they can do it in 5 minutes.
     
  36. Desides

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    We can't really say how accurate Hard Knocks' representation and portrayal of Philbin is.

    That's the problem.
     
  37. His'nBeatYour'n

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    Again, yes and no.

    The OP wasn't reacting to the OCD Philbin is picking up every last piece of trash scene. He was reacting to raw, uncut minutes of Philbin social interactions.
     
  38. Alex13

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    i agree that his body language is not looking good, the rest i don't know
     
  39. djphinfan

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    Let's put it this way, all we have is what we've seen, and that's a he'll of a lot more than we're accumstomed to, (when we're not on hard knocks)... from what I've seen from the coach, I get where infiltrateib is coming from, I'm not sure how some interpret what they have seen thus far from Philbin as exactly what we need?, and how this style and man can be the leader of a team that has the mentalty to win a championship,? and I say that in the most respectful way, but if some have that kind of foresight when it comes personality and leadership that I don't, then I'm at least hoping their smarter than me, and can lay out this personality into a culture changing one.

    I mean sometimes I like the way he is, (especially tough on the practice field),and other times, I cringe.

    Where I stand right now, is thinking that this team hasn't done sh&$ to be able to say sh&$ when it comes to a new coaches standards, what they've been doing thus far has gotten them nowhere, so maybe they should just shut their mouths and listen, and respect the wishes of their new coach, or, ask for a trade so we can get something for your ***, So while I can see the angle of this style creating the order and discipline that was lacking, it's hard to understand whether players from all cultures and upbringings can collectively come together under it.
     
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  40. ToddPhin

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    How I perceived the quote unquote communication issue:
    Philbin wants it to be his way and his way only, and if it's not his way he doesn't seem like he'll give 2 ****s about what you have to say. IMO Philbin wasn't communicably approachable with Chad Johnson b/c he was likely disappointed about giving Johnson the opportunity to prove himself in Miami only to watch Chad let the organization down, and in the aftermath Philbin didn't care what Johnson had to say.

    I'd agree however that the interaction with the player management trio (Bush, Long, Dansby) was more closed off than it should've been. Those are the times where he should be more approachable in all regards ( posture, tone of voice, body language, facial expressions, etc).


    Overall, I get the impression coach Philbin has little tolerance for players who don't act or conduct themselves like the well paid professional adults he feels they should be, and considering where he came from I can understand why he would feel that way and expect that much from his players.


    Nice opening post by the way, Infiltrate. Thanks for the time and assessment.
     
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