They idea that the wide receivers are terrible and likely to lose us games and single-handedly make Ryan Tannehill non-viable(as was floated all off-season) is clearly ridiculous. It's basically people freaking out because they wouldn't draft any of our receivers for fantasy football. The receivers performed adequately as a unit, and Brian Hartline and Davone Bess were pretty good.
Like I said in a post earlier , fine isn't fine ... any married dude knows when she says fine , it isn't. The OL had good moments but also bad moments. 17 had a rough game , it was his first , lots of players had poor games that have been around a long time. That is on someone Pads, you know that.
But it fits with the theory that the GM and the talent on the roster are to blame for everything, so it's a viable explanation for how Tannehill will or will not perform. Everything reverts back to the talent on the roster and the GM.
I don't know, check back with me in a few weeks, Hartline didn't do to bad with what? 3 days of actual practice. And armstrong is new to the THill also. There is potential, but for the most part I can't say this wasn't expected.
I have , and sure you have as well . Contrary to how some feel we should rate , compare teams , I don't really care about the bottom third , I want to be in the top third , and higher. That a few teams have been as poor as Miami has for the stretch we have offers me no solace. It is only a few teams btw ... that doesn't make you happy either I am sure.
The concept of games being closer or further away than the score reflects is a pretty objective reality and something that can be argued factually. It all counts the same in the win or loss column, but there are degrees and it's a gross oversimplification to not consider that. Also when Owen Daniels is clearly well covered on a handful of plays, and catches the ball when someone releases him and zone coverage and no one picks him up, yeah, it's pretty ****ing clearly scheme. He "beat" Kevin Burnett all of once if I remember correctly, the rest he was wide open because no one was covering that area.
Performed well as a unit? The unit was one man who had 4 catches until Hartline had 3 catches in what was essentially garbage time. That's it for the "unit". That is not good in any rational sense. I'm not absolving Tanny of blame but he's a rookie and he has no help and it will hurt him. Did you see how easily Houston got big plays? Our two biggest were a screen pass to Thomas and Lane. Like I said, I appreciate your views and I'm sure you actually believe them, but they don't bear out in reality
More or less, this is why I want to develop playmakers over what we normally do..find some passable player. IMO THill is overmatched right now, that is fairly apparent.
You should make your argument if you've got one. I'm claiming the Dolphins receivers caught a solid % of well thrown passes, that Tannehill took very little, if any coverage sacks, and the check-downs he made for the most point were fruitful, and largely to blame because he's a rookie quarterback.
3 straight int's, or whatever it was, he was also off target as the game went on. Wr corps is not great and Clemons looked lost, otherwise, can't win with Qb play that poor. This is Qb development, enjoy it, you wanted it.
Well no, they didn't get big plays. They absolutely, positively did not. They averaged 5 yards a play to our 4.7. And they didn't do **** offensively when Miami didn't spot them the ball in Dolphins territory. It doesn't matter what I believe, it's what I can prove and what you can prove.
I might have. Then you made a silly blanket statement like the one I quoted and I lost interest in a debate that's obviously not based on any hard evidence but rather on putting people on one side of an imaginery fence.
So are overanalyzing and reality. Gee, isn't it fun to make generalized statements that sound fancy but aren't saying anything whatsoever?
You said we have a talent problem; I disagreed. I never said we're as talented as Houston, so stop with the childish straw arguments where you twist others words to create an argument against them. We're a much younger team than Houston; being a talented team doesn't mean you're a developed team b/c we obviously have a lot of players with untapped potential, especially at QB. Have you seen Andre Johnson vs the rest of the league? You make it seem like he's not a top 3 receiver. Have you seen JJ Watt vs the rest of the league? He's a high first round pick who will likely take over for for Justin Smith as the best 3-4 DE in the league. Outside of those freakish turnovers, we're looking at a close game considering we would've had more points on the board if we didn't have to go for it on 4th down in FG range on multiple occasions. Even a Texans fan is agreeing the game was closer than it looked outside of those 2 minutes.
What isn't saying anything whatsoever is blaming this team's issues on a lack of overall talent and the GM and supporting that with nothing objective.
I'm not complaining. Our record this year is meaningless to me. Finding out if Tanny can play is most important thing for this year. My complaints are as to the overall talent on the team
exactly. it's a lot easier to put up points when you're already in FG range, especially when the defense now has no idea what to expect as far as game plan. Those could've very well been punts if Houston didn't have a short field to work with.
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings but it's very difficult to take the idea you lost interest seriously when you're still posting in the thread and refusing to do something you claim is very easy.
Clearly you feel we don't have a talent issue . So is it just time we need to be a playoff team then? Next year we make the payoffs? Win a playoff game? The following year we are a final four team? Or is it a coaching issue? Not sure what it is you are saying is wrong then.
All due respect cause you are a heavyweight here but Sherman did the same thing as Henning did most of the time with his young QB. The running game is working but you just can't help yourself to force the passing game. It was evident today bro. That is where you get in trouble. Sherman got more into a cuteness factor and lost sight of development for a young QB in his first game. You have to stick with the veteran run support Bush was giving you and not be greedy. Once we went strayed from that things went south.
No, what isn't saying anything whatsoever is blaming this team's issues on anything but a talent problem without any objective support. I love how the people who keep on arguing that we lack talent are painted as totally out there, while the people who blame it on coaching, game planning, play calling and what not (you know, all the stuff that you can't quantify to any objective degree) are celebrating themselves as the sensible bunch. You can't win with Chris Clemons at FS? Get outta here, you nimwit! You can't win with Tony Sparano as HC? Well, duh!
Problem is, when the Qb plays that poorly the rest of the talent on the team cannot make up for that gap. Thigpen, Bush, even Hartline played fine, problem was the turnovers in our end of the field vs a high powered offense with a new defense, that is going to end poorly.
In 1998, the Colts with a rookie Peyton Manning went 3-13. The following year they went 13-3. What I've been getting at here is that if you want to say this team lacks talent, you probably ought to show that it's not the kind of improvement at quarterback (a 71 to a 91 QB rating) away from improving to the degree the Colts did from 1998 to 1999. After all, the team went 6-3 in its final nine games last year, when Matt Moore's QB rating was 97. That doesn't sound like a team with an overwhelming talent problem.
Now think about that, 3-3, 1st half is winding down, trying to move the ball and THill turned the ball over. Henning would have sat on the ball, Philbin is here to change that into an attacking offense, that is the purpose of all of this. Play to win not tie blah blah stuff.
Chris Clemons is just a guy out there and seems, to me without knowing the calls, late getting over to help. Troy Nolan the guy we picked up from the Texans had more picks in 2010 3 INT than CC has had in his career all of 1 in 41 games.
I think we have talent issue at certain positions, and I think we have talented players who need more experience to play to their talent level, but I do NOT think we're a team void of talent by any means. You realize what Tannehill alone could mean for the team when he develops compared to what he'll be like this year as a rookie? Ditto for Jon Martin who already looks significantly better than he did in preseason but still has a long way to go.
If the Dolphins don't turn the ball over like they did, it's pretty plausible that they win that game. Not a given by any means, but it would have very likely been a competitive game. They didn't turn the ball over because of "talent" issue, or at least none of them being cited. They turned the ball over because Tannehill has a low release, made a bad decision with the ball, and Daniel Thomas had the ball punched out. I don't think any of those are "talent" issues, they are significant problems and characteristic of those players, but if put that aside? It's not a blow-out. If you think the Dolphins are way less talented than the Texans on paper that's fine and awesome but it wasn't reflected in this game.
I blame the team's problems on a talent problem as well, the talent at quarterback. But that doesn't locate the entire problem in the lap of the GM, and I'm certainly not advocating getting rid of the GM when we have a quarterback to develop here. On the other hand, other folks seem to be believing we have overwhelming talent deficiencies throughout this roster, to the extent that Jeff Ireland is a laughingstock. This despite that the team went 6-3 in its final nine games last year with the quarterback who Jeff Ireland signed managing a 97 rating.
You find it difficult to understand that people don't particularly want to engage in a discussion with you after you threw a truckload of strawmen at the last guy who tried to made a point (not a very detailled one, but a point nevertheless)?
When you are getting over 5 yards a carry you stay with it. Before things came unglued there was plenty of time to be patient and balanced. Sherman played into their hands. They were frustrated and struggling against the run.
But it's far easier to look at the final score and tout it as evidence of a glaring talent deficiency throughout the roster. Forget about the particulars of the game. Just look at the final score and you'll see why we lost.
New Safeties were one of the issues we had coming into the yr, and CClemons did look slow out there, once again a new D takes time to learn. Nolan cannot know the D as of yet, so Clemons has a reprieve, if he does not turn it around he will sit. Never expected a fast start this yr, do think we have upgraded the physical talent on the team, but it is all quite young.
