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The Tannehill Report

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Lloyd Heilbrunn, Sep 9, 2012.

  1. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    As a dlineman you are taught if you can't get to the QB , you raise your arms and at times jump as well. MrC is correct in that short drops precipitate this more , so while 17 needs to improve this aspect ( as well as overall ) part of it is on other factors, imo.
     
  2. shouright

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    Defensive linemen are taught to watch the QB's drop and adjust their play accordingly. When the QB takes a three-step drop, it's less likely that they can sack him because the ball will be coming out very quickly, so they're taught to put up their arms to bat down the pass.

    This is nothing new and nothing specific to Houston or a team that's defending Tannehill.
     
  3. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Captain Checkdown. That's about the only thing I gathered from game one.
     
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  4. jsizzle

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    If that's all you gathered, I am guessing you didn't watch the game lmao.
     
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  5. Jt0323

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    I'm not talking about this game, I'm talking about the season. Tannehill has no targets. Ireland needed to get him something instead of getting rid of everyone and stocking up on draft picks. I rather have Marshall then chicagos 3rd any day. If you get rid of someone like that you need to replace him


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  6. padre31

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    Skittish when they went overload blitz, accuracy was kinda crappy as well.

    All in all a unflattering performance, but Luck was as bad, this comes with the deal I guess.
     
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  7. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    the scheme and the gameplan clearly had that in mind though. how deep can you go with Legadu Naanee and Davone Bess? We really don't know how much hartline was capable of so it's pretty unfair IMO to call him that IMO.
     
  8. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    It was only one game but I will say I was very underwhelmed by his performance. Especially with the two red zone trips that led to 0 points. Pathetic.
     
  9. Rocky Raccoon

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    That's what the game plan was. Quick drop backs and quick passes.
     
  10. slickj101

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    At least we didn't draft Weeden.
     
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  11. GMJohnson

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    Yeah because we had receivers running free down the field all day. Tannehill was just afraid to push the issue.


    Hilarious.
     
  12. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    LMAO. At least we didnt sign Mr. I Cant Beat Out Russell Wilson.

    And what happened to the "We want Orton" crowd?
     
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  13. Boik14

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    Folks this is the reality of having a rookie QB. None of us can tell what he will be in the future but this is why Ive been reminding some in my posts that only 4 QB's since 1950 have had 10 win seasons in their rookie year after starting from week 1. It just does not happen very frequently. A vet QB might get us to 6 wins instead of the 3-4 I think we will land at but such is life with a rebuilding franchise.
     
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  14. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    You can't read to much into a first performance. If wasn't great by any means, but it was not terrible either. What we have to look for is seasonal improvement, an upward swing. He has the year to do his best. If he fails badly we will be in position to try again, if he succeeds, hopefully we can get some real weaponry to help him out.
     
  15. Clipse

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    I definitely watched it. The entire thing. Checkdowns all game along. The one to a covered Fasano on 4th down without even going through progressions was particularly bad.
     
  16. Clipse

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    I'm not saying Tannehill is Captain Checkdown all the time. But in this game, he most certainly was.
     
  17. Clipse

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    Worst gameplan I've ever seen then.
     
  18. dolfan22

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    I think we win more than that but it is imo definitely a building year. As I said to Pads , tough to already be looking to next year for a potential playoff game , but c'est la vie , we are.
     
  19. ToddPhin

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    Do you contribute that to a Tannehill flaw or is it more due to the talented Texans defense sacking or pressuring him 15+ times?
     
  20. Clipse

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    Either Ireland sucks for the WR's. Sherman sucks for the pathetic gameplan. Or Tannehill was a captain checkdown. Considering not a single playcaller out there would have there QB checkdown to a covered Anthony Fasano on 4th down with 0 chance at picking up the 4th down as their first read without pressure, I think it's safe to say it had a lot more to do with Tannehill than people would want to admit.
     
  21. Clipse

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    I'd consider it an equal combination of pressure, gameplan/talentless WR's, and Tannehill being a rookie QB.
     
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  22. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    Tannehill has an issue with keeping the ball at around shoulder level when he throws. If he has an open passing lane, there is not really an issue with this throwing motion (except for balls floating on him), but unfortunately, passing lanes are not always there.

    Using a clock for reference, Tannehill began his throws from about the 9 o'clock position on just about EVERY throw I saw from him today. Now, on deeper throws, this is probably a more appropriate motion. Think about a mangonel catapult. Some of you might have seen them on those pumpkin toss contests on the Discovery channel (the mangonel is the one with the arm and bucket, not the sling and pouch, which is the trebuchet).

    The problem with this motion, especially on shorter-to-intermediate passes, is that the ball moves to the horizontal (which most thrown balls will do, but more so in his case), resulting in some passes being thrown high (or float) on these shorter throws (think the throw to Charles Clay that was inadvertently caught by Fasano). It is also an inefficient motion from a physics standpoint, because it takes quite a bit of stored energy to make that motion. This motion does not really transfer to the projectile efficiently. So in essence, he has to use more energy to put a certain amount of velocity on the ball. And this is just an observation, but he had his arm iced up pretty good in one of the preseason games. Does not necessarily mean much, but he may be working harder than he should with this motion.

    Forget the fact that defensive lineman can bat down the balls at the LOS, Tannehill had these issues at Texas A&M (just look at the footage). Against Carolina, he had 4 batted passes at the LOS. This is nothing new.

    A more appropriate throwing motion with these tall lineman would be from about the level of the top of the head or higher. The best in the business is Peyton Manning.

    Unfortunately, I am not sure that this is something that Tannehill can change so quickly. This is HIS natural throwing motion, and something he has probably done for a very long time. It could stem from a number of things as to why he uses this particular motion, but having smaller hands could be one of the natural reasons for not using a higher launch point. Controlling the ball from a higher launch point is much easier with larger hands. I cannot imagine that he has gone through high school and college without ONE coach pointing this out to him.

    And going back to the throwing motion and not being able to change it with any real effectiveness. Tim Tebow worked an entire offseason and deliberately tried to switch it without much success. I am not so sure that we will see much change in the motion. Philbin mentioned that the lineman need to do a better job at keeping their hands on the D-lineman they are against. Maybe this point has been made during practices to even the playing field in light of Tannehill's throwing motion? Just speculation with this, though.

    This is but one game, and while disappointed, he can improve. Let's see how the kid handles this.....
     
  23. alen1

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    I haven't watched the game yet, but if you watch that first Tannehill INT to Jonathan Joseph (why didn't they avoid him?), he was squatting on the route the entire way. This team's going to need somebody to get vertically.
     
  24. unifiedtheory

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    Everyone complaining bout Tannehill are the same people who either (a) would be screaming for Ireland's head if he had not drafted a quarterback or (b) want to stop gap it (Matt Moore etc) for the rest of eternity.

    This is the growing pains and agony of dealing with a rookie quarterback. There will be days like today, let's hope they get fewer and further between.
     
  25. alen1

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    Yes. Just like cornerbacks are taught to read upfield shoulder on 3 step.

    You have him practice going through multiple reads. :)
     
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  26. WhiteIbanez

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    Still doesn't fool anyone if he only takes one or two looks. The guys he will trust.
    The Javorski Lane play was a nice look. Hoped for more of that or rolling RT for some time and getting Fasano in the middle of the field.
    The running game was working and we had success there. Reggie was running well early. We went away from it.
     
  27. Sethdaddy8

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    I'd like to see more playcalls downfield. Then again, to who?
     
  28. alen1

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    It will if you teach him right. Take the snap, read the seam to ID the safeties, then go 1-2-3.
     
  29. GMJohnson

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    They were squatting for most of the game. Amstrong got a few guys to turn their hips at a reasonable distance and Bess can separate from just about anyone but he's not a threat to run by anyone. I thought Nannee did a horrible job of cutting off the DB on that play and I suspect thats why he was benched. Its going to be a long season with this WR group. I'm hoping you'll share your thoughts once youve seen the game on tape.
     
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  30. Mexphin

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    I would like to see RGIII against a good defense (Texans, Jets in example) before saying that.
     
  31. alen1

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    It didn't really matter who RG3 faced today; the Redskins gameplan was sublime. They understood how to use him and play it to his strengths. And some of the throws he made weren't really going to change whether he faced N.O. or HOU.
     
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  32. Mexphin

    Mexphin Well-Known Member

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    Agree
     
  33. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    And the oline to play better, just rewatched it and some glaring errors , the Bush fumble , the line parted in the middle like the red sea so Cushing had NO ONE to contend with , Long better be hurt because he didn't play well.
     
  34. Boik14

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    Doesnt hurt that the Redskins have Garcon, Fred Davis, Santana Moss...you know actual NFL weapons :lol:
     
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  35. Mexphin

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    I agree, he had a very good game today, what i meant is that one game is not enough to say he is going to be best QB taken in 2012. I would like to see him playing against better defensive teams before making such a statment.
     
  36. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Novel concept.
     
  37. Boik14

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    Only to Fireland.
     
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  38. CD13

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    Agree, I was able to handle yesterdays loss so much better realizing we broke the seal with Tannehill. Only red flag I have so far is the batted passes, they bothered me, but otherwise I thought we played pretty good. Running game might be better than people think.
     
  39. Razr

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    He did ok for his first start. At times I felt his throws were too early or just late. But the guy needs some recievers to throw the ball to.
     
  40. Larryfinfan

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    Wait, after one game it's a trend ??
     

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