Down by 20 and he makes a decent hit 5 yards downfield and he gets up shaking his head and running his mouth like he just stuffed the back at the line of scrimmage.
Yes, he's absolutely the new Crowder, as in he's a player who draws a baffling amount of criticism relative to the actual merits of his play.
He's much more talented than CC but a supposed defensive team leader should be pissed that they're getting hammered, not happy that he made a hit well down field.
I hate that showboating crap with a passion. Never understand a defensive player celebrating what I deem to be a basic, standard tackle and giving it the big celebration, especially when its downfield. 'Thats your job!!'
His showboating was ridiculous, considering they were getting blown out...and it wasn't really even a spectacular play. Like, if he had a crazy pick or a sack or something, sure, celebrate. But when tight ends are routinely running roughshod over you, don't celebrate tackling a running back five yards downfield. And the fishing thing he was doing seemed pretty stupid.
Totally agree that he shouldn't be doing that, but he's a far superior player to Crowder. I'd wager that Crowder was viewed by his peers as more of a leader than Dansby is though.
Just do your job? I'll never understand the fans who go to games, cheer every good play and boo every bad play, come home with no voice left, then they climb on their laptops and rant some more on twitter and on message boards. Don't they have jobs they should be doing instead? How fans can get so riled up just watching and following the game and team they love but not appreciate a player, who actually plays that game, getting riled up may just be the definition of hypocrisy.
I like it when the players get fired up and celebrate. I'd prefer they do it when they've actually produced a positive play, not a negative (or at best, neutral) one.
He was not our best linebacker yesterday..and I guess that is a deserved knock since he should be based on his contract.
Fans don't do jack ****! What's their excuse? Until NFL stadiums turn into audiences at Wimbledon, I think fans should STFU about players playing a passionate game passionately. If other players have a problem with it, that's a different case.
These kinds of threads always remind me of the old saying: "Now there's a haircut you can set your watch to".
I have no problem with showboating usually. But showboating during a blowout when you didn't even really make a play is pretty stupid.
Yup...but wait!? Someone will dig up some "numbers" and try to tell everyone how much we DONT know about football because Dansby is absolutely a top 5 LB in the NFL. Ironically its alot of the same group that refuses to admidt Jeff Ireland isnt worth a bucket of piss.
I'm thinking/hoping he's tongue in cheek but I have a hard time really believing who is joking or not anymore because there are so many amazing opinions being thrown around here recently.
I'm not sure I get your point. Should fans not comment on anything until they start contributing on the field? If that's your point then I disagree. I've also got no problem with passion on the field - but there's a difference between showing passion and inappropriate celebration.
As a Marshall and Vontae defender I could careless about Dansby always thought he was over payed wish he would of got traded instead but I doubt he's worth anything. Now I didn't expect him to do much week 1 since he didn't play in preseason. However he ran himself out of so many plays by taking the wrong lane it was embarrassing guy makes too much money to look like that.
At first I was like, Shut up Dansby. Then I thought maybe he's showing leadership. He really is over-paid and needs to start making game-changing plays, not simply tackling the ball carrier giving up 6 yards.
That was not my point at all. You know what I meant and what I didn't. Its hypocritical nonsense is all. Fans should be the first to understand an emotional investment in the game. But they don't. It's the guy making an *** of himself in the stands who is often the first to cite Barry Sanders just handing the ball to the ref as the model for how players should behave. "Act like you've been there before " I just find it hypocritical, because it is.
You saying he actually covered people? You mean all those guys he'd chase around were his assignment?
I love the "numbers" thing so much. Yes, let's be scornful of any objective, empirical measure, instead we can go with your gut and dubious authority. Who needs facts, or to "prove" "things" like the "truth", it's about how you feel. Also please tell me who called Karlos Dansby a top 5 LB
I've got no doubt that it's subjective, but I don't think it's irrational. To me, there's a massive difference between celebrating a good play and celebrating a mediocre one (especially when losing). If you don't agree, then cool, but I reacted negatively when I saw that. I don't see it as hypocrisy either.
Im not gonna name drop but if your so inclined do the research, it was said less than 2 weeks ago. And these FACTS, you speak of are often skewed to support ones belief. People who know football, people who watch football know Dansby is solid at best. His stat line isnt very convincing either, but somehow someway someone will find some PFF stat claiming Dansby is the best LB in divisional games away when the tempature is above 60 vs 2nd year Qbs....then acknowledge Karlos as an unsung hero and well worth the top 3 LB money he steals every week from our salary cap.
Fair. Just explain how it is rational that fans get to boo and cheer any and all plays, to whatever degree they wish. But that same fan holds player enthusiasm to a different standard? Why? Why? Why? Fans can cheer a nice tackle regardless of the score, and nobody bats an eye. But Dansby celebrates a tackle that HE made, and those same fans think they get to tell him how enthused he is allowed to be in that scenario. That is hypocrisy.
I gotta say this... I don't remember many, if any times where Zach Thomas was not our best linebacker. That is what Karlos Dansby should be. Not saying that he should be as good as Zach, but he damn sure should be our best and most consistent LB game in and out. he has not been. It's cause for concern, and IMO moves him off the "protected" list.
I can't speak for all fans, but in any sport I played (including football), I always got irritated with players on my team (or others) doing roughly the same as Dansby was doing. It just rubs me the wrong way - and that's why I don't think I'm being hypocritical. Even setting that to one side, the point with this play isn't that he's celebrating. It's that he's celebrating a mediocre/average/(insert adjective of choice) play while his team is heavily losing. Were nay fans cheering that tackle? Had he got up and been visibly angry that would have been fine by me. As I write this I think you're right. We're (I'm?) holding the players to a different standard than the fans. And I'm fine with that.
If you say so but these things tend to be questionable to say the least. And then if you think they are being used incorrectly, you have the ability to point this out, mention logical inconsistencies, etc. Who? That's uhh... Something? Karlos Dansby is a quite good linebacker whom you pay a premium for versatility. The Dolphins have undeniably overpaid for him, as he is being paid like a top 3(?) linebacker but is not one, but claiming that makes him a failure or a lesser player or a bad acquisition is wrong. By those standards virtually no big money free agents are successful. You rarely ever match contract level with ranked achievement.
We have lots more problems than Dansby to worry about, but he is not a top tier LB IMHO and I don't believe we have a top tier LB on our roster unless you count Wake there. We need to have a LB who is a driving force for our defense whether that be at MLB or OLB or wherever. I honestly feel like we have gotten rid of some linebackers over the years that are better than our linebacking core right now.