Then you're an irrational hypocrite. "As a fan I get to celebrate any play I wish. As a player you don't. In fact while I'm up here in the stands celebrating your play, if you start celebrating your own efforts, I'll stop celebrating and begin yelling to my friends how you shouldn't do that. It wasn't good enough for you to celebrate. Your joy for YOUR efforts is not allowed. Only I am allowed to enjoy your efforts from afar. You should play mad instead. If later, you make a better play, maybe we can all celebrate together. But check with me first. But don't check to see if I'm celebrating, I probably will be, because I'm allowed. I'm a fan, and you're just a player. "
All I've ever argued is he is not worth the $ and i think I'm right, it is a bad acquisition because we aren't getting even close to ROI. but I'll only have to piss and moan another 15 games, our new GM will undoubtedly cut ties with him.
Good point. Thing is, we fans pay good money specifically to make asses of ourselves in the stands. That's our role as fans. We are not expected to show any class. Quite the contrary. No hypocrisy involved. Football players, on the other hand, are paid to play football well. I think it shows class to just make a play, flick the ball to the ref, and not call attention to oneself. There is no rule, of course, that says a player has to have class. There are only concepts of sportsmanship that were formulated in English schools for children of the upper classes. Outmoded and inapplicable in our modern culture, I guess.
Players are paid to play, not to enjoy. Got it. If I make an *** of myself at home, and I didn't pay, am I doing it wrong?
Hell no. You're doing it perfectly. You and I got married so we could make asses of ourselves at home. Where you go wrong is that you think you don't pay. We pay plenty for the privilege, whether it's in cash or in self-respect. ;-)
The funny part of this to me, was the fact that he was celebrating, after making a routine tackle, AFTER his man in coverage beat him, got open, and made the catch.
Yes, this was basically my point, although I got sidetracked into an argument which I subsequently lost
Truth of the matter is that I'm a bit persuaded by His'n. A leader should be demonstrably happy when the sh*tstorm lets up a little bit, so as to give the team as a whole some positive reinforcement.
What a croc. "Numbers" can be manipulated to "prove" "things" like one's definition of "truth." It's done every day in every facet of politics, religion, business, law, so on and so forth multiplied by [insert your truthful number here]. Of course, I don't have any "numbers" to exhibit empirical measure hence, the aforestated- we all know to be true- cannot, in pont of fact, be true. But as this is the forum of the patron saint of paradox, such is a very well known phenomena.
You're completely abandoning half of your argument. Who are the people who know things about football that share your feelings on Dansby? Not if you actually know what you're talking about, you can't. If something is not true, even with statistics to support it there's evidence available to support it not actually being factual. It's not a paradox, it's not even confusing. If something is literally untrue, then it's possible to uncover that fact. And the context of football isn't exactly akin to particle physics. Throwing your hands up in the air and abandoning anything even remotely close to empiricism because you can't or won't deal with statistics is weak.
Peter: Most people on this board and every one who owns a pro bowl and All Pro vote. Dansby WAS a big name so its not like he is playing great football and flying under the radar.
This whole thread is stupid, and is a perfect example of why I need to pony up the dough for The Club. If you understood what was going on during said play you would realize he was celebrating an open field tackle. He was watching the middle of the field. He was not "burned" nor did he over overreact by celebrating. It was a nice open field tackle. I'm sure you all missed the play where he blew Foster up near the goal line too.
This is why Karlos Dansby being the new Channing Crowder is incredibly accurate. He's a player that people just make up dumb **** about. The Dolphins did arguably the most impressive job this week in terms of run defense(Giving up 2.4 YPC to the #2 run game of 2010/best RB duo in a game where they ran 35 times), and did so with their MLB completely just not knowing what the hell is going on. Against an offense that is fundamentally designed to take advantage of poorly disciplined second level defenders. Yup. That jibes.
Dansby did the same thing in Arizona. He had one decent season the year they went to the Superbowl,outside of that ? run of the mill normal LBer. Still amazes me we paid this guy what we did. Unreal.