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Stephen Ross expects to make the Playoff

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finserg, Sep 10, 2012.

  1. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    What did irish do? He was GM, what did he do? What do GM's do?

    Parcells was the VP of football ops, I think there is more to do than just handle personnel. GM? not sure about that.

    Yeah keep acting lik your assumption is the right one, and everyone else's is a witch-hunt atrocity against the irish.
     
  2. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    What is my assumption exactly? Do you even know? I doubt you do. But go ahead, enlighten me....what exactly is my opinion?
     
  3. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Its clear you think Irish is not responsible for the current roster.
     
  4. djphinfan

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    How do wanna go thru the next four months together, pissed off?, or trying to figure what we have, and what we need to become what we all want?

    I choose the latter, maybe it's a built in mechanism at this point..That's ok, I ain't goin nowhere, this is my team.

    Team played pretty good for most of the first half, but couldn't overcome Rookie qb errors, not to the degree for which those mistakes we're happening, I can't put it on them..They kept us in the game against a team that was playing well coming in, the game goes on the Qb, rookie or not.

    1) Tannehill didn't look good imo, he didn't look past his check downs all game, he didn't look confident, he didn't inspire any confidence, and most surprisingly lost his accuracy..As far as the tipped balls, that's on him, to me he's not being flexible with his upper body and arm platforms, he's not seeing the lanes quick enough to adjust those platforms to have a successful completion, he's simply releasing the ball and hoping it goes through..not good enough, he's a big strong robot at this point, who needs to remember the type of skillset he has..It's his rookie year so let's see how he responds from a very poor game..

    2) Sherman.. How in the freakin world do you have a athletic Qb and you don't use it to your advantage, when you know damn well his greatest strength is running while throwing..not one rollout, right or left, wtf?..Did you draft him to be Troy Aikman, or Steve young., Jesus man, the first play of the game should of moved the pocket, we've been talking about it all offseason, moving the damn pocket, especially with this oline,you and everyone else have been gushing about this players unique athletic traits, and you don't use them in your gameplan??, by moving the pocket and getting him on the run, you remind him what he has in his repertoire..cause it looked to me that the dude forgot that he can run when he wants..

    3)Reggie bush...Pay the man Ireland, extend him..it's obvious that he's good, your the one who signed his *** in the first place, I think the majority of us would like to continue with Reggie being our star running back..

    4) Ireland...two free agent periods, two drafts...you have til the end of the season for me, but at this point and time, I think the seat is hot, and your players are the only ones that can bail you out..they better start ballin out, Otherwise Philbin controls the fate of the Gm at the end of the year, which is quite unusual, but seems likley from what we've seen in terms of who's running the show.

    5) Jlane, we got ourselves a fullback who can catch the ball, and run the fu&$ over you....that's Sherman's boy, he made the call, can't really give Ireland credit there...he's 25 years old, so let's hope our staff has the intelligence to keep this player on the right track with his nutrition and training.
     
  5. Fin D

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    Its clear you pay as much attention as you do to fact...which is none.

    I said i don't know which parts he's responsible for or not and neither do you. i know the type of player he looked for after Parcells was different. I know last years draft was abysmal.

    Changing GMs is huge. Its bigger than changing coaches. Before we do it, I want to make sure we do it based on the correct info not because people like you are angry and irrational.

    And some how you crazies think I'm being irrational for that.
     
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  7. Sethdaddy8

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    Well then you continue to not "see" whats right in front of you. There's a clear time-line when Parcells handed over all control, and it wasn't yesterday. And the job has been so lousy since, it doesn't even matter who did what prior. Its a team game, team effort, in the front office as well as on the field. He was playing a part in all of what you see today, for the past 5 seasons. I don't care if it was the biggest part, or second biggest part. To argue such a moot point is ridiculous to me, and something "i dont see."
     
  8. jw3102

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    I seriously doubt that it was Philbin who told Ross that this was a playoff team. It seems more likely that Ireland saved his own behind after last season, by convincing Ross that there was plenty of talent on the team. Sparano and his coaching staff took all the blame and Ireland was able to keep his job for at least one more season.

    Until Ross actually hires someone who knows how to build a winning organization through the draft. I have to blame him for where this team is today. He owns the team and he is the person who decided that Ireland was not to blame at all, for the direction this team has been headed since, he became the teams majority owner over three years ago.

    My views on Ireland have been very clear for over two years. I just don't think he is a very good GM. I have come to the conclusion though that Ross is the real problem. He is the person who does the hiring and firing in the front office. Hopefully he is finally waking up to the fact that this team will never be a playoff team, as long as Ireland is making the personnel decisions for the football team.
     
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  9. Fin D

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    Its not ridiculous if just listen for a second instead of reacting. But that is too much to ask.

    If Ireland had to follow Parcells blueprint that could be the problem...the blueprint. I've said a 1000 times now that last years draft was horrendous and that is all ireland.
     
  10. djphinfan

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    I doubt Ross said this after it was public knowledge that RT would be the starter, if he did, I for one would like to see proof,because it's not good if he did.
     
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  11. Sethdaddy8

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    Oh the dreaded "big physical guy" blue print, that we don't know if he did or didn't follow. again, as far back as dallas, irish has publicly over ruled parcells. so blue print or not, he made calls on record.

    Now if you want to say, Irish was raised incompetently, and its not his fault, but Parcell's fault that he is not a god GM? Go right ahead.
     
  12. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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  13. ckparrothead

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    Why does the timing matter?

    Ryan Tannehill is supposedly starting because he's the best for the job, right? That's the reason Joe Philbin isn't making a Cam Cameron-like mistake. And Steve Ross wants very badly to win right now. He's tired of having a laughing stock for a team. One reason Ben Volin stayed so consistently on the Matt Moore wagon was because he knew that to be true. So to convince Ross to be OK with starting Tannehill they had to say he's the best. You heard them on Hard Knocks, when they were discussing everything internally. Tannehill deserved to be the starter. That was the discussion. He'd won the competition, and the rest of the team felt that way as well.

    So if Tannehill is the best man for the job why does Steve Ross have to change his viewpoint on the playoffs?
     
  14. Fin D

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    We do know he followed it. And yes he got what he wanted in Dallas a couple of times. He wasn't the GM then nor did he work for Parcells then.
     
  15. finserg

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    Lol thats what i thought ,i hope we really get this straighten out and come out with a winning record
     
  16. FanMarino

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    I think hes going to need Morphine before this season is done.
     
  17. Bpk

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    Because Moore underperformed their hopes compared to what they thought he might be capable of compared to last season.

    Because Tanehill was the best AFTER we lost a former Pro Bowl QB to injury and couldn't be sure he'd be ready or even physically hold up for the year.

    Sometimes expectations need to change when situations change.

    Now, if Moore had impressed the staff in camp and preseason, and Garrard had remained healthy and played well... And Tannehill had outperformed both to take the job, the you'd be right. It should have no downgrade impact on a playoff prediction.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    that's a good question, Two things, position was determined based on more than just who may of been better in the interim, but also what's best for the future and his development, lots of different variables to consider when naming a rookie qb the starter, Basically, you accept some of the sacrifices that you make in order to develop the prospect correctly and whats best for the future if the team, or,they made a mistake on where he is in his development based on practice.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    If Ross was really under the impression that Tannehill is the better qb in terms of wins, Then I blame the coaches for unrealistic expectations, and Ross for being gullible..
     
  20. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    My opinion is that Ross expects to make the playoffs because Jeff Ireland told him this team had enough talent to make the playoffs while he was trying to save his job at the end of last year.
     
  21. BuckeyeKing

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    He apparently got us the gem that was Pat white.
     
  22. PSG

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    I haven't been a Ross fan since the Harbaugh fiasco. And he has done nothing to change my opinion of him since then.
     
  23. krypto

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    NBA teams are built off of superstars. NFL teams are built off solid players.
     
  24. ckparrothead

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    What you're telling me is that in essence Ryan Tannehill is not the best quarterback for the job, that the Dolphins handed the job to a guy that did not win the job. Anything that doesn't admit that is trying to have your cake and eat it too. You can't talk about development and what's right for the team for the future and then still say Tannehill was the best man for the job in 2012. The coaches seemed pretty clear they thought Tannehill was the best man for the job in 2012, and when you boil it right down Ryan outperformed Matt Moore every step of the way, so they have some backing there.

    So again, why does Steve Ross have to change his outlook just because the quarterback he already thought could lead the team to the playoffs just got beat in camp by an even better quarterback? Shouldn't he actually revise his expectations UPWARD based on that development?
     
  25. ckparrothead

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    Which means that Jeff Ireland had not assembled the talent that Steve Ross thought he had assembled. A big part of his vote of confidence in Jeff was because he thought Jeff had assembled good players and that this team could make the playoffs, Matt Moore included. If that thesis is shown to be wrong, then Steve Ross' expectations are not changing because of Ryan Tannehill, they're changing because of Matt Moore. And those changing expectations are also a bad, bad sign for Jeff Ireland. It's like hey, my boss decided to keep me because of a certain hypothesis which just got proved wrong...uh oh.
     
  26. dolfan22

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    Does that also mean then that Super Bowl winners don't have superstars or elite players? Or that playoff teams only have solid players?

    What was the last team to win a Super Bowl without superstars ?
     
  27. Bpk

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    David Garrard was the best man for the job. An injury changed that.

    Matt Moore was expected to at least perform well in pre-season and challenge Tannehill. He flopped and thus Tannehill won the job by not LOSING the job.

    I think the expecations heading into camp were that whoever 'won' the job would do so by being better than two other good QBs, not by having one drop out of the competetion and the other disappoint. Obviously that has to affect overall expectations for the season.
     
  28. Bpk

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    Garrard is Ireland's trap-door argument. ESPECIALLY if he re-signs him later and Garrard helps us win a bunch of games.

    If Tanny does well, Ireland is fine. If not, I think Ireland needs to bring in Garrard and hope he wins a bunch so Ireland looks smart for having had Garrd in the first place.

    (Counter-Argument: why sign a guy with age and injury question-marks).

    It's really an uphill battle for Ireland to retain his job at this point, barring an overachieving season by this squad.
     
  29. VanDolPhan

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    I'm all for Ireland being canned. His skill position picks just doomed him. He's just plainly bad at finding playmakers.

    My only question now is...whose legitimally going to be avaliable for the GM spot.
     
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  30. Bpk

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    Canton Bulldogs.

    Wait. They had Arda Bowser. And Jim Thorpe. Nevermind.
     
  31. dolfan22

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    They had a city full of hall of famers though ;)
     
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